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I think that I know enough to make an informed decision about buying our next diamond just from researching and educating my self from book and online and such. Just as with every major purchase we make we educate ourselves on the product that we plan to purchase.

I think that you miss something about all these companies, they all went into business for one thing to make a living! They make money, if they do not make money they go broke. The real ? is is how much is too much. They base their prices on what the cosumer is willing to pay.

It is every ones obilgation to make sure that they make a informed desicion when they purchase, or it is buyer beware. It is sad but true, just as buying a car which to me is a harder purchase that any stone. Why would anyone do anything else, As for the ceritified diamonds I have seen it run both ways, just like anything certified it there is room for error.

I have purchased many stones for my wife, rings and other jewlery items, lots of things influenced my purchase, most of it was timing and money avaiable. And as age increases my purchases have become more informed. The one purchase that makes me think about this all is a purchase I made for her when she had our first child. I bought her a .75 carot solitare princess cut. At the time I puchased it, we really did not have the "extra money" to spend. So I bought one that had small inclusions. It has all the sparkle of a diamond, but you know what even though the quality of this stone is not up there she love it just the same because of why it was purchased. I also purchased it from the dirty word Zales. But it had fit me needs at the time.

Now that we are approaching our 15 year aniversary I am going to purchase the ring that she has always wanted. Ans because that we now have the monies to purchase what we want I am going to be more picky in the quality of the stones that make this up. We have been shopping and researching this purchase for some time now. Have been to all the "chains" and a bunch of private jewelers and have searched online. We have found that the range of stone that we require that almost all the businesses online or otherwise have the same price give or take the perks they may offer.

The ring that we are to have made will be a 3 stone ring with a min. 2 carot emeral cut stone in the center with 2 3/4 carot emerald cut to the left and right and baguettes going down the sides. the front and back of the ring is to have a design built in to it. which is undecided, the band is in the 2000 to 3000 and the mian stone is that we have priced here on this sight ranges 18k to 28k. The private jeweler that we have the estimate into now is at 20k GIA certified for the stone and 3k for the ring and smaller stones. our rereqirements on the stone for the center are E or F color and no higher than a VVS2 clarity.

I think that all this bantering about all the "chains" is nonsense, they are in the business to make money. If they can charge 1900 % markup and someone is willing to pay it so be it. I think that the online sites are in it to make money too. It really is up to the buyer to be informed and if he or she does not trust the Jewler they need to get a second opinion. I think that the site you have here is very informative, but to bash the chain stores is silly, I think that informing people like you do here is a better way to go around it, so they can make informed decisions on the purchase.

Thank you for a great site and it has helped me in my purchases in the past. But in the end it is my fault if I let a salesperson from any business give me a raw deal.
 

Hi,



I found this site because I am a researcher by nature, as did alot of others, I imagine. The folks here are diamond enthusiasts, and want the best diamond for their money, so naturally they are focused on vendors that provide this. I agree that, armed w/ the knowledge that research and sites like this provide, you can get a better deal at a brick & mortar store than your average unsuspecting consumer, but in my experience it is easier to deal w/ companies that want to help me in that search by providing as much information as possible rather than battling it out w/ stores that aren't as forthcoming and don't have the inventory in the quality of stones I'm interested in...



I find that any time I seek out information on a particular subject, I find a wonderful subset of zealots out there that have strong opinions, and extremely helpful information on that subject, from diamonds to drills to deck maintenance, and I take the info for what it's worth. For me, diamonds were something I was very interested in, and I found the advice here extremely helpful, for drills, well that's another story.... it's all about what you care about and where your priorities are.

 
Also, and more importantly, congratulations on 15 years! I am newly married, haven''t quite reached 1 yr yet, and I''m realizing that 15 yrs and such is no joke!

You are getting her the ring that she has always wanted, and that''s the goal, no matter where it''s from
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Hi Racoon, congratulations on the 15 years, and picking out the "ring of a lifetime".

There's no bashing of the mall stores in this post. They are operating at the price level they need in order to survive with the merchandise which best helps them to achieve that purpose.

The discriminating buyer, however, can do better. It's kind of like graduating from "starving artists" sales to fine galleries of established artists. Your tastes tend to elevate with age and knowledge, as does your pocketbook.

In the end, you are looking at making a major purchase from a non-naive position. This can save you thousands of dollars.

My congratulations at rising to the top of the heap.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 7:13:58 PM
Author: Richard Sherwood
The discriminating buyer, however, can do better. It''s kind of like graduating from ''starving artists'' sales to fine galleries of established artists. Your tastes tend to elevate with age and knowledge, as does your pocketbook.


With all due respect, Rich, that''s a terrible analogy. Starving artists are nothing like mall stores. Mall stores sell often low-quality merchandise, highly marked up, to make money so they can pay their overhead. Starving artists may (or may not) be less experienced, talented, and accomplished than their more successful counterparts, but many (most?) of them take their art very seriously. Many of them produce beautiful, thoughtful, innovative work. And many are as good as or better than the darlings of the art world. Think of Van Gogh, who was a starving artist all his life long, when paintings by men we''ve forgotten now sold for vast sums.
 
Congrats on 15 years racoon. I look forward to seeing the ring. For what it''s worth, we are all about helping the consumer get the best cut possible at the best price. Good luck in your search, please come back with pics!!
 
Glitterata-it''s like you read my mind! I was going to mention Van Gogh too. First one out of a slew that came to mind. It''s all good though Rich. LOL. Oh and congrats Racoon on your 15 years together! That''s awesome!
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Mrs.NotStarvingAnymore2Artists
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Although I do agree the bashing here is sometimes excessive, it DOES really help warn those of us who otherwise wouldn''t know any better. So many people do walk in to mall stores and get pressured into buying something of low quality that''s highly over-priced. Thanks to the knowledge I''ve soaked up here, I won''t be one of those people. I appreciate that! It doesn''t mean I''ll never walk into a chain jewelry store again, but I will definitely be more educated and prepared for it after being a member here.
 
Congrats on 15 btw! I didn''t mean to get so wrapped up in my PS preaching
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Date: 8/31/2008 4:54:14 PM
Author:Racoon
I think that I know enough to make an informed decision about buying our next diamond just from researching and educating my self from book and online and such. Just as with every major purchase we make we educate ourselves on the product that we plan to purchase.

I think that you miss something about all these companies, they all went into business for one thing to make a living! They make money, if they do not make money they go broke. The real ? is is how much is too much. They base their prices on what the cosumer is willing to pay.

It is every ones obilgation to make sure that they make a informed desicion when they purchase, or it is buyer beware. It is sad but true, just as buying a car which to me is a harder purchase that any stone. Why would anyone do anything else, As for the ceritified diamonds I have seen it run both ways, just like anything certified it there is room for error.

I have purchased many stones for my wife, rings and other jewlery items, lots of things influenced my purchase, most of it was timing and money avaiable. And as age increases my purchases have become more informed. The one purchase that makes me think about this all is a purchase I made for her when she had our first child. I bought her a .75 carot solitare princess cut. At the time I puchased it, we really did not have the ''extra money'' to spend. So I bought one that had small inclusions. It has all the sparkle of a diamond, but you know what even though the quality of this stone is not up there she love it just the same because of why it was purchased. I also purchased it from the dirty word Zales. But it had fit me needs at the time.

Now that we are approaching our 15 year aniversary I am going to purchase the ring that she has always wanted. Ans because that we now have the monies to purchase what we want I am going to be more picky in the quality of the stones that make this up. We have been shopping and researching this purchase for some time now. Have been to all the ''chains'' and a bunch of private jewelers and have searched online. We have found that the range of stone that we require that almost all the businesses online or otherwise have the same price give or take the perks they may offer.

The ring that we are to have made will be a 3 stone ring with a min. 2 carot emeral cut stone in the center with 2 3/4 carot emerald cut to the left and right and baguettes going down the sides. the front and back of the ring is to have a design built in to it. which is undecided, the band is in the 2000 to 3000 and the mian stone is that we have priced here on this sight ranges 18k to 28k. The private jeweler that we have the estimate into now is at 20k GIA certified for the stone and 3k for the ring and smaller stones. our rereqirements on the stone for the center are E or F color and no higher than a VVS2 clarity.

I think that all this bantering about all the ''chains'' is nonsense, they are in the business to make money. If they can charge 1900 % markup and someone is willing to pay it so be it. I think that the online sites are in it to make money too. It really is up to the buyer to be informed and if he or she does not trust the Jewler they need to get a second opinion. I think that the site you have here is very informative, but to bash the chain stores is silly, I think that informing people like you do here is a better way to go around it, so they can make informed decisions on the purchase.

Thank you for a great site and it has helped me in my purchases in the past. But in the end it is my fault if I let a salesperson from any business give me a raw deal.
While I do agree that a customer is expected to educate themselves,its is also the expectation that when a store opens its doors to the general public that they have hired honest employees with integrity and will train them to give the uninformed consumer good customer service, guildance, and basic education so they can spend their money wisely...this will create return business.I have worked for unpopular stores in the past and defended some of them against attacks on the forum(I can no longer defend Shane Co.because as a former employee I experianced first hand how poorly they treat their employees,they have un-usaully high turn over on a regular basis at the location I was at) and also agreed with some of those attacks of stores where the employee was misrepresenting quality or warrenties to the client.So all the bantering about chain stores are not nonsence when the conversation includes misrepresentation of stock,mark ups that are excessive,poor customer service relating to warrenty work or returns. These rip off situations do require harsh words of warning on the forum.
 
Date: 8/31/2008 9:32:03 PM
Author: glitterata

Date: 8/31/2008 7:13:58 PM
Author: Richard Sherwood
The discriminating buyer, however, can do better. It''s kind of like graduating from ''starving artists'' sales to fine galleries of established artists. Your tastes tend to elevate with age and knowledge, as does your pocketbook.


With all due respect, Rich, that''s a terrible analogy. Starving artists are nothing like mall stores. Mall stores sell often low-quality merchandise, highly marked up, to make money so they can pay their overhead. Starving artists may (or may not) be less experienced, talented, and accomplished than their more successful counterparts, but many (most?) of them take their art very seriously. Many of them produce beautiful, thoughtful, innovative work. And many are as good as or better than the darlings of the art world. Think of Van Gogh, who was a starving artist all his life long, when paintings by men we''ve forgotten now sold for vast sums.
LOL. Glitterata, Richard didn''t mean young artists who were starving (or unknown) for their art...he meant Starving Artists as in a well known "chain" of truly awful art that does shows in hotels and malls, and advertises in late night TV ads with loud screaming voices. They are mass produced "art" (and I use the term very loosely) done by painters who knock out several a day in mass quantities. Think typical motel art only much, much worse
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Date: 9/1/2008 2:19:05 PM
Author: purrfectpear
Date: 8/31/2008 9:32:03 PM

Author: glitterata


Date: 8/31/2008 7:13:58 PM

Author: Richard Sherwood

LOL. Glitterata, Richard didn''t mean young artists who were starving (or unknown) for their art...he meant Starving Artists as in a well known ''chain'' of truly awful art that does shows in hotels and malls, and advertises in late night TV ads with loud screaming voices. They are mass produced ''art'' (and I use the term very loosely) done by painters who knock out several a day in mass quantities. Think typical motel art only much, much worse
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Ha! Joke''s on me, then. I guess I don''t spend enough time watching late-night TV.
 
That is so funny I am laughing now. Seriously. Hilarious. And bless the hearts of those who make that stuff-perhaps they are merely potboilers under a different name to fund their real masterpieces!
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Or that they love doing them and they bring them great joy. To each his own.
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Don''t worry you were never in trouble Rich
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Mrs.2Artists
 
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