Question about WF

[anthony187]

I have been learning so much from all of you and whant to thank you all.

I have a question about white flash. I have been speakin with them about there ACA brand diamonds. They look great and sound like the perfect cut. As I was speaking with the sales person he told me that if I were to choose an ACA, that I could go lower in colour all the way to an I or even a J and have the same white colour of an E or F from a lesser cut diamond. This sounds like a BS sales pitch to me but I will put it to all of you. Has anyone dealt with a situation like this? Is this at all believable?

 

[JoeNewbie11]

You can find a ton of information on this site about Ideal Cut Round Brilliant diamonds that are I and J color that face up completely white. This is how many people get more carat weight for their buck. So their sales pitch to you is not BS. I bought a 1.5 carat Ideal Cut RB with I color and it does face up white. In some lighting conditions, when viewing the diamond at various angle, some I and J color diamonds will show warmth (not the icy appearance of E and F color diamonds). This is something to consider about I and J color stones...

 

[Kelli]

Yes, when mounted in jewelry, well cut I and J diamonds will face up white. I have an I and will be looking for a J for my next purchase. TO ME, the higher colors are a waste of money. Others feel differently of course which is fine, but to me, my I color looks nothing but bright white, even next to my friends'' colorless diamonds. I was determined to have a colorless myself, until I saw what near colorless stones looked like in a great cut. Now I''ll never pay for higher than an I.

 

[John P]

Date: 9/3/2008 12:29:11 PM
Author:anthony187
I have been learning so much from all of you and whant to thank you all.

I have a question about white flash. I have been speakin with them about there ACA brand diamonds. They look great and sound like the perfect cut. As I was speaking with the sales person he told me that if I were to choose an ACA, that I could go lower in colour all the way to an I or even a J and have the same white colour of an E or F from a lesser cut diamond. This sounds like a BS sales pitch to me but I will put it to all of you. Has anyone dealt with a situation like this? Is this at all believable?

The cut of the diamond can have a huge impact on face-up color appearance. Remember that diamonds in the D-Z color range are graded upside down viewed through the side because some diamonds' cut proportions result in less color (when cut for optimum light return) or the entrapment of more color (v shallow or deep combos, or in fancy colored cutting).

So no-one is yanking your chain.

There's a pretty cool thread you might be interested in titled "J Color Stones In Platinum," here:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/j-color-stones-in-platinum.24731/

In scientific terms face-up color appearance has a lot to do with efficiency of light return. If light enters the crown and is returned to your eye quickly, with intensity, you see less of the stone's color. Certain crown/pavilion angles get the light in and out of the stone faster, as does optical symmetry. This means less color is seen face-up than is seen from the side; thus the discrepancy between the lab-assigned grade and what the viewer sees. This is most observable in premium rounds because their circular shape and brilliant faceting style maximize light return and performance qualities. Rounds in the top few percent of the world’s cut quality often do appear more colorless face-up than their lab-assigned grade.

Alternately, at steep/deep angles, the light remains in the stone longer (and some of it escapes from the diamond's pavilion), so light return is decreased. These factors contribute to more apparent color in the stone. Taking it even farther, fancy colored stones are cut to ENTRAP as much body color as possible. This is why many are cut in square shapes. Fancy colored rounds generally have proportion sets steeper or shallower than commonly agreed on ‘ideal’ proportions... This causes light to pass through the stone, nicely illuminating the color but not washing it out. Unlike rounds in the D-Z range, fancy colored diamonds are graded face-up, judging hue, tone and saturation.

 

[mirachelo]

i dont have experienced with WF but people advertise it here all the time.

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 9/3/2008 12:29:11 PM
Author:anthony187
I have been learning so much from all of you and whant to thank you all.

I have a question about white flash. I have been speakin with them about there ACA brand diamonds. They look great and sound like the perfect cut. As I was speaking with the sales person he told me that if I were to choose an ACA, that I could go lower in colour all the way to an I or even a J and have the same white colour of an E or F from a lesser cut diamond. This sounds like a BS sales pitch to me but I will put it to all of you. Has anyone dealt with a situation like this? Is this at all believable?

I have ACA stones in my wedding band and they are incredible. From the top view a well-cut J stone will look WHITE. However, from the side or if you are very color sensitive you will be able to see some warmth no matter how well the stone is cut. I would get out and look at different colored stones in person and tell them you want to look at J colored stones that are either AGS O or GIA excellent, so that you are sure you are actually looking at well-cut stones. Poorly cut J colored stones will show quite a bit more warmth than well-cut stones.

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 9/3/2008 2:58:12 PM
Author: kcoursolle

Date: 9/3/2008 12:29:11 PM

Author:anthony187

I have been learning so much from all of you and whant to thank you all.


I have a question about white flash. I have been speakin with them about there ACA brand diamonds. They look great and sound like the perfect cut. As I was speaking with the sales person he told me that if I were to choose an ACA, that I could go lower in colour all the way to an I or even a J and have the same white colour of an E or F from a lesser cut diamond. This sounds like a BS sales pitch to me but I will put it to all of you. Has anyone dealt with a situation like this? Is this at all believable?

I have ACA stones in my wedding band and they are incredible. From the top view a well-cut J stone will look WHITE. However, from the side or if you are very color sensitive you will be able to see some warmth no matter how well the stone is cut. I would get out and look at different colored stones in person and tell them you want to look at J colored stones that are either AGS O or GIA excellent, so that you are sure you are actually looking at well-cut stones. Poorly cut J colored stones will show quite a bit more warmth than well-cut stones.

Ditto! It''s a little weird to say that a well cut J can look like an E, but at the same time, a well cut I or J will face up VERY white and beautiful.

 

[swingirl]

If a stone is cut really well and very sparkly it is reflecting white light so much that the lower color is not as noticeable as it would be in a poorly cut stone. The ACA''s are amazing and worth owning. Of course, everyone one has a different perspective on the color. Some people don''t want to tell anyone they bought a J even if it will out shine and out sparkle all their friends'' poorly cut E''s.

 

[marchswallowbird]

I have an ACA-cut "I" stone from Whiteflash, and it is beautiful.