Round diamond selecting, which one do you think the best?

[Unknown]

Question for my sis, she is looking for a round diamond and narrow down to 3.
he vendor doesn't provide aset images, confirmed all are eye-clean, their defination of eye-clean is <"Eye clean" means that a layperson examining the diamond face-up from a distance of six to eight inches would not be able to see any inclusions, but it is not a guarantee that no inclusions would ever be visible no matter how closely you scrutinized the diamond. If you want assurance that the diamond's inclusions would never be visible no matter closely examined, I would recommend choosing a diamond with at least VS2 clarity.>
She decides to give a try, which one should she choose? Do need you guys opinions

Diamond-1
$7087

 

[Unknown]

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Diamond 2--------$7198

 

[Unknown]

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Diamond-3 ----- $6600

 

[stone-cold11]

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Personal preference is 1, 3 then 2.

From the numbers, 1 is most balance cut, 3 is a nice 60/60 cut, 2 is nice too but with the shallowest crown. Shallower crown usually take a hit in the fire performance department compared to the more balance cut like 1.

 

[Unknown]

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Thanks, stone-cold11
Any commEnts on inclusions? Paper said ***** are not shown. What does it mean? More inclusions didn't show, would be worse?
Edited: 2,3 are MB, does it reduce light performance?

 

[stone-cold11]

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MB fluor should not matter in most situation, difficult to see unless in area with UV light source. Might have a very small chance of it being an over-blue where it will turn milky/oily in the sun, so ask about that to make sure it is not one of those if you are not looking for those.

The comments are fine as long as they do not have grade setting 'inclusion' not shown. As the grades were SI1, these not shown inclusions are VS2 or better and not likely to be anything major to affect light performance or durability.

 

[motherof3inct]

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Hi Stone Cold - Would you consider diamond #2 a flat top stone? Thanks, motherof3inct

 

[stone-cold11]

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Shallower, not flat.

 

[goodgal]

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What is a flat top stone?

 

[kenny]

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All 3 pass the HCA with scores under 2.0. https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca





Next step is to get Idealscope pics. https://www.pricescope.com/tools/ideal-scope

Post them here or compare them to this reference chart:

 

[diamondseeker2006]

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The second one is a little larger than the other two, and that is a plus for that one. Diamond 1 seems to have the measurements we see most often in ideal cuts. But the ultimate decision for me might be based on which one is cleanest even closer than 8 inches.

 

[Unknown]

Re: Round diamond selecting, which one do you think the best

MB fluor should not matter in most situation, difficult to see unless in area with UV light source. Might have a very small chance of it being an over-blue where it will turn milky/oily in the sun, so ask about that to make sure it is not one of those if you are not looking for those.

The comments are fine as long as they do not have grade setting 'inclusion' not shown. As the grades were SI1, these not shown inclusions are VS2 or better and not likely to be anything major to affect light performance or durability.

Thank you so much. stone-cold11.
for #2, would a shadower stone be darker in daylight?

 

[Unknown]

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All 3 pass the HCA with scores under 2.0. https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca
Post them here or compare them to this reference chart:

Thanks Kenny, the interesting thing is second shadower stone got the highest score.

 

[Unknown]

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The second one is a little larger than the other two, and that is a plus for that one. Diamond 1 seems to have the measurements we see most often in ideal cuts. But the ultimate decision for me might be based on which one is cleanest even closer than 8 inches.

exactly! DS
That's what my sis and I concern about the most,unfortunately, vender said those diamonds hold for different jewellers, no way to compare.
I guess #1 would be safer since most of inclusions are not under the table, What do you think?

 

[yrrp3738]

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I Voted for #1.

 

[ormosporter]

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I voted #2.

 

[Unknown]

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Update: narrowed down to #1 and #2; #3 has a small visable black spot.
which one would be safer in clarity according to the types and position of inclusions? She is going to set stone in a 4 prongs solitiar setting with basket.
and #2 is slight more expensive, but having F color and large size; it is shallower which means it would be darker. what would you choose?

 

[DiamondsDiamonds]

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I like No. 1 better.

 

[yssie]

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Update: narrowed down to #1 and #2; #3 has a small visable black spot.
which one would be safer in clarity according to the types and position of inclusions? She is going to set stone in a 4 prongs solitiar setting with basket.

They are all fine. Unless you want positively microscopic prongs, the stones aren't large and none have high crowns so your jeweller should be able to position the prongs where you want - whether that's on the kite facets or on the upper girdle facet meets. In-between choices might be difficult given that you have four prongs symmetric around the stone, so each will be applying pressure at the same angle with no pressure at an opposite angle to balance, but again, no big stones and and no high crowns so maybe I'm just projecting some issues that came up with my own setting onto yours

Long story short - ask your jeweller to confirm they can put the prongs where you think you want them.

and #2 is slight more expensive, but having F color and large size; it is shallower which means it would be darker. what would you choose?

I have owned stones with proportions like this - still do, in fact. I also own stones with different proportions. What you see in terms of light return depends mostly on what light there is to return - in spotlights all stones are going to be ablaze with colour, in diffuse office-light types no stones are going to return colour. Those are extreme types of lights though, in in-between types stones with some types of proportions will err toward white light return and others toward colour. #2 is of the former variety, great choice if you like bright, white stones with tons of white light return, if you want to see more colour in a variety of lights #1 would be a better choice. Niether is objectively better than the other - just personal preference.

 

[Unknown]

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Yssie, as you said #2 would be bright with lots of white light return. Means in natural day light?
The HCA said "A shallower stone, on the lower part of the chart, will look darker when viewed from close up".
In what condition it could be darker than normal one?

 

[yssie]

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Yssie, as you said #2 would be bright with lots of white light return. Means in natural day light?
The HCA said "A shallower stone, on the lower part of the chart, will look darker when viewed from close up".
In what condition it could be darker than normal one?

I mean that it will err toward white light return (white sparks and flashes, no colour) and not show coloured light in *many* types of lights, where a stone with different proportions (high crown, smaller table) will show more coloured light, and less white light in many types of lights.

Depending on how exactly all the facets interact (which we can't know anything about without more info - full scan, photos, video, etc.) more facets in a shallower stone will reflect what is directly in front of them (you, your face/head/hair/clothes) instead of the bright light right beside you/above your head. As you lean over the stone to admire it you subtend at a larger angle from the stone's perspective, and the front of you that is being reflected is turned further away from the light, meaning the stone looks darker than another stone with facets angled differently

 

[diamondseeker2006]

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I would choose #1 for a ring.

 

[NervousBuyer]

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I like #1 better, but that doesn't mean #2 is a bad choice either. If the MB doesn't bother you and you don't see a lack of fire in #2 (where you first notice a lack, and second that it bothers you and you wish you had more) then nothing wrong with #2. Try looking at stones of that diameter - can you tell a difference?