Re: diamond pics..

[sanpreet]

So I picked up 0.601 J VS2 earlier but then found out it can be graded J in the report and can be close to either I or K. So I requested additional pics. What do you guys think? will my fiancé see a tint in J? All listed in pics are ACA. A little white on arrows of J bugs me too. I wish it was all nice and black.

Any help appreciated. @sledge @lovedogs
Here is link for my diamond I bought

Diamond | 0.601 ct J VS2 A CUT ABOVE® Hearts and Arrows Super Ideal Round Cut Loose Diamond AGS Certified | 4336463

This Whiteflash A CUT ABOVE® super ideal cut hearts and arrows 0.601 carat J color VS2 clarity loose diamond is graded by the American Gem Society (AGS) Laboratories. | 4336463

www.whiteflash.com

 

[sanpreet]

And I like that i can't see any marks or dots or granny dots on the top of the diamond on 0.601 J VS2, Just afraid if it will look yellow.

Also, everyone around us Have H or lower color, I don't want my fiancés ring to dhow tint or look yellow when we are around them.

 

[elle_chris]

In that size it depends on color sensitive she is. On it's own, face up she probably won't see anything off with the color. But if she compares it to higher grades, she will.

Thing is, it's impossible to tell in pics what someone will see in person.

I'm currently in the middle of upgrading size. Going from a G to J.
Whiteflash sent me similar pics, a comparison of my new stone against a K because I wanted to make sure it wasn't a low J. If I compare my J to yours face up mine looks whiter, but face down mine looks yellower.

So yeah, impossible to really tell color on a monitor and it's definitely not what any of us will see in person. At least that's been my experience.

 

[marymm]

It is likely a J-color diamond will show some tint, and the tint will be more obvious depending on lighting and environment.

You mention the J-color diamond may be compared to H-color and higher diamonds ... a WF ACA is a top-notch diamond with superlative cut, so the J-color ACA's performance will definitely be at least as good as and more likely far better than most diamonds ... but color-wise a J is a J and it will show as a warmer diamond.

If you are concerned about color/tint, you may want to ask your WF rep to find you a high-color H-color diamond within budget.

 

[lovedogs]

I honestly can barely see the difference between the I and J you purchased. In a .6 size I wouldn't worry at all.

 

[jaysonsmom]

I honestly can barely see the difference between the I and J you purchased. In a .6 size I wouldn't worry at all.

It really depends on each person's color sensitivity. I purchased super ideal BGD studs in J (0.43 and 0.42 ct) thinking that the color would not be apparent at that size, however when worn with the rest of my diamonds in the F-H range, I could clearly see the color difference, and it was enough to bother me. A J color is a J color no matter how great the cut IMO, and it is all in the eye of the beholder. I have since given my J color studs to my daughter, and they look beautiful on her because she doesn't wear any other diamond jewelry, and they look wonderfully bright and white on their own.

 

[sledge]

A few thoughts come to mind:

1. Traditionally women see color more easily than men.

2. Not all women (or men) prefer whiter diamonds. It is similar to saying red is better than blue or vice versa. Neither is better. It's a preference. However, the market has said less tint is more valuable so generally the population perceives less tint as "better" as it's more expensive.

3. It's true. There is a "range" associated with color grades. The further you go down the color scale the larger the range grows. Using D, G & J as color references, you see ranges increase as you work your way down the scale, which in equation terms would look like this: D < G < J. The reason for the range is fairly simple. Stones are graded by humans. Grading involves looking at the pavilion (body) side of the stone and comparing against a set of master stones to see where it falls.

4. Size matters. As I noted above, tint is seen in the BODY (or pavilion) of a stone. Consequently, the smaller the stone the smaller the body and the less tint that can be seen. So while a 0.60ct J stone may be acceptable, you may find it too tinted as a 1.60ct stone (assuming the ranges are identical).

5. Super ideal cuts exhibit edge to edge light return and consequently look much brighter than standard GIA stones that are not as well cut. So from a face up position it wouldn't be uncommon for your ideal cut J stone to look equally as white as a poorer cut H stone. Considering super ideals are only about 3-5% of the market share, it's unlikely all her/your friends also have super ideals.

A Buyer's Guide to J Color Diamonds | Whiteflash

J Color Diamonds still appear white to most observers. Find out what to look for when buying a J color diamond and setting with Whiteflash.

www.whiteflash.com

6. Using a setting that covers more of the body/pavilion of the stone can help mask the tint. So a 6-prong setting would be better than a 4 prong. Just as a bezel would be even better.

7. Getting specific to the stones in question, there is very little tint difference between the I & J stones. Not enough that I would trade out the stones at this point. No need talking about the K as you aren't going that way. I do clearly see a tint difference between the G and J stones. But in the grand scheme it's pretty minor, and unless you are side by side I am not certain it would really come into play.

8. Although not asked, I do prefer the aesthetics of the J much better. Smaller table, fatter areas and more contrast. It's more appealing to my eyeballs in a static picture, as well as diffused lighting and it also seems more lively in the sparkle videos as well, which aligns with nuanced preferences in proportion variations.

Also, while I think both stones will be eye clean I understand the clarity drop concern of the G. I too prefer the VS2.

Keep in mind, both these stones are ACA's and rock stars. I am really nitpicking here. But if I were to swap the J for a G, then I would likely try to find a G that has more similar proportions to your current J.

9. Don't forget you have a lifetime trade up policy. If you keep the J and she hates the color, you can always upgrade at a later date when it makes more sense.

10. For fun, I cropped out the I & K stones to show you the G & J side-by-side.

 

[ringo865]

J color ACA stones are not too tinted “FOR ME” - plus like sledge said, this one has chunky arrows. Get it and see what she thinks. You can return/exchange it, or like many here do, save up for five years, (or one) and get a bigger .. or higher color stone as an upgrade.

 

[sanpreet]

In that size it depends on color sensitive she is. On it's own, face up she probably won't see anything off with the color. But if she compares it to higher grades, she will.

Thing is, it's impossible to tell in pics what someone will see in person.

I'm currently in the middle of upgrading size. Going from a G to J.
Whiteflash sent me similar pics, a comparison of my new stone against a K because I wanted to make sure it wasn't a low J. If I compare my J to yours face up mine looks whiter, but face down mine looks yellower.

So yeah, impossible to really tell color on a monitor and it's definitely not what any of us will see in person. At least that's been my experience.

Yah that's what I was worried about. I have shown to my friends and everyone says it's very slight tint. But I am pleased to know that J is in low J, not high J (which would be more k). Thank you for sharing your experience.

 

[sanpreet]

It is likely a J-color diamond will show some tint, and the tint will be more obvious depending on lighting and environment.

You mention the J-color diamond may be compared to H-color and higher diamonds ... a WF ACA is a top-notch diamond with superlative cut, so the J-color ACA's performance will definitely be at least as good as and more likely far better than most diamonds ... but color-wise a J is a J and it will show as a warmer diamond.

If you are concerned about color/tint, you may want to ask your WF rep to find you a high-color H-color diamond within budget.

yes, thank you. That is my plan. My fiancé to see it and assess and see if she likes it.

 

[sanpreet]

I honestly can barely see the difference between the I and J you purchased. In a .6 size I wouldn't worry at all.

Yes, I agree with you. we will see and take pics or videos in real life environment and see how it goes. Thank you for reassurance.

 

[sanpreet]

It really depends on each person's color sensitivity. I purchased super ideal BGD studs in J (0.43 and 0.42 ct) thinking that the color would not be apparent at that size, however when worn with the rest of my diamonds in the F-H range, I could clearly see the color difference, and it was enough to bother me. A J color is a J color no matter how great the cut IMO, and it is all in the eye of the beholder. I have since given my J color studs to my daughter, and they look beautiful on her because she doesn't wear any other diamond jewelry, and they look wonderfully bright and white on their own.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I think we will look at it in person and see how much warmth and tint it shows.

 

[marymm]

Just to clarify, a high J will be closer to an I, a low J will be closer to a K

In diamonds, higher colors are closer to D, lower colors are closer to XYZ

I hope that makes sense

 

[sanpreet]

A few thoughts come to mind:

1. Traditionally women see color more easily than men.

2. Not all women (or men) prefer whiter diamonds. It is similar to saying red is better than blue or vice versa. Neither is better. It's a preference. However, the market has said less tint is more valuable so generally the population perceives less tint as "better" as it's more expensive.

3. It's true. There is a "range" associated with color grades. The further you go down the color scale the larger the range grows. Using D, G & J as color references, you see ranges increase as you work your way down the scale, which in equation terms would look like this: D < G < J. The reason for the range is fairly simple. Stones are graded by humans. Grading involves looking at the pavilion (body) side of the stone and comparing against a set of master stones to see where it falls.

4. Size matters. As I noted above, tint is seen in the BODY (or pavilion) of a stone. Consequently, the smaller the stone the smaller the body and the less tint that can be seen. So while a 0.60ct J stone may be acceptable, you may find it too tinted as a 1.60ct stone (assuming the ranges are identical).

5. Super ideal cuts exhibit edge to edge light return and consequently look much brighter than standard GIA stones that are not as well cut. So from a face up position it wouldn't be uncommon for your ideal cut J stone to look equally as white as a poorer cut H stone. Considering super ideals are only about 3-5% of the market share, it's unlikely all her/your friends also have super ideals.

A Buyer's Guide to J Color Diamonds | Whiteflash

J Color Diamonds still appear white to most observers. Find out what to look for when buying a J color diamond and setting with Whiteflash.

www.whiteflash.com

6. Using a setting that covers more of the body/pavilion of the stone can help mask the tint. So a 6-prong setting would be better than a 4 prong. Just as a bezel would be even better.

7. Getting specific to the stones in question, there is very little tint difference between the I & J stones. Not enough that I would trade out the stones at this point. No need talking about the K as you aren't going that way. I do clearly see a tint difference between the G and J stones. But in the grand scheme it's pretty minor, and unless you are side by side I am not certain it would really come into play.

8. Although not asked, I do prefer the aesthetics of the J much better. Smaller table, fatter areas and more contrast. It's more appealing to my eyeballs in a static picture, as well as diffused lighting and it also seems more lively in the sparkle videos as well, which aligns with nuanced preferences in proportion variations.

Also, while I think both stones will be eye clean I understand the clarity drop concern of the G. I too prefer the VS2.

Keep in mind, both these stones are ACA's and rock stars. I am really nitpicking here. But if I were to swap the J for a G, then I would likely try to find a G that has more similar proportions to your current J.

9. Don't forget you have a lifetime trade up policy. If you keep the J and she hates the color, you can always upgrade at a later date when it makes more sense.

10. For fun, I cropped out the I & K stones to show you the G & J side-by-side.

Thank you so much sledge. You nailed it. I love the sparkle and definitely want to see that. I think sparkle will catch my attention first.

Very good point on swapping with around same proportions in G or H if I go that way.

I saw the educational link from whiteflash that you attached to response. That was helpful.

Also I got a phone call from WF rep to check on if I have more questions regarding diamond I bought. I like the reps. They are very quick and responsive even after I bought the diamond. Michelle has been amazing throughout and after the purchase.

I have told the rep that we will see the diamond in different environments and see how we feel.

I will keep you guys posted once we get the ring.

 

[Dancing Fire]

A very nice stone if she don't mind the J color.

 

[sledge]

Glad I could help @sanpreet.

WF is a solid vendor and will treat you right. Fingers crossed your girl goes absolutely gaga over the sparkle bomb that is headed your way.

FYI, here's what I envision you guys seeing when you "compare" stones with her friends GIA XXX's.

 

[sanpreet]

A very nice stone if she don't mind the J color.

Thank you.

 

[sanpreet]

Glad I could help @sanpreet.

WF is a solid vendor and will treat you right. Fingers crossed your girl goes absolutely gaga over the sparkle bomb that is headed your way.

FYI, here's what I envision you guys seeing when you "compare" stones with her friends GIA XXX's.

Thank you.

Love this video. It's great sparkle. I showed this to my fiance and she loved the sparkle too.

 

[sledge]

Thank you.

Love this video. It's great sparkle. I showed this to my fiance and she loved the sparkle too.

Keep in mind that was an animated GIF picture I found online comparing another ACA against a standard GIA XXX stone. So it wasn't HER stone in there. Just want to be clear.

However, the results should be similar. All these little nuances help provide more fire, which IMO, is the whole reason we buy diamonds in the first place.

I am excited for you guys!

 

[sanpreet]

Keep in mind that was an animated GIF picture I found online comparing another ACA against a standard GIA XXX stone. So it wasn't HER stone in there. Just want to be clear.

However, the results should be similar. All these little nuances help provide more fire, which IMO, is the whole reason we buy diamonds in the first place.

I am excited for you guys!

Yes I checked it and compared the ags number with that diamond and figured it was a demo. Great demo tho!

 

[tyty333]

I have a .46 Super Ideal J that I never see any color in. Its always just a white flashy dot. I also have a 1.14 J ACA that depending on the
lighting I do see its J-ness (it doesn't bother me though). I suspect you will not see much color in your J however, you may see the tint if you are
comparing side-by-side with other stones from D-I.

WF does have an excellent upgrade policy if you decide you want to upgrade the color (or anything else) down the road.

 

[Roo16]

I have a .46 Super Ideal J that I never see any color in. Its always just a white flashy dot. I also have a 1.14 J ACA that depending on the
lighting I do see its J-ness (it doesn't bother me though). I suspect you will not see much color in your J however, you may see the tint if you are
comparing side-by-side with other stones from D-I.

WF does have an excellent upgrade policy if you decide you want to upgrade the color (or anything else) down the road.

Thank you. That is reassuring. We are picking up the ring on 19th May. Lets see how it turns. The plan is to get higher color with same size and proportions if we didn't like the J.

 

[sanpreet]

Ok everyone the wait is over. we love the ring. I can't see in person yet but fiance said that I have to see sparkle bomb with naked eye. she is obsessed with it and can't stop looking at it. Haha

It does look very white and no yellow tinge seen. We love the size. It's perfect for her. Her parents loved the ring as well.

I have tons of videos in different settings but having difficulty attaching them..

Thank you everyone for all that reassurance and help us finding a great diamond.

And obviously huge thanks to @sledge for explaining things to a newbie and helping find a great diamond

 

[sanpreet]

Here's a video

 

[sanpreet]

 

[sanpreet]

 

[sanpreet]

Hopefully this will help people to decide diamond colors. Esp people like me who need a lot reassurance. Also to see how beautiful is J color in ACA diamond.

 

[sanpreet]

 

[sanpreet]

 

[Dancing Fire]