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ucbruin83

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All,

I am brand new to this forum and seeking your advice. I am about to pull the trigger on the following diamond:
GIA Certified
1.33 Carat Round Brilliant
Excellent Cut, Excellent Symmetry, Excellent Polish
F color
VS2 Clarity
No Flourescence
Table: 57%
Depth: 61.9%
Crown Angle: 35.0
Crown Height 15%
Pavillion Angle: 41.0
Pavillion Depth: 43.5%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Halr: 80%
GIrdle: Medium, Faceted (3.5%)
Cutlet: None

I am getting this from a friend's jeweler and the price is 13k. Is this a good diamond and am I getting a good deal? They are also setting this on a classic 6 prong tiffany setting in platinum for $500.

Appreciate your feedback.
 
There isn't enough information to tell you whether it's a nice performing diamond. HCA is a rejection tool, most PSer suggest that you gather more information for stones that score under 2, meaning they are likely good performers and reject stones scoring over 2. yours scores a 2.4 on the HCA which technically would be a fail, but GIA rounds its measurements and HCA is harsh on steeper pavilion angles, so I think that you should ask for an idealscope or aset image. Can the vendor offer you these? They can be purchased online for under $50.http://www.ideal-scope.com/?Ref=pricescope

The diamonds price seems in line with other online vendors.

edit: you could also ask for a sarin or helium report to get more accurate measurements of the stone.
 
Thanks for your input... sounds like I should maybe keep looking. It also looks like I would have to downsize a little bit to get a more perfectly cut diamond if my budget is around 13-14k.
 
There is not necessarily anything wrong with that diamond. We just know that some GIA Excellents are better than others. Unless you want to order from a PS vendor, you are unlikely to find one who will provide you with an idealscope image, etc. I have a diamond with similar measurements to those and it has AGS ideal light performance, so it is quite possible the stone is just fine.

One more thing. When you look at the specs, always look at the diameter measurements. Depending on the depth, some stones have a larger face-up appearance than others. We discourage people from buying stones that appear smaller than their carat weight would usually suggest. I am sure this diamond will be fine in diameter, but you left off the diameter measurements above.
 
No, I'm sorry, I wasn't implying that this wasn't a beautiful diamond. But as DS said, it's difficult to say without seeing it, or having more accurate measurements and images. GIA has a very wide range of what it considers an excellent cut, many feel that the range is too wide, especially compared to what AGS considers an idea cut. I recently purchased a 1.2 RB that GIA graded as a VG cut, but when I received the sarin report, the measurements actually qualified it as an AGS ideal candidate, and it's a gorgeous diamond, so you just never know. :wink2: I would NOT suggest though that you consider anything but GIA or AGS excellent or ideal cuts. When I purchased mine I had a lot of hand holding from the experts here and knew that I was taking a risk, specifically because I was buying blind with only HCA, IS and sarin reports to guide me. I would really recommend spending the money on an idealscope if you're going to be shopping locally. It will really help ease your mind. At one time I thought that it was much easier to shop in person because I could see the diamonds first hand, however I've come to really appreciate all the tools available when shopping online, they are super helpful for a novice diamond buyer.

ETA I also wanted to mention that you will be able to purchase more weight if you go down a bit in color. You're paying a large premium purchasing a colorless stone, and will unlikely be able to distinguish it from a G or H once the diamond was set. Diamonds are graded for color face down on a flat white background and then compared to a master set of stones. When you remove the flat white background and turn the diamond face up, it's very difficult to tell one color grade from the next and the savings can be HUGE! Everyone has their own sweet spot, but for me it would be an H VS2 because it would be very very difficult to tell that it wasn't colorless or flawless once the stone was set, and it buys me more weight! :naughty:
 
ucbruin83|1339078357|3211155 said:
Thanks for your input... sounds like I should maybe keep looking. It also looks like I would have to downsize a little bit to get a more perfectly cut diamond if my budget is around 13-14k.
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That's not true. That budget of yours is plenty to get a stone in that range that's slightly better cut. The stone in question may not be bad at all-visually- but according to the HCA tool, as Christina pointed out, some may pass on the stone simply because it scores over 2.0. However, that "tool" does not take everything into account about that stone. The stone in question may be very beautiful, but only you and your eyes know cuz only you have seen it.

You can get super technical and get a stone that scores better on the HCA, but will it perform better visually to a point you'll actually notice? :confused:

I think the price they're giving you is fair, IMO.
 
Wow... thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it. BTW here are the measurements that I left out:

7.03 - 7.07 x 4.37mm... is that on par for a 1.33 carat diamond?
 
and if you dropped to an H...
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2763641.htm

I'm not sure if you can see the PS price but it would be $13.5, and this stone and the one that DS posted are super idea cuts. There was recently a thread about whether or not the average consumer can visually see the difference between an ideal cut and a super ideal cut, some can, some cant'. We can show you some other nice options as well. Are you opposed to buying online with a reputable vendor?
 
ucbruin83|1339082962|3211198 said:
Wow... thanks for all the feedback guys. Really appreciate it. BTW here are the measurements that I left out:

7.03 - 7.07 x 4.37mm... is that on par for a 1.33 carat diamond?
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yes, those are fine. A 1.25 is approx 7mm, and there is slight variation based on the depth and girdle. Stones that fall well below the expected diameter are a quick sign that the cut is poor. Often cutters will hide weight in the girdle or the depth of the diamond, and you don't want to pay for weight that you can't see.
 
not opposed to buying from a reputable online retailer if I am able to find the right diamond for the price...

I guess my next question is whether to sacrifice color (going from F to an H) to get a super ideal rather than ideal cut diamond... it seems that what I am looking at based on the diamond you posted compared to the one at my friends store.
 
I think it's important to consider that ACA is a brand, so you will be paying more for the ACA name, is that important to you? It ensures that you are buying a beautiful diamond, but with some guidance we can ensure that for you anyway. Let me pull up some nice non-ACAs for you, both F and lower in color and go from there. How do you feel about flourescence? Some people love it and think it's a really cool characteristic of a diamond, others prefer not to have a stone with it, I think mostly because they don't understand how it affects or doesn't affect the appearance of the diamond. It's preference, do you have one? Purchasing a stone with flourescence can also lower the price of the stone.

Let me find some comps for you..
 
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2674676.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2680533.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2777302.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2782663.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2787736.htm


http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.308-f-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104054185003
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.338-h-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104055873010
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.346-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104055078004
unfortunately there wasn't a large selection in the 'blue' line so I pulled this I color, I wouldn't go lower than an I but with the strong blue,it will likely appear whiter to your eye especially in flourescent lighting, and it's 1.5cts. :love: and under budget :love: :love: I personally have no problem with an I, but again, it depends on color sensitivity.
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.517-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104059065031


The last whiteflash option is the same as the one that DS linked for you. There wasn't an F in the expert selection to compare price, but hopefully this will give you some idea of the price difference between the two, and the range of color and clarity vs. price
 
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