Question about my AGS cert

[Renae]

Curious why my AGS cert doesn''t have a cut grade listed, anyone know?

And also, is the light performance grading only done on ideals?

Here is the link to my diamond...
THanks!

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 7/31/2009 7:12:39 PM
Author:Renae
Curious why my AGS cert doesn't have a cut grade listed, anyone know?

And also, is the light performance grading only done on ideals?

Here is the link to my diamond...
THanks!

The light performance and cut grade is only on the Platinum report for princess. This one is a Gold report, I believe.

 

[Renae]

Oh, ok, thanks!!
So if it is a Gold report, that would mean that it is an excellent cut as opposed to an ideal, Plat report?
I still don''t get why it wouldn''t list CUT GRADE

Anyone know why that would be?

 

[elle_chris]

Date: 7/31/2009 10:03:22 PM
Author: Renae
Oh, ok, thanks!!
So if it is a Gold report, that would mean that it is an excellent cut as opposed to an ideal, Plat report?
I still don''t get why it wouldn''t list CUT GRADE

Anyone know why that would be?

This stone could still be an ideal cut, but the report that was chosen for it doesn''t show cuts for Princess stones.

If this is a WF in house stone, and it''s not one of their ACA Princess'' they may not use a Platinum report. You should just ask them.

 

[Renae]

Wow, I wish they (the industry) would make things easier for us. It is bad enough to have different labs and their own grading, and even AGS...having different variations as well. So confusing!

I definitly will speak w/ WF, but I just can't for the life of me figure out why AGS wouldn't include the "cut" on the report!!

 

[Moh 10]

I don''t like it either.
I think there should be one report with all the info.

Omitting cut info make me wonder what''s wrong with the cut.

If the cut was good and would have gotten AGS 0 I''ll bet they would have gotten the report that includes that.

Imagine if they had reports the omitted color. (becauase they vendor knew it was a low color)

I don''t like it.

 

[elle_chris]

Date: 7/31/2009 10:33:30 PM
Author: Moh 10
I don't like it either.
I think there should be one report with all the info.

Omitting cut info make me wonder what's wrong with the cut.

If the cut was good and would have gotten AGS 0 I'll bet they would have gotten the report that includes that.

Imagine if they had reports the omitted color. (becauase they vendor knew it was a low color)

I don't like it.

For some reason, whatever doesn't make WF's ACA line doesn't get a cut grade report, even if it would make an AGS0. That's just the way WF works. Or at least, used to.

eta: i just checked their expert selection rounds, and some do come with an AGS report showing cut.

 

[InnaR]

Renae,
I got an ES round diamond from WF couple of weeks ago that had the same kind of report. My understanding that this is a DQR report. The one that lists cut grade is a DQD.
I called AGS labs and it appeared to be that my diamond did have a DQD dated Jan 07 with AGS 000 for cut. Whiteflash ordered that one for me as a supplement to the DQR report that it already had. Now I have both reports on my hands.
Try calling AGS labs.

 

[jet2ks]

The cutters and vendors have a very good idea before sending a diamond in what kind of grade it will get. The Platinum report costs more, so is only requested on those diamonds that are worth more. For whatever reason, this stone wouldn''t have received an AGS0 grade, so rather than spend the extra to get a diamond rated a 1 or 2 on cut grade, they just went with the less costly report.

In some ways, I wish that all the reports were more similar, but on the other hand, having a less costly report keeps the cost of a diamond down slightly, and I''m all for that, as well. Just because it doesn''t fall in the parameters for Ideal doesn''t mean it isn''t a beautiful stone. Since AGS is the only lab grading cut for princess, you really don''t lose anything here vs. getting a GIA report. (and GIA does the same on rounds with the Dossier vs. the full report similar to Gold & Platinum w/ AGS)

 

[Big daddy 48]

If you do the calculations and the math your stone would be considered a good to very good"borderline" cut. If GIA rated it ot would be good if a regular lab rated it it would be very good. I hope I was able to help you out.

 

[Renae]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:07:49 PM
Author: jet2ks
The cutters and vendors have a very good idea before sending a diamond in what kind of grade it will get. The Platinum report costs more, so is only requested on those diamonds that are worth more. For whatever reason, this stone wouldn''t have received an AGS0 grade, so rather than spend the extra to get a diamond rated a 1 or 2 on cut grade, they just went with the less costly report.

In some ways, I wish that all the reports were more similar, but on the other hand, having a less costly report keeps the cost of a diamond down slightly, and I''m all for that, as well. Just because it doesn''t fall in the parameters for Ideal doesn''t mean it isn''t a beautiful stone. Since AGS is the only lab grading cut for princess, you really don''t lose anything here vs. getting a GIA report. (and GIA does the same on rounds with the Dossier vs. the full report similar to Gold & Platinum w/ AGS)

You are right about the beauty and not having to be "ideal" jet2ks. I am embarrassed to say that I didn''t check this out before my purchase. I got so excited about the look of the stone and it''s performance on ASET, etc. And in person, it did not disappoint!!

It is so exceptional. So even though it is likely not "ideal" it is still gorgeous. And I hope that means I got a good deal on it.

InnaR, good to know I''m not alone. I will call AGS tomarrow and hope they have that report for mine as well.

Thanks all!

 

[Renae]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:23:48 PM
Author: Big daddy 48
If you do the calculations and the math your stone would be considered a good to very good''borderline'' cut. If GIA rated it ot would be good if a regular lab rated it it would be very good. I hope I was able to help you out.

how do you do these calculations? I can''t believe it would only be a g/vg cut

 

[jet2ks]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:23:48 PM
Author: Big daddy 48
If you do the calculations and the math your stone would be considered a good to very good''borderline'' cut. If GIA rated it ot would be good if a regular lab rated it it would be very good. I hope I was able to help you out.

What are you talking about? GIA and other labs do not grade cut for princess--AGS is the only one.

 

[strmrdr]

just ignore Big daddy 48 were possible, admins have been notified.
Where necessary post the correct info without a quote.
That will make cleanup easier.

 

[Big daddy 48]

Your are correct about GIA. I was using them as an example because they are extremely strict. EGL and UGL rate them upon request. I am a collector with quite a few stones under the belt! Before you say it UGL is not the most respected lab but if you go directly to the owner you will get an accurate reading.

 

[Big daddy 48]

No reason to be hostile or call the cops! I am just trying to help out and give advise as I know it,that''s all. I apologize if I offended anyone by furnishing you with my knowledge as I own around 60 stones.

 

[Allison D.]

Date: 7/31/2009 11:07:49 PM
Author: jet2ks
The cutters and vendors have a very good idea before sending a diamond in what kind of grade it will get. The Platinum report costs more, so is only requested on those diamonds that are worth more. For whatever reason, this stone wouldn't have received an AGS0 grade, so rather than spend the extra to get a diamond rated a 1 or 2 on cut grade, they just went with the less costly report.

In some ways, I wish that all the reports were more similar, but on the other hand, having a less costly report keeps the cost of a diamond down slightly, and I'm all for that, as well. Just because it doesn't fall in the parameters for Ideal doesn't mean it isn't a beautiful stone. Since AGS is the only lab grading cut for princess, you really don't lose anything here vs. getting a GIA report. (and GIA does the same on rounds with the Dossier vs. the full report similar to Gold & Platinum w/ AGS)

Renae, Jet is right on the money with all the above comments.

AGS offers two different report levels for both round and fancy-shaped stones. The DQD is the premium report and comes at a premium cost; the DQR is less expensive.

In rounds, the DQD report (Platinum) is based on light performance. The DQR report (Gold) also offers a cut grade, but it's not light performance based; it's parametric-based (with 12 pages of charts), which mimics the GIA parametric-based cut grade system.

For fancy stones, the DQD offers a cut grade again based on light performance. However, the DQR report can't include a cut grade because there is no parametric grading system for fancy shapes.

This stone couldn't earn a spot in our branded line primarily due to the pavilion construction (it has four chevrons where ACAs have three), so we knew it would be part of our Expert Selection inventory. As Jet mentioned, we typically know what grades are likely to be assigned and if we expect a stone to wind up in Expert Selection, we request the less expensive DQR so we can offer the stone at the best possible price.

Occasionally, we won't disqualify a stone from our brand until after it has come back from the lab. If this happens, it may wind up in ES even though it carries the DQD report.

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Renae]

Thanks so much Allison! That makes complete sense now.

 

[marcy]

I didn''t know AGS had different reports.

Your diamond is GORGEOUS!!!!

 

[Allison D.]

My pleasure, Renae. Hope you enjoy your diamond - LOVE the size!