Radiant Cut with Pave Halo Setting..

[johnnykeogh]

Hi all,

Ok dilema time. My fiancee fell in love with a particular setting and really nothing has compared to it since... so, we bought it !!!!! See below

However, it was more costly then I planned for the setting and now I have to take a bit of a drop in price on the planned diamond.

So I will need to probably drop to an Si1 or Si2 if I plan on keeping a H or an I colour.
I am currently on the hunt for a diamond that matches theses specs, but just wondering if from the Pave Halo ring you see do you think if a diamond I found had inclusions on the bottom of the diamond would they be hidden to the outside world to to the halo framework.

Trying for about a 1.5 ct diamond, but the search is difficult with my budget.

Any advise to this slowly but surely learing nocvie is very much appreciated

Thank you
Johnny

 

[tyty333]

What you need to search for is an eye-clean SI1 or SI2. You need to tell the vendor that you dont want to
see anything from what ever distance away you dont want to see any thing...like 3 or 6 inches away.

Depending on how bad your budget took a hit you could also drop down to an I1 where it can be hidden
under a prong. (Most people do not like to drop down to an I for an engagment ring...I''m just trying to
give you all your options).

Your best bet might be to contact a vendor and let them know what you are looking for. We can help
if you let us know your budget. With fancy cuts you need idealscope images and/or aset images to
really tell if they are good performers (or if they might be leaking light).

 

[tyty333]

Here is a link to a chart that may help you while trying to find a well cut radiant
http://www.gemappraisers.com/oldcutgraderules.asp

Choose the stone shape (radiant) to get the specs.

 

[Collee]

Nice setting!

I can't comment on the visibility of inclusions in SI2s however eyeclean SI1s are common.

In re: to your 1.5ct goal, are you basing the ct size on your desired weight or the measurements of the head? I ask because the head should dictate the size and not your desire. Normally the head is sized to fit the stone but in your case, the stone is going to have to fit the size of the selected setting head.

 

[johnnykeogh]

Unfortunately budget is about 4500 for the diamond ... As low as possible please

 

[yssie]

Date: 11/3/2009 6:56:37 PM
Author: Collee
Nice setting!

I can't comment on the visibility of inclusions in SI2s however eyeclean SI1s are common.

In re: to your 1.5ct goal, are you basing the ct size on your desired weight or the measurements of the head? I ask because the head should dictate the size and not your desire. Normally the head is sized to fit the stone but in your case, the stone is going to have to fit the size of the selected setting head.

Ditto this...

Take your setting to a jeweller and confirm exactly what the range for the centre is. You don't want to buy a stone that's just a bit too wide/deep/shallow and then have to pay more to get the setting reworked. You might be surprised at just how low the size variation tolerance is.

ETA: I just saw you're looking for a radiant, which means you also need to worry about LxW and fitting into that basket well. If you're within the return for the setting, would you consider returning it and having a custom one made specifically for your diamond? It might make your search a lot easier, and you'll have a setting made to fit the exact proportions of your diamond - much safer.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 11/3/2009 8:43:13 PM
Author: johnnykeogh
Unfortunately budget is about 4500 for the diamond ... As low as possible please

$4500 is unrealistic for a 1.5 Carat Diamond you should be looking in the 1 Carat range also this depends on the color.
You pay the most for Size > Color > Clarity > Cut so you aren't going to be able to squeeze into your budget without compromising on both color and size.

The carat weight is not going to be precise enough you need to know the size demensions ie (6.25mm X 6.25mm) that will fit into the setting, take it to a jeweler and they will be able to tell you.

That setting also fits cushions so you might also consider a square cushion as well. With the prongs on the four corners you could get a well cut cushion with better optics than a radiant and the outline shape once set would be quite similar. If you want a cushion with straight edges that is a perfect square you should consider a modern 4 or 8 main cushion.

 

[johnnykeogh]

Hi ChunkyCushionLover,

Thanks for your answer, I am considering what you stated to me regarding the cushion cut...

Do you think a cushion cut will definitely look the same as the Radiant in the below setting , or am i missing something ?? Or any other advise on this subject ?
Are cushion and Radiant the same except for the corners which obviously differ. We need a rectangular cushion / radiant for our setting

Thanks a million
Johnny

 

[johnnykeogh]

see image

 

[johnnykeogh]

NB: a range from Length == 7mm to 8mm, and a width from 5 mm to 6mm

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/4/2009 10:40:55 AM
Author: johnnykeogh


Hi ChunkyCushionLover,

Thanks for your answer, I am considering what you stated to me regarding the cushion cut...

Do you think a cushion cut will definitely look the same as the Radiant in the below setting , or am i missing something ?? Or any other advise on this subject ?


Are cushion and Radiant the same except for the corners which obviously differ. We need a rectangular cushion / radiant for our setting

Thanks a million
Johnny

Johnny, see your other thread for some diamonds which might suit you, but cushions and radiants are of a different look, plus your fiancee expressed a preference for a radiant. I see many disappointed ladies here whose fiance's have deviated from the diamond they wanted, personally I would advise sticking to a radiant as that is what she says she wants.

 

[risingsun]

Can you pick the diamond and have the setting made to fit the stone? This way you will know that everything will fit together, as it should.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 11/4/2009 12:19:59 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/4/2009 10:40:55 AM
Author: johnnykeogh



Hi ChunkyCushionLover,

Thanks for your answer, I am considering what you stated to me regarding the cushion cut...

Do you think a cushion cut will definitely look the same as the Radiant in the below setting , or am i missing something ?? Or any other advise on this subject ?



Are cushion and Radiant the same except for the corners which obviously differ. We need a rectangular cushion / radiant for our setting

Thanks a million
Johnny

Johnny, see your other thread for some diamonds which might suit you, but cushions and radiants are of a different look, plus your fiancee expressed a preference for a radiant. I see many disappointed ladies here whose fiance''s have deviated from the diamond they wanted, personally I would advise sticking to a radiant as that is what she says she wants.

Johnny,

A couple things for you to consider:

1) Your fiance said she liked a radiant do you know why (the outline of the stone, the cut corners?, the bright crushed ice appearance and smaller flashes?), the often rectangular shape? Do you have a picture or know where her preference came from. If you had the inspiration ring or something similar that would help.

2) That setting is made for a stone with specific proportions and you have to be clear what they are. You need to know if the girdle of the stone was in the same plain as the melee in the ring (ie not above the ring) what would be the ideal dimensions of the stone you are looking for in mm? your jewler should measure exactly. You can''t give a range. We need an exact Length/Width Ratio.

3) To undertand the difference in look between a Radiant and a Square Cushion(one type anyway ) see the a radiant ring here http://rockdiamond.com/index.php/jewelry/halo_diamond_ring-1239 versus Square Cushion http://www.vimeo.com/7293728 versus one of the GOG signature cut Square Cushions http://www.vimeo.com/6401615. You can also get a more modern cut square cushion but I can''t find a video for that.

4) You should be sure that your Fiance would be okay with a J or I colored diamond many women are not especially J which may a noticeable yellow tint especially in a radiant and cushion cut. It will be a tradeoff between size and color in your budget range.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/4/2009 12:45:47 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 11/4/2009 12:19:59 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/4/2009 10:40:55 AM
Author: johnnykeogh






Hi ChunkyCushionLover,

Thanks for your answer, I am considering what you stated to me regarding the cushion cut...

Do you think a cushion cut will definitely look the same as the Radiant in the below setting , or am i missing something ?? Or any other advise on this subject ?






Are cushion and Radiant the same except for the corners which obviously differ. We need a rectangular cushion / radiant for our setting

Thanks a million
Johnny

Johnny, see your other thread for some diamonds which might suit you, but cushions and radiants are of a different look, plus your fiancee expressed a preference for a radiant. I see many disappointed ladies here whose fiance's have deviated from the diamond they wanted, personally I would advise sticking to a radiant as that is what she says she wants.

Johnny,

A couple things for you to consider:

1) Your fiance said she liked a radiant do you know why (the outline of the stone, the cut corners?, the bright crushed ice appearance and smaller flashes?), the often rectangular shape? Do you have a picture or know where her preference came from. If you had the inspiration ring or something similar that would help.

2) That setting is made for a stone with specific proportions and you have to be clear what they are. You need to know if the girdle of the stone was in the same plain as the melee in the ring (ie not above the ring) what would be the ideal dimensions of the stone you are looking for in mm? your jewler should measure exactly. You can't give a range. We need an exact Length/Width Ratio.

3) To undertand the difference in look between a Radiant and a Square Cushion(one type anyway ) see the a radiant ring here http://rockdiamond.com/index.php/jewelry/halo_diamond_ring-1239 versus Square Cushion http://www.vimeo.com/7293728 versus one of the GOG signature cut Square Cushions http://www.vimeo.com/6401615. You can also get a more modern cut square cushion but I can't find a video for that.

4) You should be sure that your Fiance would be okay with a J or I colored diamond many women are not especially J which may a noticeable yellow tint especially in a radiant and cushion cut. It will be a tradeoff between size and color in your budget range.

I would call it more slight warmth from the radiants I have viewed in person of these colour grades rather than yellow, that term can be scary for newbies and make them think these diamonds will be distinctly yellow when they are not.

 

[ChunkyCushionLover]

Date: 11/4/2009 1:02:10 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/4/2009 12:45:47 PM
Author: ChunkyCushionLover

Date: 11/4/2009 12:19:59 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/4/2009 10:40:55 AM
Author: johnnykeogh







Hi ChunkyCushionLover,

Thanks for your answer, I am considering what you stated to me regarding the cushion cut...

Do you think a cushion cut will definitely look the same as the Radiant in the below setting , or am i missing something ?? Or any other advise on this subject ?







Are cushion and Radiant the same except for the corners which obviously differ. We need a rectangular cushion / radiant for our setting

Thanks a million
Johnny

Johnny, see your other thread for some diamonds which might suit you, but cushions and radiants are of a different look, plus your fiancee expressed a preference for a radiant. I see many disappointed ladies here whose fiance''s have deviated from the diamond they wanted, personally I would advise sticking to a radiant as that is what she says she wants.

Johnny,

A couple things for you to consider:

1) Your fiance said she liked a radiant do you know why (the outline of the stone, the cut corners?, the bright crushed ice appearance and smaller flashes?), the often rectangular shape? Do you have a picture or know where her preference came from. If you had the inspiration ring or something similar that would help.

2) That setting is made for a stone with specific proportions and you have to be clear what they are. You need to know if the girdle of the stone was in the same plain as the melee in the ring (ie not above the ring) what would be the ideal dimensions of the stone you are looking for in mm? your jewler should measure exactly. You can''t give a range. We need an exact Length/Width Ratio.

3) To undertand the difference in look between a Radiant and a Square Cushion(one type anyway ) see the a radiant ring here http://rockdiamond.com/index.php/jewelry/halo_diamond_ring-1239 versus Square Cushion http://www.vimeo.com/7293728 versus one of the GOG signature cut Square Cushions http://www.vimeo.com/6401615. You can also get a more modern cut square cushion but I can''t find a video for that.

4) You should be sure that your Fiance would be okay with a J or I colored diamond many women are not especially J which may a noticeable yellow tint especially in a radiant and cushion cut. It will be a tradeoff between size and color in your budget range.

I would call it more slight warmth from the radiants I have viewed in person of these colour grades rather than yellow, that term can be scary for newbies and make them think these diamonds will be distinctly yellow when they are not.

I should add also that many women are perfectly fine with J color especially in rounds. Where you tend to see this warmth or tint as suttle as it is is in low light environments, at night, under candlelight etc. The other issue you have to worry about is the color of the melee in the ring. If they are F/G or G/H melee which is pretty standard than the color differences will be more magnified as now you have higher color diamonds beside the centre.
Do you know what color the small stones are in your preferred setting?

 

[asforhim]

Search Bluenile for radiants and there are several in the 1.2-1.5 ct range that have dimensions 7 x 6 or so for under $4500. Most are J color, OK clarity (SI2 or lower) and generally fair cuts. If you increase your budget by 1k or so, you could find what you''re looking for.

 

[johnnykeogh]

Hi all,

I think I have found the DIAMOND... YIPEEEEEEEE

Ok, here are the specs:
Shape: Radiant
Weight: 1.29 carat
Cut: Very Good
Color: H
Clarity: SI2
Laboratory: GIA
Measurements: 7.44x5.51x0mm
Depth: 68.1%
Table: 64%
Girdle: Thick to Very thick
Culet: NONE
Polish: VERY GOOD
Symmetry: VERY GOOD
Certificate No: 1109171702
Fluorescence: NON

Whats your opinion of this one ???
I think this will work with the setting we have bought ?

Thanks

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/5/2009 12:21:11 AM
Author: johnnykeogh
Hi all,

I think I have found the DIAMOND... YIPEEEEEEEE

Ok, here are the specs:
Shape: Radiant
Weight: 1.29 carat
Cut: Very Good
Color: H
Clarity: SI2
Laboratory: GIA
Measurements: 7.44x5.51x0mm
Depth: 68.1%
Table: 64%
Girdle: Thick to Very thick
Culet: NONE
Polish: VERY GOOD
Symmetry: VERY GOOD
Certificate No: 1109171702
Fluorescence: NON

Whats your opinion of this one ???
I think this will work with the setting we have bought ?

Thanks

Pictures please?

You will need to check it is eyeclean to your standards and also ask about the very thick areas of the girdle, these aren't uncommon in radiants so ask how much of the girdle is very thick and if these areas cover a large portion of the diamond.

 

[johnnykeogh]

Ok, here you go.......

Think everything worked out great... she is immensly happy anyway

thank you for your expert help

 

[johnnykeogh]

Ok, here you go.......

Think everything worked out great... she is immensly happy anyway

thank you for your expert help

 

[Lorelei]

Its a beautiful ring, many congratulations!!!!