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[JMosher]

GIA CERT:
Round Brilliant
5.86 x 5.89 x 3.61
.76 RB
G
VVS@
Excellent Cut Grade
Excellent Polish
Excellent Symmetry
No Fluorescence
Additional Inscription H&A

Table: 56%
Depth: 61.4%
Crown Angle 34.0*
Pav Angle: 40.8*



**** Whats with the hearts and arrows inscription? I thought GIA doesnt grade H&A? ****

 

[february2003bride]

I can't comment on the H&A description from GIA (I thought just AGS added that to certificates), but it looks to be a beautiful stones! From the HCA:

Total Visual Performance: 1- Excellent

 

[JMosher]

So the lesser the number on the HCA total visual the better? I just checked out the outcome on the stone everything is excellent except for spread.... which was very good... what is spread?

 

[John P]

Date: 7/15/2008 7:14:33 PM
Author:JMosher

**** Whats with the hearts and arrows inscription? I thought GIA doesnt grade H&A? ****

They don't. Whoever sent the diamond to the lab had that inscribed on it. GIA is reporting the inscription. If "Joanie loves Chachi" was inscribed it would be noted as an additional inscription as well.

AGS does not grade H&A either, but they note inscriptions present just as GIA does. For sake of integrity the only way a diamond should be sold as a "Hearts & Arrows" stone is to actually show the hearts images. It's easy to claim "H&A" without demonstrating it.

 

[John P]

Date: 7/15/2008 7:21:20 PM
Author: JMosher

So the lesser the number on the HCA total visual the better?

No. Anything under 2.0 is considered to have equal potential. "Spread" relates to how big the diamond looks for its carat weight. The one you''re considering has nice spread, no worries.

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 7/15/2008 7:26:49 PM
Author: John Pollard

Date: 7/15/2008 7:14:33 PM
Author:JMosher

**** Whats with the hearts and arrows inscription? I thought GIA doesnt grade H&A? ****

They don''t. Whoever sent the diamond to the lab had that inscribed on it. GIA is reporting the inscription. If ''Joanie loves Chachi'' was inscribed it would be noted as an additional inscription as well.

AGS does not grade H&A either, but they note inscriptions present just as GIA does. For sake of integrity the only way a diamond should be sold as a ''Hearts & Arrows'' stone is to actually show the hearts images. It''s easy to claim ''H&A'' without demonstrating it.

ROFLOL!!

So John, if an AGS or GIA cert states H&A, it potentially may NOT show hearts and arrows?

 

[JMosher]

soooo if they can inscribe anything ... how about a fake inscription # on the girdle to go along with a fake GIA Cert?

 

[John P]

Date: 7/15/2008 7:44:41 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 7/15/2008 7:26:49 PM
Author: John Pollard


They don''t. Whoever sent the diamond to the lab had that inscribed on it. GIA is reporting the inscription. If ''Joanie loves Chachi'' was inscribed it would be noted as an additional inscription as well.

AGS does not grade H&A either, but they note inscriptions present just as GIA does. For sake of integrity the only way a diamond should be sold as a ''Hearts & Arrows'' stone is to actually show the hearts images. It''s easy to claim ''H&A'' without demonstrating it.

ROFLOL!!

So John, if an AGS or GIA cert states H&A, it potentially may NOT show hearts and arrows?

Hehe. You''re right Feb2003Bride. In fact, a shady manufacturer may go ahead and put on such an inscription, hoping an innocent buyer will assume that "if the GIA/AGS report says so...it must be true." Not so.

Sneeky huh?

 

[John P]

Date: 7/15/2008 8:07:01 PM
Author: JMosher

soooo if they can inscribe anything ... how about a fake inscription # on the girdle to go along with a fake GIA Cert?

It can be done. They could also inscribe "3.00 carat D-Flawless" - but that wouldn't make it true.

If you're buying from a reputable dealer they're not going to do something as foolish as switch a diamond on you, or sell a diamond that does not match the grading report. Diamonds are typically verifiable by their inclusions until you get to the highest clarities (at which point an appraiser should be able to match it to a report).

With that said, "H&A" is a gray area. I suggest you beware dealers who advertise diamonds as "Hearts & Arrows," charging a premium for that feature, without showing you actual hearts & arrows photos for that diamond (why wouldn't they?) or - as an alternative - put forward some kind of written or pictorial guarantee that the diamond meets (XYZ) standards.

 

[february2003bride]

Date: 7/15/2008 8:10:57 PM
Author: John Pollard

Date: 7/15/2008 7:44:41 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 7/15/2008 7:26:49 PM
Author: John Pollard


They don''t. Whoever sent the diamond to the lab had that inscribed on it. GIA is reporting the inscription. If ''Joanie loves Chachi'' was inscribed it would be noted as an additional inscription as well.

AGS does not grade H&A either, but they note inscriptions present just as GIA does. For sake of integrity the only way a diamond should be sold as a ''Hearts & Arrows'' stone is to actually show the hearts images. It''s easy to claim ''H&A'' without demonstrating it.

ROFLOL!!

So John, if an AGS or GIA cert states H&A, it potentially may NOT show hearts and arrows?

Hehe. You''re right Feb2003Bride. In fact, a shady manufacturer may go ahead and put on such an inscription, hoping an innocent buyer will assume that ''if the GIA/AGS report says so...it must be true.'' Not so.

Sneeky huh?

That''s very disconcerning to read! I assumed that if GIA or AGS stated H&A on a certificate, then it had it. Mine states that but it arrived mounted from Blue Nile, so know way to confirm it actually has hearts (it definitely has arrows!) unless I''m at a jeweler when it''s unmounted. I learn a new thing on Pricescope every day! Thanks John!

 

[John P]

Date: 7/15/2008 8:25:54 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 7/15/2008 8:10:57 PM
Author: John Pollard

Hehe. You're right Feb2003Bride. In fact, a shady manufacturer may go ahead and put on such an inscription, hoping an innocent buyer will assume that 'if the GIA/AGS report says so...it must be true.' Not so.

Sneeky huh?

That's very disconcerning to read! I assumed that if GIA or AGS stated H&A on a certificate, then it had it. Mine states that but it arrived mounted from Blue Nile, so know way to confirm it actually has hearts (it definitely has arrows!) unless I'm at a jeweler when it's unmounted. I learn a new thing on Pricescope every day! Thanks John!

You're welcome, and as long as your diamond is a beauty don't concern yourself about it for one minute. It's a good thing to know around here though, especially if a jeweler tries to charge someone a premium without being willing to show the hearts and arrows images. I've seen a fair number of diamonds purported to be H&A on paper but when the rubber met the road they were not.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/15/2008 8:10:57 PM
Author: John Pollard

Date: 7/15/2008 7:44:41 PM
Author: february2003bride

Date: 7/15/2008 7:26:49 PM
Author: John Pollard


They don''t. Whoever sent the diamond to the lab had that inscribed on it. GIA is reporting the inscription. If ''Joanie loves Chachi'' was inscribed it would be noted as an additional inscription as well.

Hehehe! You certainly have a way with words these days Sir, thanks for the giggle!