Recut-or sell for an AVR/OEC?

[vintagelover229]

My husband has recently come on board with me recutting my 1.64 stone into an OEC. Getting it cut into an AVR was an option but with the royalty fee + recutting it was over 1k to do so (closer to 1500.00 after shipping fees) and wasn't very practical. My jeweler here (the one with the 3.41 OEC for sale) has a local cutter who does AGS ideal cut stones who'd recut mine to an OEC for 600.00-but it's going to lose quite a bit of weight since it's a shallow stone. Probably go from a 1.6? to a 1.49-1.5 ish stone.

My stone is H VVS1 and holds quite a premium because of that but I adore lower colored stones and don't really care as long as they are eye clean-so he suggested I sell my stone (offered me 10k) and buy another OEC to fit my setting. My husband isn't on board with this though (working on it) since he's sentimental about the stone.

However GOG has offered me more than that for my stone and has a few AVR that would fit the bill (that are incorrectly priced on his site-he's getting me correct prices now) and one at JBEG that would also fit my setting for a couple thousand less.

My question is-if I can convince my husband to sell (we'd use the leftover funds to do some renovations on the house) which stone do you think I should go with? I've always wanted an AVR but they come with a hefty price tag. I also love GOG and would love to keep everything in one spot if I can.

Or would you just go though with the recut and lose some weight (I have small fingers (4) and so it shouldn't be that noticeable right?) and keep the stone and stay with the high color/clarity since it's so rare? The stone will be recut to by either party to probably a H&A stone if I do get my husband on board with selling it-which isn't going to be the easiest task in the world. But I also don't like throwing money at it while making it smaller-when I could get money for it and still get what I love at the same time. Seems counter productive to me

possible contenders



http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10150/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9902/

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/166ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/22713317_qcZhQf#!i=1820718397&k=97RQhDB

Thanks so much everyone!

 

[yennyfire]

My fav of the 3 you posted is the JBEG. Maybe you could consign your stone with them and then use the funds to purchase the oec? My concern with a recut locally is that you won't know what the facet pattern will look like after its complete. GOG has a track record with this type of job, so if you were opting for a recut, personally, that's the route I'd take.

If it were me, first I'd call Grace and see what she says. If that turns out to not be a viable option, then I'd go with Jon (or try to sell your stone privately, freeing up the funds you'd need).

I haven't addressed the issue of your sentimental DH because, in true PS fashion, I know you can bring him around to see things your way!

I'll be following this thread and your next step with great interest!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I wouldn't consider having it recut into an OEC unless you have Jonathan do it. And I'd find out what size it would end up at before deciding on that option. I asked him about recutting my current diamond and it would have lost too much weight and that might be the case with yours.

I'd consider the 1.62 L AVR. Are you sure you are okay with the drop in color? The JBEG stone has very thin for part of the girdle, so you'll have to either set it in a bezel or have some girdle rehab work done. And without some examination, you have no idea how much leakage, etc. that that stone has. If you want an antique stone, Jon can call some in (he has access to what you see on Old World Diamonds, etc.) and check out the cut for you. That would be the best, in my opinion, because then you could compare the AVR to an antique stone.

 

[InnaR]

Vintagelover,
I would suggest selling your stone to Jon and buying an AVR or OEC from him.
I think recutting into AVR might cost you a lot of diamond weight. AVRs have small tables and high crowns, and to get to that the cutter will have to sactifice some weight.
I just finished recut project with Jon. He recut an old wonky cushion into AVC. It went from 2.80 t0 2.17 and that cushion was ideal candidate for a recut into AVC because it was already very deep and had tall crown. I have size 3 finger, so I did not regret sacrifizing size for the cut. For me it was the best solution, since I wouldn't be able to justify to myself buying an brand new AVC in that size/color combination.

 

[athenaworth]

I would go for the JbEG. There's just something about the history of an OEC that I love, even if it's not perfect.

 

[04diamond<3]

I would go for the JbEG. There's just something about the history of an OEC that I love, even if it's not perfect.

I agree!!! For $7200!!! Compared to the others for 11k and 13k, I would absolutely snatch up the JBEG one ASAP!!!! JBEG says the stone shows more K than M, and I would take their word on it. What a beautiful stone for such a great price!

 

[MichelleCarmen]

I would keep the one you have.

 

[CaratLover2]

My husband has recently come on board with me recutting my 1.64 stone into an OEC. Getting it cut into an AVR was an option but with the royalty fee + recutting it was over 1k to do so (closer to 1500.00 after shipping fees) and wasn't very practical. My jeweler here (the one with the 3.41 OEC for sale) has a local cutter who does AGS ideal cut stones who'd recut mine to an OEC for 600.00-but it's going to lose quite a bit of weight since it's a shallow stone. Probably go from a 1.6? to a 1.49-1.5 ish stone.

My stone is H VVS1 and holds quite a premium because of that but I adore lower colored stones and don't really care as long as they are eye clean-so he suggested I sell my stone (offered me 10k) and buy another OEC to fit my setting. My husband isn't on board with this though (working on it) since he's sentimental about the stone.

However GOG has offered me more than that for my stone and has a few AVR that would fit the bill (that are incorrectly priced on his site-he's getting me correct prices now) and one at JBEG that would also fit my setting for a couple thousand less.

My question is-if I can convince my husband to sell (we'd use the leftover funds to do some renovations on the house) which stone do you think I should go with? I've always wanted an AVR but they come with a hefty price tag. I also love GOG and would love to keep everything in one spot if I can.

Or would you just go though with the recut and lose some weight (I have small fingers (4) and so it shouldn't be that noticeable right?) and keep the stone and stay with the high color/clarity since it's so rare? The stone will be recut to by either party to probably a H&A stone if I do get my husband on board with selling it-which isn't going to be the easiest task in the world. But I also don't like throwing money at it while making it smaller-when I could get money for it and still get what I love at the same time. Seems counter productive to me

possible contenders



http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10150/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9902/

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/166ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/22713317_qcZhQf#!i=1820718397&k=97RQhDB

Thanks so much everyone!

Was this your original e-ring stone? If so, if it were me, I'd probably want to keep it for sentimental reasons. So that would mean either buying a whole new stone and keeping your original, or having it recut.

So far as the recut goes, I'd be keen to go with GOG, provided they backed it with their lifetime policies after the recut at a price agreed beforehand.

EDIT: 1.6 recut down to a 1.5 is not much of a carat loss, so I'd be tempted to recut. Just a thought.

 

[vintagelover229]

My fav of the 3 you posted is the JBEG. Maybe you could consign your stone with them and then use the funds to purchase the oec? My concern with a recut locally is that you won't know what the facet pattern will look like after its complete. GOG has a track record with this type of job, so if you were opting for a recut, personally, that's the route I'd take.

If it were me, first I'd call Grace and see what she says. If that turns out to not be a viable option, then I'd go with Jon (or try to sell your stone privately, freeing up the funds you'd need).

I haven't addressed the issue of your sentimental DH because, in true PS fashion, I know you can bring him around to see things your way!

I'll be following this thread and your next step with great interest!

Yenny: Thanks so much for your input I LOVE your antique oval and if those weren't so rare (and could fit my setting) I would get one in a heartbeat! But I'm so happy that they are so rare so you really will never have another floating around-even here!

But as far as bringing my husband around-after 2 days of serious discussion I've decided to let this one go. It's really important to him although I don't quite understand why (I'm a sentimental person but I picked out the ring-which I did really like-since I knew it could be resold for more than what we paid for it and expressed at the time we bought it the desire to have it be an OEC and he gave me the option of selling it prior to getting engaged but I couldn't bring myself to do it at the time) since it's pretty much the same ring but just a different stone-but it's super important to him and so I need to respect that.

I wouldn't consider having it recut into an OEC unless you have Jonathan do it. And I'd find out what size it would end up at before deciding on that option. I asked him about recutting my current diamond and it would have lost too much weight and that might be the case with yours.

I'd consider the 1.62 L AVR. Are you sure you are okay with the drop in color? The JBEG stone has very thin for part of the girdle, so you'll have to either set it in a bezel or have some girdle rehab work done. And without some examination, you have no idea how much leakage, etc. that that stone has. If you want an antique stone, Jon can call some in (he has access to what you see on Old World Diamonds, etc.) and check out the cut for you. That would be the best, in my opinion, because then you could compare the AVR to an antique stone.

Thanks so much for your input diamondseeker: I would only have my local jeweler cut it into an AGS ideal since he knows how to do that. That is an option if doing an OEC is going to be impractical but any OEC transformation I would want Jonathan to do. But I wouldn't go the AVR route-while I love those stones I'd see if it's possible to get a really well cut OEC without shipping the stones overseas to the cutter who does the AVR. I've inquired about this and will post updates when I can.

Vintagelover,
I would suggest selling your stone to Jon and buying an AVR or OEC from him.
I think recutting into AVR might cost you a lot of diamond weight. AVRs have small tables and high crowns, and to get to that the cutter will have to sactifice some weight.
I just finished recut project with Jon. He recut an old wonky cushion into AVC. It went from 2.80 t0 2.17 and that cushion was ideal candidate for a recut into AVC because it was already very deep and had tall crown. I have size 3 finger, so I did not regret sacrifizing size for the cut. For me it was the best solution, since I wouldn't be able to justify to myself buying an brand new AVC in that size/color combination.

I can't wait to see your "new" stone! It sounds AMAZING! If selling were an option I'd do that but alas it's keep it as it is-or a recut. Either an OEC or an AGS ideal cut stone. Have you gotten before and after photos yet? I would love to see them!

I would go for the JbEG. There's just something about the history of an OEC that I love, even if it's not perfect.

I agree with you atenaworth. Depending no the pricing difference from the list price and Grace's input on that stone I was really interested in it. I don't need perfection-I just want something that has good performance with personality. So I've asked Jonathan about a recut to an OEC that would best fit my stone-if it's even possible. If I was in the US I would have already shipped the ring to be checked out but being in Ontario shipping back and fourth gets pretty costly quickly just for a look see. Not to mention possible boarder issues. Hate to pay twice!

I would go for the JbEG. There's just something about the history of an OEC that I love, even if it's not perfect.

I agree!!! For $7200!!! Compared to the others for 11k and 13k, I would absolutely snatch up the JBEG one ASAP!!!! JBEG says the stone shows more K than M, and I would take their word on it. What a beautiful stone for such a great price!

I know right! I wish I wish

I would keep the one you have.

Thanks MC: It's looking like that's probably the way it will have to go. I'm trying *really* hard (have been for 3 years) to love what I have-which I do-and have even taken a break from PS because of it-but this isn't something that's going away. Even though I love it for what it is-and think it's a beautiful stone/ring-it's just not doing it for me. But I need to learn to let go and this is one thing that I'm trying really really REALLY hard to let go. I've already let go that my band doesn't have milgrain on it (drove me nuts that I only found out after they were soldered together) and that the shank of my e-ring is YG and my whole band is white gold-and that my e-ring has single cuts and the band is modern cuts-and that some of my e-ring side stones are chipped-but that's a whole different thread). But character development doesn't come in a day eh?!

My husband has recently come on board with me recutting my 1.64 stone into an OEC. Getting it cut into an AVR was an option but with the royalty fee + recutting it was over 1k to do so (closer to 1500.00 after shipping fees) and wasn't very practical. My jeweler here (the one with the 3.41 OEC for sale) has a local cutter who does AGS ideal cut stones who'd recut mine to an OEC for 600.00-but it's going to lose quite a bit of weight since it's a shallow stone. Probably go from a 1.6? to a 1.49-1.5 ish stone.

My stone is H VVS1 and holds quite a premium because of that but I adore lower colored stones and don't really care as long as they are eye clean-so he suggested I sell my stone (offered me 10k) and buy another OEC to fit my setting. My husband isn't on board with this though (working on it) since he's sentimental about the stone.

However GOG has offered me more than that for my stone and has a few AVR that would fit the bill (that are incorrectly priced on his site-he's getting me correct prices now) and one at JBEG that would also fit my setting for a couple thousand less.

My question is-if I can convince my husband to sell (we'd use the leftover funds to do some renovations on the house) which stone do you think I should go with? I've always wanted an AVR but they come with a hefty price tag. I also love GOG and would love to keep everything in one spot if I can.

Or would you just go though with the recut and lose some weight (I have small fingers (4) and so it shouldn't be that noticeable right?) and keep the stone and stay with the high color/clarity since it's so rare? The stone will be recut to by either party to probably a H&A stone if I do get my husband on board with selling it-which isn't going to be the easiest task in the world. But I also don't like throwing money at it while making it smaller-when I could get money for it and still get what I love at the same time. Seems counter productive to me

possible contenders



http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10150/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9902/

http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/166ct-Old-European-Cut-Diamond/22713317_qcZhQf#!i=1820718397&k=97RQhDB

Thanks so much everyone!

Was this your original e-ring stone? If so, if it were me, I'd probably want to keep it for sentimental reasons. So that would mean either buying a whole new stone and keeping your original, or having it recut.

So far as the recut goes, I'd be keen to go with GOG, provided they backed it with their lifetime policies after the recut at a price agreed beforehand.

EDIT: 1.6 recut down to a 1.5 is not much of a carat loss, so I'd be tempted to recut. Just a thought.

Yes this is my original e-ring stone. I'm very tempted to do a recut but it will have to be worth it. I'm even considering going ideal cut but locally that costs more-and I'd rather have an OEC but the leakage in my shallow stone really does bother me. The spread is nice-don't get me wrong-but not at the sacrifice of fire/brilliance.

I'll keep everyone posted. thanks so much for your time and help!

ETA: I'm also selling my watch and I'm either using the funds to do a recut or fund an OEC right hand ring. I can't quite decide but I think if I had an OEC on my hand it would help a lot. My stone really is a nice stone so if I got a nice RHR it might help with the recut. I'd probably still do it someday-but it might take the edge of kwim?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think you might ought to leave your ring alone, really. Because if you recut to change it from being shallow, I think you are going to lose diameter and then it won't work in the setting. I love your ring and probably would just leave it alone since you got it for a good price. Save those pennies for another ring for a future anniversary!

If the stone is shallow, I am betting it would end up a LOT smaller than 1.5 if really cut into an OEC with high crown, etc. Jon said my 1.58 would go to about 1.34 and my stone isn't shallow.

 

[Circe]

Ditto to DS - I was just at GOG, and Jon ran a Sarin on my stone. It has a depth of ... 60%, maybe 61%, with a fairly high crown, and he could confidently predict that it would go from a 2.51 to a 2.04. That's a pretty big leap, proportionally.

I think leaving your ring as-is and saving for another might be the way to go ... that, or letting things lie fallow for a bit and then raising the question with your husband again.