Seeking Advice! Round Brilliant 1.22 F VS1

[ggchamps]

Hi Forum Members,

I am liaising with a local diamond wholesaler that has recommended the following diamond (RB 1.22 F VS1 Triple Excellent). I have attached 3 images below - I would appreciate your thoughts on the images and whether there are any red flags I should be aware of.

For instance in the 3rd image, I noticed an unusual yellow patch in the north-east corner (e.g. 2 o'clock). There are no inclusions in that area of the diamond, hence my concern.

Thanks for your help.

 

[dneal12]

The yellow comes from the hearts not being perfect (a very hard thing to do). As you can see many of the hearts have a cleft, but overall the hearts look really good (just not perfection) and arrows look gorgeous and perfectly formed.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Hi Forum Members,

local diamond wholesaler >>>>> any red flags I should be aware of.

you mean retailer - unless you are buying loads of diamonds you are not buying wholesale.
You may be buying 'upstairs' but probably not wholesale.

 

[Gypsy]

Garry is right.

The image you posted is an arrows image and a hearts image. That's just patterning, they are not an idealscope image- which shows performance. Performance is what matters. Post an idealscope image.

Also please post:
Table
Depth
Crown Angle
Pavilion Angle.

Okay? You haven't posted enough information for us to tell you what you need to know.

 

[WinkHPD]

Hi Forum Members,

I am liaising with a local diamond wholesaler that has recommended the following diamond (RB 1.22 F VS1 Triple Excellent). I have attached 3 images below - I would appreciate your thoughts on the images and whether there are any red flags I should be aware of.

For instance in the 3rd image, I noticed an unusual yellow patch in the north-east corner (e.g. 2 o'clock). There are no inclusions in that area of the diamond, hence my concern.

Thanks for your help.

I hope that this is not being presented to you as a Hearts and Arrows cut diamond. As you can see, the hearts aren't. In addition to the clefts mentioned by dneal12 the left and right sides of the hearts appear to only be the same size in the heart at the 12 o'clock position, some of them, like the semi heart shaped one in the 9 o'clock position are dramatically mismatched from one half to the other.

As Garry said, when you buy, no matter from whom, you are buying a single diamond, and thus are a retail client. The "wholesaler" may indeed be a wholesaler when selling to a jeweler or another dealer, but when he sells to the public he is selling at retail, no matter the price he is charging, and is required to charge you sales tax if you are buying from him in a bricks and mortar location that is in a State with sales tax. If you are meeting him in his office in a State with sales tax, he is required by law to collect and submit the tax, unless you have a resale permit and are actually reselling that diamond.

Wink

P.S. I started this over three hours ago, I hope it is still pertinent. If not I will erase it quickly.

 

[ggchamps]

Thank you for your responses. I used the term "wholesaler" loosely which was not my intention.

Proportions for the diamond are:

Depth: 60.7%
Table: 59.0%
Crown Angle: 34.5
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick 3.5%

On the basis of the proportions above, what are your thoughts on the diamond? HCA score is 1.7.

 

[Todd Gray]

Thank you for your responses. I used the term "wholesaler" loosely which was not my intention.

Proportions for the diamond are:

Depth: 60.7%
Table: 59.0%
Crown Angle: 34.5
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick 3.5%

On the basis of the proportions above, what are your thoughts on the diamond? HCA score is 1.7.

The proportions of a diamond are only one piece of the puzzle, as indicated by Gypsy previously, you will also need an Ideal Scope and ASET scope image in order to get a more complete picture of the degree to which this diamond is leaking light (they all leak light to some degree) and how the diamond is making use of the light that is available to it, how evenly the light is being distributed throughout the diamond, etc.

The image of the diamond as seen through a hearts and arrows scope, proves that the diamond is not Hearts and Arrows, however it is not being represented as a "Hearts and Arrows diamond" (I looked it up and matched up the images) but rather a "GIA certified ideal cut diamond" which is something that I will discuss with the vendor, since the GIA does not actually certify anything. Based upon this, we know that the degree of optical precision is not excellent, but that is to be expected from GIA Excellent cut diamonds that are not specifically cut to exhibit a crisp and complete pattern of hearts and arrows.

Suffice to say that "ideal cut diamonds" are produced to different levels of quality, and different proportions, with the understanding that everybody sees a diamond differently, and has a different idea of what a diamond should look like... some people prefer a diamond that exhibits a virtual balance of brilliance and dispersion, other people prefer diamonds that are more brilliant, or more fiery; and others prefer diamonds that exhibit broad spectrum sparkle, while others prefer diamonds that exhibit smaller, pin-fire type sparkle; the trick is to know what your preference is, and then buy accordingly.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think you can do better in terms of cut...well, I know you can. But two questions..

What is the price? We can show you price comps.

Do they offer an unconditional return policy and for how long? If they don't, run. Honest vendors give return policies for any reason.

 

[ggchamps]

Yes, they do offer a return policy (however they require a 50% deposit to ship it into a non-US location which is fully refundable upon viewing the diamond in person and deciding that you do not wish to purchase)

Rrice is USD $12,500

 

[WinkHPD]

Thank you for your responses. I used the term "wholesaler" loosely which was not my intention.

Proportions for the diamond are:

Depth: 60.7%
Table: 59.0%
Crown Angle: 34.5
Crown Height: 14.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick 3.5%

On the basis of the proportions above, what are your thoughts on the diamond? HCA score is 1.7.

It should be fairly pretty, it scores a predicted AGS 1 light performance grade (NOT IDEAL) in the Diamcalc software and the stone is available for $10,030 wire transfer price on line. You might want to ask your "buddy" to at least meet the price that anyone who wants to can buy that diamond for online.

Wink