Round Brilliant patents???

[diagem]

When a patent is issued on a standard round brilliant (and I believe a few were issued), what is the patent examiner issuing the patent for?
I guess what I am trying to get to is..., if a standard 57 or 58 facet round is being patented..., what are the specifics needed to show that something is new and patentable?

Anyone experienced in that field is welcome to comment....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

A large number of patents would not stand a legal test DG.

Search patents and brake pedals and US supreme court

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/6/2007 6:19:59 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
A large number of patents would not stand a legal test DG.

Search patents and brake pedals and US supreme court

Thanks, I understand that a patent on a standard round is not possible due to the lack of any innovations?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

That recent brake pedal case suggests that almost all patented cuts would not have involved any real innovation DiaGem. Possibly the last real innovation would have been radiant and princess cuts. Since then "any one skilled in the art" could have developed most new cuts. Certainly now with the new software tools we now have, even the hit and miss experimentation has made ''skilled in the art'' much more powerful and innovation is more obvious.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=9134111

The Supreme Court strikes a blow for common sense




THE DIRTY little secret about American patents is that they are too easy to file, too easy to defend, and too easy to use for nobbling legitimate competition. .........................................

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/6/2007 8:09:04 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
That recent brake pedal case suggests that almost all patented cuts would not have involved any real innovation DiaGem. Possibly the last real innovation would have been radiant and princess cuts. Since then ''any one skilled in the art'' could have developed most new cuts. Certainly now with the new software tools we now have, even the hit and miss experimentation has made ''skilled in the art'' much more powerful and innovation is more obvious.

Unless they start patenting Diamonds for their performance/appearance...

Let just say when looking at a new and innovative face-up appearance in a new Diamond cut which displays a look never encountered previously.

Wishful thinking????

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/6/2007 8:23:56 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 8:09:04 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
That recent brake pedal case suggests that almost all patented cuts would not have involved any real innovation DiaGem. Possibly the last real innovation would have been radiant and princess cuts. Since then ''any one skilled in the art'' could have developed most new cuts. Certainly now with the new software tools we now have, even the hit and miss experimentation has made ''skilled in the art'' much more powerful and innovation is more obvious.

Unless they start patenting Diamonds for their performance/appearance...

Let just say when looking at a new and innovative face-up appearance in a new Diamond cut which displays a look never encountered previously.

Wishful thinking????

Things like the mercedes and the Mont Blanc symbols are already covered by trademark protection which is a simpler legal concept

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/6/2007 8:43:31 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 8:23:56 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 8:09:04 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
That recent brake pedal case suggests that almost all patented cuts would not have involved any real innovation DiaGem. Possibly the last real innovation would have been radiant and princess cuts. Since then ''any one skilled in the art'' could have developed most new cuts. Certainly now with the new software tools we now have, even the hit and miss experimentation has made ''skilled in the art'' much more powerful and innovation is more obvious.

Unless they start patenting Diamonds for their performance/appearance...

Let just say when looking at a new and innovative face-up appearance in a new Diamond cut which displays a look never encountered previously.

Wishful thinking????

Things like the mercedes and the Mont Blanc symbols are already covered by trademark protection which is a simpler legal concept

But the MontBlanc cut is new and innovative!!! The shape at least..., they are only covered by a trademark? You sure?

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/6/2007 8:56:32 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 8:43:31 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 8:23:56 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/6/2007 8:09:04 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
That recent brake pedal case suggests that almost all patented cuts would not have involved any real innovation DiaGem. Possibly the last real innovation would have been radiant and princess cuts. Since then ''any one skilled in the art'' could have developed most new cuts. Certainly now with the new software tools we now have, even the hit and miss experimentation has made ''skilled in the art'' much more powerful and innovation is more obvious.

Unless they start patenting Diamonds for their performance/appearance...

Let just say when looking at a new and innovative face-up appearance in a new Diamond cut which displays a look never encountered previously.

Wishful thinking????

Things like the mercedes and the Mont Blanc symbols are already covered by trademark protection which is a simpler legal concept

But the MontBlanc cut is new and innovative!!! The shape at least..., they are only covered by a trademark? You sure?

Speak of the devil...., here is another new cut...
Let see if we can identify the obvious or the innovation...

Here is the link: http://www.diamonds.net/news/NewsItem.aspx?ArticleID=18550

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/6/2007 9:39:57 AM
Author: DiaGem
Speak of the devil...., here is another new cut...
Let see if we can identify the obvious or the innovation...

Here is the link: http://www.diamonds.net/news/NewsItem.aspx?ArticleID=18550

With a little help from DiamCalc

Here is a GemAdviser of one of the first stones

 

[strmrdr]

Most of the new cuts are just copies of designs amateur cutters came up with in the 50s.
There isn''t one of them that would pass a prier art challenge.
There are over 300000 published designs from 1950 to present.
Just using Datavue2 its possible to destroy most of them if you wanted too spend the money too do so.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 8/6/2007 4:22:17 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 9:39:57 AM
Author: DiaGem
Speak of the devil...., here is another new cut...
Let see if we can identify the obvious or the innovation...

Here is the link: http://www.diamonds.net/news/NewsItem.aspx?ArticleID=18550

With a little help from DiamCalc

Here is a GemAdviser of one of the first stones

1) Just re-downloaded the free Gemadvisor from Pricescope, but this file is still not opening for me.

2) The topic is askew to the main topic here, but...re your patent, Garry...I tried to contemplate it over lunch. What are you protected from, and what are you protecting, i.e....

a) HCA uses proportions to predict performance. Anything else about it?
b) Can you extrapolate, as you noted elsewhere, and work on other shapes and be protected?
c) Can you act against AGS to cease & desist?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/6/2007 4:49:53 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 8/6/2007 4:22:17 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 9:39:57 AM
Author: DiaGem
Speak of the devil...., here is another new cut...
Let see if we can identify the obvious or the innovation...

Here is the link: http://www.diamonds.net/news/NewsItem.aspx?ArticleID=18550

With a little help from DiamCalc

Here is a GemAdviser of one of the first stones

1) Just re-downloaded the free Gemadvisor from Pricescope, but this file is still not opening for me.

2) The topic is askew to the main topic here, but...re your patent, Garry...I tried to contemplate it over lunch. What are you protected from, and what are you protecting, i.e....

a) HCA uses proportions to predict performance. Anything else about it?
b) Can you extrapolate, as you noted elsewhere, and work on other shapes and be protected?
c) Can you act against AGS to cease & desist?

Excelent question Ira.
Would you care to ask it on the other thread where it is relevant as we will have crossed discussions.

Sometimes DiaGem I find I need to open Gem adviser first, and then open the .gem file from Pricescope - i think it is a Microsoft anti threat thing

 

[diagem]

Garry, I cant seem to open it either...

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/6/2007 6:00:09 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, I cant seem to open it either...

DiaGem please try this - open the Gem Adviser first from your program list.

Then open the .gem file from Pricescope - that works for me

Failing that -if you save the file you should definitely be able to open it

But here is the full DiamCalc screen with an ASET black

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/7/2007 12:52:17 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 6:00:09 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, I cant seem to open it either...

DiaGem please try this - open the Gem Adviser first from your program list.

Then open the .gem file from Pricescope - that works for me

Failing that -if you save the file you should definitely be able to open it

But here is the full DiamCalc screen with an ASET black

Garry, I am not that High-tech-ed yet....(I know...it sounds weird..., what can I do!)
I don''t have Gem-Adviser on "my" program list..., I guess I still have a way to go as far as "high-tech" is concerned...

Anyways..., is this statement from the makers of Cupio a correct one?:

"Cupio is cut for maximum brilliance. It scores higher than most princess cut diamonds in the light return index tests performed."

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/7/2007 3:13:47 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/7/2007 12:52:17 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 6:00:09 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, I cant seem to open it either...

DiaGem please try this - open the Gem Adviser first from your program list.

Then open the .gem file from Pricescope - that works for me

Failing that -if you save the file you should definitely be able to open it

But here is the full DiamCalc screen with an ASET black

Garry, I am not that High-tech-ed yet....(I know...it sounds weird..., what can I do!)
I don''t have Gem-Adviser on ''my'' program list..., I guess I still have a way to go as far as ''high-tech'' is concerned...

Anyways..., is this statement from the makers of Cupio a correct one?:

''Cupio is cut for maximum brilliance. It scores higher than most princess cut diamonds in the light return index tests performed.''

Yes - it is a valid claim DG - here is a princess that is exceptionally beautiful - I have seen it too - and while they have very different looks - the claim is honest and if you had them side by side I am sure you would agree. The princess got AGS 0 - or so I believe.

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/7/2007 3:37:21 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/7/2007 3:13:47 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/7/2007 12:52:17 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/6/2007 6:00:09 PM
Author: DiaGem
Garry, I cant seem to open it either...

DiaGem please try this - open the Gem Adviser first from your program list.

Then open the .gem file from Pricescope - that works for me

Failing that -if you save the file you should definitely be able to open it

But here is the full DiamCalc screen with an ASET black

Garry, I am not that High-tech-ed yet....(I know...it sounds weird..., what can I do!)
I don't have Gem-Adviser on 'my' program list..., I guess I still have a way to go as far as 'high-tech' is concerned...

Anyways..., is this statement from the makers of Cupio a correct one?:

'Cupio is cut for maximum brilliance. It scores higher than most princess cut diamonds in the light return index tests performed.'

Yes - it is a valid claim DG - here is a princess that is exceptionally beautiful - I have seen it too - and while they have very different looks - the claim is honest and if you had them side by side I am sure you would agree. The princess got AGS 0 - or so I believe.

Thanks Garry..., I'll take your word for it...
Are you privy to this cut or the Indian Co.?

BTW Garry..., why did you take your Co. info. off the signature line?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I know a bit about it. The CEO makes great coffee DG. There needs to be a lot more Esspresso machines imported into Surat!

But it was already well done and other than suggest the table not get too big, i could not see too much wrong / or where I could add any value.
But my co conspirator / Cut Group compatriot, Mr Janak mistry from Lexus did, i believe, have a hand in the design and optimization using DiamCalc.

This photo is taken with my snappy canon ixus on the office desk pad - so dont be too critical - it was for my own memory mainly. I also have some ASET photos''s but they are same as the DiamCalc Gem adviser image

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/7/2007 9:48:11 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I know a bit about it. The CEO makes great coffee DG. There needs to be a lot more Esspresso machines imported into Surat! and the USA!!!

But it was already well done and other than suggest the table not get too big, i could not see too much wrong / or where I could add any value.
But my co conspirator / Cut Group compatriot, Mr Janak mistry from Lexus did, i believe, have a hand in the design and optimization using DiamCalc.

This photo is taken with my snappy canon ixus on the office desk pad - so dont be too critical -

it was for my own memory mainly. I also have some ASET photos''s but they are same as the DiamCalc Gem adviser image

How is the Espresso Down Under?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 8/8/2007 5:03:56 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/7/2007 9:48:11 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I know a bit about it. The CEO makes great coffee DG. There needs to be a lot more Esspresso machines imported into Surat! and the USA!!!

But it was already well done and other than suggest the table not get too big, i could not see too much wrong / or where I could add any value.
But my co conspirator / Cut Group compatriot, Mr Janak mistry from Lexus did, i believe, have a hand in the design and optimization using DiamCalc.

This photo is taken with my snappy canon ixus on the office desk pad - so dont be too critical -

it was for my own memory mainly. I also have some ASET photos''s but they are same as the DiamCalc Gem adviser image

How is the Espresso Down Under?

We have a huge post WWII Italian migrant population DG - We have coffee that is at least as good as anything I ever had anywhere in Europe, and 10 times better than USA.

Lavazza is one of the most popular, Illy is widespread. I have Nesspresso at home.

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/8/2007 8:42:52 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 8/8/2007 5:03:56 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/7/2007 9:48:11 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
I know a bit about it. The CEO makes great coffee DG. There needs to be a lot more Esspresso machines imported into Surat! and the USA!!!

But it was already well done and other than suggest the table not get too big, i could not see too much wrong / or where I could add any value.
But my co conspirator / Cut Group compatriot, Mr Janak mistry from Lexus did, i believe, have a hand in the design and optimization using DiamCalc.

This photo is taken with my snappy canon ixus on the office desk pad - so dont be too critical -

it was for my own memory mainly. I also have some ASET photos''s but they are same as the DiamCalc Gem adviser image

How is the Espresso Down Under?

We have a huge post WWII Italian migrant population DG - We have coffee that is at least as good as anything I ever had anywhere in Europe, and 10 times better than USA.

Lavazza is one of the most popular, Illy is widespread. I have Nesspresso at home.

Thats all you had to say....,
I too have the Nespresso at home...., not bad at all for a small home-unit!