Recent H&A E-ring Purchase

[MT7799]

Hey everyone,

This is my first post on here but just wanted to share my experiences so far and get some opinions on the e-ring I just purchase for my upcoming proposal.

I ended up finding a loose stone listed on eternitybyyoni.com, it was a:

ROUND BRILLIANT
Measurements: 6.18 - 6.21 x 3.81 mm
Carat Weight: 0.90 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent

PROPORTIONS
Depth: 61.5%
Table: 58%
Crown Angle: 36.0°
Crown Height: 15.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.6°
Pavilion Depth: 42.5%
Star Length: 45%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None
FINISH

Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS
Crystal

The stone itself ran me about $5,600, but felt it was completely worth it once I saw it in person and got a chance to look at it.

It had great H&A proportions and symmetry as well as it scored quite high (a low #) on the HCA scale. When I was looking at the stone with Yoni I was shocked by how clean it looked, we had a hard time even spotting the crystal inclusion using a 30x loop. I will update the post later on when he sends me some digital copies of the H&A photos.

As for the setting, I'm going with a custom made 18k white gold .50 tcw micropave band with a four prong basket/head. His selection only had a .70 tcw prong set and a .22 tcw micropave (to which I wanted something in between). Once again I'll post pictures of the setting when its finished, about 3 weeks, and of the stone when I get some digital copies. Any comments would be appreciated either way.

OVerall, I would recommend giving Yoni a check out if you considering a new purchase! Very helpful and patient guy.

 

[Andelain]

It's got a deep crown, which causes it to face up small. It may also have light leakage.

 

[MT7799]

What causes you to say that it may have light leakage? When I viewed the stone in person under different conditions with the varying viewers it faced up quite nicely (larger than others in my opinion) and had excellent light return with minimal, if any, light leakage when using the different H&As viewers. I know crown's should be "33-35%" or so but with the other proportions it scored a 1.9 on the HCA scale which also made me feel comfortable with my selection as per light return etc. I'm mainly asking to see if I missed something / regardless of any comments the stone is being set over the next week or two while the ring is being made.

 

[RockyRacoon]

had excellent light return with minimal, if any, light leakage when using the different H&As viewers.

H&A viewers show proportion and symmetry. They do not illustrate any light return properties.

You will never be able to measure or assess leakage using a H&A scope.

 

[yssie]

Well, I'm going to disagree with Ande on this one, I think the numbers are fine - they indicate that it's "worth further investigation" and we'd need more info to nitpick, as Ande and Rocky said. If you saw it in-person and loved it then my recommendation is to stop worrying over a done deal

 

[MT7799]

had excellent light return with minimal, if any, light leakage when using the different H&As viewers.

H&A viewers show proportion and symmetry. They do not illustrate any light return properties.

You will never be able to measure or assess leakage using a H&A scope.

I have to disagree with you rocky...

http://www.ideal-scope.com/newsletters_issue003.asp

 

[MT7799]

Well, I'm going to disagree with Ande on this one, I think the numbers are fine - they indicate that it's "worth further investigation" and we'd need more info to nitpick, as Ande and Rocky said. If you saw it in-person and loved it then my recommendation is to stop worrying over a done deal

Thanks Yssie. Im not so much worried over the stone as I did pull the trigger on it and no going back now haha . I just wanted to see if I missed anything as I found this whole process truly informative and enjoyable. Even though it was stressful at first, I loved the hunt seeing other buyer's posts and gaining a lot more knowledge during it all. I used to work at a Zales when I was in HS and into the beginning of college and learned a lot more about jewelry and gems during that time this definitely furthered my knowledge much more.

 

[hawk25]

had excellent light return with minimal, if any, light leakage when using the different H&As viewers.

H&A viewers show proportion and symmetry. They do not illustrate any light return properties.

You will never be able to measure or assess leakage using a H&A scope.

I have to disagree with you rocky...

http://www.ideal-scope.com/newsletters_issue003.asp

When you said different H&A viewers, did you also mean that to include an idealscope? An idealscope shouldn't be confused with a typical H&A viewer. I can't imagine many physical stores having idealscopes on hand for customers to use (I'd love to be wrong on that though)

 

[MT7799]

Yes I was able to look at an idealscope image to see the arrows and then used a light table with the viewer to see the hearts. This wasnt done in a normal BM store but I met with Yoni, the broker, to view the stone at the actual Wholesalers office in NY which is in the same building as his office.

 

[yssie]

had excellent light return with minimal, if any, light leakage when using the different H&As viewers.

H&A viewers show proportion and symmetry. They do not illustrate any light return properties.

You will never be able to measure or assess leakage using a H&A scope.

I have to disagree with you rocky...

http://www.ideal-scope.com/newsletters_issue003.asp

When you said different H&A viewers, did you also mean to include an idealscope? An idealscope shouldn't be confused with a typical H&A viewer.

Ah, I was confused too - I think I got caught up on the lack of mention of the idealscope in the original post. Ditto hawk and Rocky - the link features an ideal-scope, not a H&A viewer, but it sounds like you looked at the stone through both an IS and a H&A viewer and were happy with what you saw? An idealscope will give you a basic view of the stone's optical symmetry by virtue of symmetry of light return and patterning, but it isn't fine-grained enough to show sufficient detail by which to judge H&A. A H&A scope is a different type of scope that highlights the details of optical symmetry, but stones with a variety of proportions - some that IS reward and some that IS doesn't reward - may demonstrate nice hearts and arrows patterns. Here's HRD's H&A guidelines: http://www.hrdantwerp.be/media/24344/hearts_arrows_guidelines.pdf

 

[yssie]

Well, I'm going to disagree with Ande on this one, I think the numbers are fine - they indicate that it's "worth further investigation" and we'd need more info to nitpick, as Ande and Rocky said. If you saw it in-person and loved it then my recommendation is to stop worrying over a done deal

Thanks Yssie. Im not so much worried over the stone as I did pull the trigger on it and no going back now haha . I just wanted to see if I missed anything as I found this whole process truly informative and enjoyable. Even though it was stressful at first, I loved the hunt seeing other buyer's posts and gaining a lot more knowledge during it all. I used to work at a Zales when I was in HS and into the beginning of college and learned a lot more about jewelry and gems during that time this definitely furthered my knowledge much more.

Stick around, the learning never ends!

 

[Karl_K]

Well, I'm going to disagree with Ande on this one, I think the numbers are fine - they indicate that it's "worth further investigation" and we'd need more info to nitpick, as Ande and Rocky said. If you saw it in-person and loved it then my recommendation is to stop worrying over a done deal

Within the gia rounding there are many combos that would get a solid ags0 and a few that are borderline AGS1-0.
With h&a optical symmetry and longer lgf% most of the predicted ags1 combos would have a very good chance of getting ags0.

To the OP it sounds fine. Congrates!!!