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muletrain

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Hello everyone. I am new to PS and the forum, and would like to know if anyone has had positive/negative experiences with Shenoa & Co. I have read the history of blogs about Shenoa, and they are spread out over a long period of time. Some are good and many are bad, but if you have any recient experiences, I would like to know, as I am thinking of buying something from them. Let me thank you all in advance for any advice you have.
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Do a search for "Shenoa" and many threads will come up. If you want to stay recent, focus on threads with dates from 2006 and 2005. There are plenty.
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And welcome to PS!
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Thnx Goddess.
 
There are a lot of views to this blog, but no-one is writing anything. Please give me some feedback on Shenoa & Co. I have done a search and read the +/- comments. If anybody has anything else to add, please let me know. Thanks again.
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I have not dealt with Shenoa, but I have read countless horror stories.

Are you planning on buying from their store, (in person), or over the internet? It has seemed as though the worst stories stemmed from internet and ebay transactions. People frequently received goods of lesser quality/size etc. through these transactions. After numerous returns, emails and phone calls, some of these "errors" were rectified.

The few positive things I have heard about Shenoa were from in-person transactions. However, there are numerous vendors (in the vicinity of Shenoa) where you can purchase beautiful jewelry at a good price AND have confidence in the transaction.

Plain and simple, there is no such thing as a "steal" in jewelry. If the price is absurdly low, you are unlikely to get what you expect.

My personal opinion? In the words of Monty Python... "Run Away!!" Having read SO many negative things on many different websites, I would never risk purchasing an important piece of jewelry from them, nor would I refer friends or family.

Good luck.
Munchkin

PS The fact that you titled your thread "Shenoa" is likely what has garnered all the views without posts. It has become almost a "buzzword" around here. Honestly, for regulars, Shenoa is almost synonymous with "horror story." I think people checked out of morbid curiousity, but had little to add. People here are pretty good about not replying if they don't feel they have anything significant to add. It works better that way if you are looking for sound advice!
 
I have to agree with munchkin on this one. Please buy from someone trusted on pricescope. If it seems to be too good to be true.........it usually is.

I don''t know this from personal experience, but every month or so on this site someone will write a bad review of shenoa and co. They typically receive a diamond ring that looks a little odd and they have it independently appraised. Almost always, the gemologist appraisal comes back with lower clarity, lower color, and lower carat weight than the appraisal from shenoa...they decide they want to exchange or return it...and the real fun begins. Usually, after many many unreturned phone calls and hassels, they might get their money back or a diamond of the quality they origionally wanted. It is a time consuming process to get their money back and they usually have to spend money doing it for gemologists, ebay fees, and even attorneys...bleh....not worth it!!
 
Thanks for the advice munchkin and kcour.. I was looking at their store on-line...sounds like a nightmare! Has anyone ever had any good experiences with Shenoa? It would be a good thing to know. Also, is it not illegal to advertise something that is not what it is? Thanks again everyone who has replied.
 
Shenoa, ebay store, 3 art deco diamond pave semi mounts only, no center stones:

1. Summer '05. Bad experience that went good: Setting was cast crooked. No way for jeweler to correct this flaw. Diamonds were beautifully cut and securely mounted. Returned setting to Shenoa for exchange. They responded w/ "We're sold out and we can't exchange it. What we shipped to you is the only one we have." I replied "So then, why are ya currently selling 3 of them on ebay? Suppose I tell ebay you're auctioning rings that ya don't have?"
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Replacement setting arrived in mail PDQ. But, it had already been set with a center stone that had been removed. Luckily my jeweler could adjust the prongs. Ring had not been worn, just a center set in it and then removed. Local jewel praised quailty & workmanship. Everybody's happy and that setting with my center stone is a show stopper.
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2. Fall '05. Art deco semi mount #2 arrived brand new and with no problems.

3. Jan. '06. Art deco semi mount #3 arrived brand new and with no problems.

The pave stones are very white and beautifully cut. I would not buy a center diamond or a complete ring from them, though. Their pricing on semi mounts seems to not follow any logical pattern, i.e. .25 ct is priced the same as .85 ct, kind of like a flat rate for anything sold on ebay.
 
Thanks AdaBeta.
 
Please allow me to again point out our 99.8% Positive Feedback score on eBay : http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=shenoa_and_co&iid=300004960074&ssPageName=VIP:feedback:2:us .

Shenoa & Co.'s brick and mortar store specializes in GIA Certified stones, and sells to customers, in person, face to face. Shenoa & Co.'s eBay store specializes in non Certified stones at huge discounts. Big bangs for small bucks, mail order. We have a certain percentage of customers that buy over the phone or internet, site unseen, who wish to exchange or upgrade their purchase, once they recieve the item. It is at this point that both the customer and our sales staff have a reference point (the item that they received) and are able to communicate easliy about the customer's needs; they want whiter, cleaner, bigger, smaller, ect., then the on that the have. It is then easily replaced with an item that they are happy with.

This is very common with mail order/internet sales. So please, when reviewing some of the posts on this site, please take in account the thousands of Positive Feedbacks that are posted on eBay, and, understand that although we try to make everyone happy, sometimes it is impossible to please all the people all the time.

Thanks,

Scott
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Scott, while you are correct that it is impossible to please everyone all the time...I wanted to point out what most people already know about eBay feedback. It''s unreliable. The reason is that really not many people will leave a negative feedback on a seller, and risk themselves getting one in return from the vendor.

Unfortunately, it seems like all of your unhappy customers seem to find PS...and complain and complain and complain. I have no idea of the actualy quality of your goods but it seems a little more serious than ''you can''t please everyone all the time'' based on what you can search and find on PS.
 
Check out his negative/neutral feedback on www.toolhaus.org. Cut and paste his ebay username in there. Notice he consistently blames the customer for his bad merchandise. Over and over and over he states "Local jeweler killed the sale." Fifty mutually withdrawn feedbacks is a very bad sign
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Also check out customers' feedback about him on http://www.diamondring.com/forums/search.php?searchid=618943http://www.diamondtalk.com. I remember over the years many horror stories, diamonds with much lower clarity and color than that advertised on ebay. He is one of the ebay scam artists, according to customers who have bought from him and had his diamonds appraised. Those who don't do their research or know much about diamonds are not wise enough to know this.
 
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How lucky are we to have found an idependant appraiser with a machine of which there are "only 30" of in the whole world ! The diamond grading system that we are familiar with is the use of a Master Set. Furthermore according to the customer, the appraiser removed the diamond from the setting, negating our ability to veryify if it is the diamond that we sent.

To me, it sounds like the cusotmer did what a lot of typical eBay buyers will do, which is take their purchase to the local jeweler, who then uses smoke and mirrors to try and kill the sale. In this particular case, the diamond was removed from the setting (voiding the return policy) by the "appraiser, possibly switched the stone, used a unreliable machine that is not the accepted standard in the industry ( needs to be calibrated regularly by the operator ), who then continued to knock the sale and make false libelous accusations.

The diamond that we sold was represented as an "I" and their appraiser called it and "L". If we are each off a grade that would make the diffence a grade of one ( I/J to K/L). These are not GIA Certified diamonds that we are selling on eBay and do not represent them as such. In fact, we do advertise that opinions of appraiser will vary by 25%.

The buyer at no time says how much money the ring was appraised for, nor doe she point out that after her fiance bought the ring on eBay, he then asked if he could use his girlfriend's old ring, that she had purchased from her in the past, as payment towards the new item, and we agreed.

This is all a lot for us to sort out; old ring that she purchased from us in 2004 and was happy with,
new ring boyfriend won and used girlfriends old ring to pay with,
"independant appraiser" who removes stone, uses "special rare machine" to grade diamond,
no one discusses clarity or value,
dispatches "under cover shopper".

Bottom line is we sell with and UNCONDITIONAL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE ! Don't Worry. Be Happy !
 
Date: 9/12/2006 3:38:32 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co

In this particular case, the diamond was removed from the setting (voiding the return policy) by the ''appraiser, possibly switched the stone, used a unreliable machine that is not the accepted standard in the industry ( needs to be calibrated regularly by the operator ), who then continued to knock the sale and make false libelous accusations.

i respect Shenoa''s right to void a return if the diamond is removed from the setting but to accuse an independant appraiser of switching the stone is just down right silly. Yes, I''m sure the appraiser will risk his career, his business and possible JAIL TIME to switch a stone
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My only hope is that more folks will try and educate themselves about diamonds before going to ebay. A GIA or AGS cert should be a must. The old saying holds true. You will always get what you pay for and if it''s seems too good to be true...it is....
 
I did not accuse anyone. I clearly said "possibly switched". I have never heard of a reputable independant appraiser removing a diamond from a setting to appraise it, especially the day after it was purchased, and the customer was deciding if they were going to keep it.

I also would recommend buying a diamond with a GIA Certificate, IF THE BUYER''S BUGET allows for it. Not every customer wants or can afford a Mercedes Benz, and is willing to make trade off''s to get the options that they want.
 
Date: 9/12/2006 3:38:32 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co

.... In this particular case, the diamond was removed from the setting (voiding the return policy) .....

.....Bottom line is we sell with and UNCONDITIONAL MONEY BACK GUARANTEE ! Don''t Worry. Be Happy !
sounds conditional to me.
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or maybe just the usual ebay seller antics.
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Date: 9/12/2006 3:38:32 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co
the appraiser removed the diamond from the setting, negating our ability to veryify if it is the diamond that we sent.
Are you kidding me? Even if the girdle isn''t inscribed, you can''t, say....plot the inclusions you see in the diamond against the grading report? Can''t take measurements to see if they match up to the report? How do any of us identify that our diamonds aren''t switched?
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Date: 9/12/2006 5:14:15 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co
I also would recommend buying a diamond with a GIA Certificate, IF THE BUYER''S BUGET allows for it. Not every customer wants or can afford a Mercedes Benz, and is willing to make trade off''s to get the options that they want.

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Hooray! I am wearing a stone graded by the Mercedes Benz of labs! Does this mean AGS is a Bentley?
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Date: 9/12/2006 5:14:15 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co
I did not accuse anyone. I clearly said 'possibly switched'. I have never heard of a reputable independant appraiser removing a diamond from a setting to appraise it, especially the day after it was purchased, and the customer was deciding if they were going to keep it.


I also would recommend buying a diamond with a GIA Certificate, IF THE BUYER'S BUGET allows for it. Not every customer wants or can afford a Mercedes Benz, and is willing to make trade off's to get the options that they want.

ok, poor wording I should have said "suggested" or put the thought out there....it's just not common and that suggestion of a possible switch is what I think is silly.

From what I've learned on this site and having had an independant appraiser look at my stone, most PREFER to see the stones out of the settings. you just cannot make completely accurate assessments when the stones are mounted. Obviously, the educated buyer will have the stone appraised before it's set but I can see how someone would purchase a ring complete that was represented as one thing and want to verify that it is what was sold to them. Hopefully for folks reading this thread they can learn the importance of having someone verify the stone before it's set and before it's purchased Cert or not.
 
Date: 9/12/2006 3:38:32 PM
Author: Shenoa_and_Co
The diamond that we sold was represented as an ''I'' and their appraiser called it and ''L''. If we are each off a grade that would make the diffence a grade of one ( I/J to K/L).
Sorry, missed this comment before. That''s a big IF. If you''re wrong, it''s still a difference of a grade of THREE.
 
Accuse the appraiser of switching the stone and then you don't have to answer for why you sell stones that are misrepresented.
 

I’ve seen Shenoa’s advertising. I’ve seen merchandise they’ve sold based on that advertising. I’ve even had customers who have returned things to them based on my appraisals and who have subsequently received a refund. That said, I find I must speak in defense of Shenoa here.


Their return policy is pretty clear, relatively reasonable, it’s included in most if not all of their advertisements and is prominently displayed on their website(s). The rule that the piece must be undamaged in order to be eligible for return is both common and entirely fair. An appraiser should NEVER remove a stone from the setting without specific permission and instruction from the client and a client who is considering returning a piece to the vendor should NEVER give this permission without understanding and complying with the return policy. If you want to examine a stone loose or have your appraiser examine it loose, talk to the seller about it first. It’s still their ring after all. Refusal may be a reason to avoid shopping there (or not, most stores would refuse this request on a piece that's already mounted), but in any case it’s not permission to damage their jewelry.


Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
I have no knowledge about Sheno''s ebay business, and I can imagine there can be problems buying a commodity like a diamond online, which is why I would not do it, but the fact remains there is a large market out there looking for diamonds and the online business is huge.

Having said that, I purchased my engagement ring from Shenoa''s store on 47th St in the Diamond District. I was treated with excellent service by their staff, they did NOT pressure me into buying anything, in fact they switched me to a bigger size diamond by .3 cts and moved me from VS1 to VS2 with no change in price which I really liked. They shipped the diamond to my apt in NJ (fully insured) the next day to save me the sales tax which also was significant.

My experience was excellent and I would refer anyone (and have) to the store as I feel they do an good job of taking care of the customer and are extremely knowledgable about their products. My experience was limited to the B&M store so that is obviously all I can comment about.

Vinny
 
There we go again
trashing ebay jewelry sellers. I bet that none of you ever sold full time on ebay. Every story that you know of is the one "you heard". You only hear one side of the story cause ebay diamond sellers too busy to respond to all these comments. As you can tell I''m a selletr myself and the only time i can find to write this is 01.00 in the morning. I sell to many different people and you have no idea who we dealing with. Of course its easy to critisize others. I read some "horror stories" and then i read your suggestions to the "victim". give me a break. Sometimes I buy online too. a month ago i bought a very expensive equipment. The seller described it as new. I paid over 2000 when I got it it wanst. I called him he said he had no idea but refused to give my money back. i talked to him once JUST ONCE. I didnt waste my breat and time on this person i called my amex and 48 hours later after i provided them with a tracking number that i shipped it back i had my money. that was it end of story. If you bought something and you didnt like it so let it go. Send it back get your refund. Before you buy check the feedback, policy and other details. If the seller doesnt want to give your money back settle it with credit card comp. Note to the "victims"...do not look for advice on pricescope forums as you only will get advice to buy from whiteflash or whatever the company called or other overpriced sellers online. ebay is a great place to buy and sell. all of you who do not trust ebay i suggest you open an account and buy a thing or two. it feels great. ANd please do not make statements about anybody based on words of others. I must go as I have 120,000,000 (number of registered ebay users) potential customers to serve tomorrow
 
Max, there are many great sellers on ebay. Hopefully you are one of them. However, I have seen so many people come here with horror stories about purchases that it''s really difficult not to try to tell people here looking for advice about the risks of ebay.
 
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