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climbman

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Thanks to many who have responded to all kinds of questions from me over the past month! I consider myself an infinitely more savvy diamond purchaser now. I am leaning toward buying from one of the famous, high-end stores from which I get an employee discount. Here are my considerations:

(1) 1.28 E VS2 RB
XXX, Depth 60.9%, Table 57%, Pav angle 40.7, Crown angle 34.9
6.99 - 7.03 X 4.27mm
Girdle Medium (faceted), Lower half length 80%, Star length 50%
Culet None, No Fluor, Pav Depth 42.8%, Crown Height 15.3%
HCA: 1.2 (TIC) Ex Ex Ex Vg
ACA: Class 1A except crown angle (1B), and 1A overall

(2) 1.34 F VS2 RB, -$500 or so vs. (1)
XXX, Depth 62.5%, Table 57%, Pav angle 41.0, Crown angle 35.2
7.03 - 7.06 X 4.40mm
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick (faceted), Lower half length 80%, Star length 50%
Culet None, No Fluor, Pav Depth 43.4%, Crown Height 15.5%
HCA: 3.1 (TIC) Vg Vg Vg Vg
ACA: Class 1B overall

(3) 1.27 D VS1 from BGD (for now I omit the images, since I have none for (1) and (2) to compare against)
AGS 000, Depth 61.5%, Table 55.8%, Pav angle 40.8, Crown angle 34.7
6.97 - 7.01 X 4.29mm
Girdle Thin to Medium (faceted), Lower half length 78%, Star length 53%
Culet Pointed, Fluor Negligible, Pav Depth 43.0%, Crown Height 15.3%
HCA: 1.4 (TIC) Ex Ex Ex Vg
ACA: Class 1A in all categories

Despite no imagery (nor will any be provided) for (1) and (2), the stats on (1) all seem very safe to me. I worked very hard to find a diamond in the inventory with such exacting cut proportions. I intend to have my final purchase independently appraised, so if anything surprising emerges (e.g. leakage), I have a reasonable return period on any of these. The setting will solitaire platinum for all 3 (though (1) and (2) are already set).

Cut comments:
I''ve seen (1) and (2) in person, but not (3). I recognize that (2) is a bit on the steep/deep side. But as a point of comparison, (1) had a "deeper" look to me, in the sense that it was face up every so slightly darker (not in terms of less light, necessarily, just a sense that I could see deeper into the diamond). Does this make any sense? I know that (2) is probably less desirable than (1), but I included it to try and explain what I was seeing with my eyes and to see if it made any sense. Also, I find that both (1) and (2) look fantastic with my eyes, and I preferred them both over a 1.33 G VS1 with an HCA score of 2.

Pricing comments:
While I think the mark-up for BGD is one of the higher for online vendors (and probably well worth it: not at all a criticism, just an observation on my part), it is still marked-up a tiny bit less than (1) and (2) are. Nevertheless, the cost of (3) is definitely higher than the cost of (1). However, the employee discount makes (1) and (2) quite competitive, and the benefit of the name recognition and service is definitely a consideration.

Color / Clarity comments:
As a side comment, the sales guy I have worked with for (1) and (2) is a trained gemologist whom I trust. He feels that (1) is a solid E and that (2) is a strong F borderline E (as best as he could gauge in the setting). He believes that both are strong VS2 grades and (2) could possibly be considered a VS1 (cloud instead of white crystal, slightly less pronounced). I have seen (1) and (2) under a microscope, and they are absolutely eye clean from any angle, distance with my eyes.

I know I am being a bit cryptic, but I really value any and all feedback. I am finally at the end of the road, and would like to make a purchase in the next few days.
 
It''s interesting that no one has an opinion... If I mentioned the company that diamonds (1) and (2) are from, I suspect the opinions would come pouring in.
 
Date: 8/20/2009 4:02:02 PM
Author: climbman
It''s interesting that no one has an opinion... If I mentioned the company that diamonds (1) and (2) are from, I suspect the opinions would come pouring in.
1 and 3 are the ones that I would be most interested in.
 
Thanks for the reply. This much I really know already from the numbers. I guess I am wondering if my description of (1) as looking "deeper" or "fuller" than (2) makes sense?

Also, would you feel comfortable purchasing (1) with its stats without any images? I have seen (1), which is most important, but in order to avoid any issues, I tried to give an explanation of what I could see with my eyes. Does it even make sense? Should I find its appearance comforting or not?
 
I think I would rate them 3, 1, 2 in order of preference, although I''d have to see them in person and they all sound great!
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After you choose will you reveal your sources?
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Date: 8/20/2009 4:02:02 PM
Author: climbman
It''s interesting that no one has an opinion... If I mentioned the company that diamonds (1) and (2) are from, I suspect the opinions would come pouring in.
Have some patience. Half an hour is not that long to wait in mid afternoon--mornings and late afternoon are busier times on PS.

As far as the diamonds, you are correct, the numbers on 1 are very safe and 2 is borderline steep/deep. With respect to their performance, how many lighting environments did you compare them in? Under strong direct lighting, a leaky steep/deep could look better than an ideal cut stone. Put them in everyday lighting and they may appear different. The benefit of a truly well cut stone is that it will perform well in all lighting situations, not just some. The numbers on 2 are really not that bad and if tightly cut with minimal variations, could be a very nice stone, only someone looking at it in person can make that determination.

Just from a numbers perspective, I''m with Lorelei on 1 & 3, but we are not looking at the stones or even images, you are. Go with what you like best, just make sure to view them is as many lighting environments as you can, including diffused daylight, office/flourescent lighting and low light.
 
Date: 8/20/2009 4:13:17 PM
Author: climbman
Thanks for the reply. This much I really know already from the numbers. I guess I am wondering if my description of (1) as looking ''deeper'' or ''fuller'' than (2) makes sense?


Also, would you feel comfortable purchasing (1) with its stats without any images? I have seen (1), which is most important, but in order to avoid any issues, I tried to give an explanation of what I could see with my eyes. Does it even make sense? Should I find its appearance comforting or not?

I think I know what you are talking about -- the sense that you can see into the diamond in a 3-dimensional way? It''s not that the diamond has dark patches or goes dead, right? Just a sense of depth?
 
Yes, exactly: not going dead. It just has a deeper look to it. That was under strong spot-lighting in a store. I guess this is normal? It is my best way of describing (1) from (2). Unfortunately, I have no way to see (3).
 
I love the feeling of a deep stone. Like you could fall into it. That''s why I love step cuts so much.
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Hopefully you can compare all 3 side by side? Otherwise I''d go with my gut.
 
jet2ks - Sorry if I seemed impatient. This was not my intention at all! I was merely thinking about how heated a few of the conversations get about brands, and hence I was trying to make a tongue-in-cheek remark. Sorry if it was off-base, which I guess it was.

I viewed (1) & (2) in strong spot lighting (jewelery store), and briefly outside in the sun light (late in the day). I thought both looked great, but (1) slightly "fuller/deeper".

Image-wise: I just don''t have apples-to-apples to compare. BGD (3) gave IS, ASET, but I cannot see it in person. For (1) and (2) no computer images, but I can see in person. As such, I''m not sure there is any more useful information to share.

I trust the store providing (1) and (2), but they do not cut to the AGS 0 proportions as a rule of thumb. I had to do some work to find that, and in the end, I''m not sure it much matters, since both (1) and (2) look great but (1) in principle should be "better." Maybe it is the limitations of my eyes, or human eyes in general.
 
Antique: Thanks for the thoughts. It''s hard to have an instinct for (3), which I cannot see (unless I purchase).
 
Date: 8/20/2009 4:34:35 PM
Author: climbman
Yes, exactly: not going dead. It just has a deeper look to it. That was under strong spot-lighting in a store. I guess this is normal? It is my best way of describing (1) from (2). Unfortunately, I have no way to see (3).

Yes, I think it is normal. I have an AGS0 and it has a 3-D look to it at times. It is more noticeable in some lights, especially fluorescent or diffused light where I can see more of the "architecture" of the cut. In other lighting the sparkle and fire take over, and the structure of the stone is hidden.
 
I''m not very knowledgable about Brian''s policies, but I would think he would agree to send it to you for evaluation/viewing in person. It can''t hurt to ask.

Good luck with choosing!!
 
Date: 8/20/2009 4:34:35 PM
Author: climbman
Yes, exactly: not going dead. It just has a deeper look to it. That was under strong spot-lighting in a store. I guess this is normal? It is my best way of describing (1) from (2). Unfortunately, I have no way to see (3).

Can't comment on #3 since you have revealed the source but according to what you've said it totally makes sense. Steeper/deeper combos take on a lighter body appearance in spot lighting environments. The lighting you've currently observed these under. The more "ideal" angles of #1 will generally result in that deeper or darker body appearance but you will however get great fire out of it in exchange. You will also get fairly comparable fire out of #2, perhaps not as much in a critical exam but you do get that lighter body appearance which some people prefer *in that lighting*.

In either case I'd want to examine *both* side by side NOT in spot lighting but moreso in diffuse/office or ambient natural lighting. It's important to view diamonds in both types to examine the optical characteristics of brightness/contrast as well as fire/sparkle but I would personally place a heavier emphasis on the diffuse light view since people spend most of their time in that lighting environment.

After cut you would then want to ensure optics are not compromised in certain lighting due to gem features or that inclusions are not breaking the surface and are open in sensitive areas compromising structural durability.

Good luck in your quest.
 
Is this an engagement ring? Because if you work for Tiffany's/Cartier's/Harry Winston's/etc. and bring her a ring NOT from that store, isn't she going to be a little disappointed, even if the one you offer her is just as beautiful?

Unless you or she dislikes your employer or their merchandise, or you think she would genuinely love and prefer something unavailable there, I think you should choose whichever of the two rings at your employer's shop your eye prefers.

If you're unhappy at your job and have bad associations with it, that's another matter, I guess.
 
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