Quality round brilliant???

[toozy929]

I have recently purchased a three stone diamong ring. I chose a 1 carat center (GIA) and two, 1/3 carats (also GIA). I thought I had done pretty well, but after reading so much on this forum I''m in doubt. I know the important thing is that I love it -- and I do, but I would like input and opinions from you all if you are willing.

Here''s the specs on the center stone...
weight: 1.00
Color: G
Clarity: SI1 (a VERY, VERY good SI1 - I looked at MANY my jeweler got in for me)
Cut: Very Good
Total Depth: 62.9%
Table: 56%
Crown Angle: 36 degrees
Crown height: 15.5%
Pavilion angle: 41 degrees
Pavilion depth: 43.5%
Star length: 50%
Lower half: 80%
Girdle: thin to slightly thick, faceted (3.9%)
Culet: none
Polish: excellent
Symmetry: very good
Flourescence: none

I know the pavilion angle and depth are not the best?? I know about a "nail head" affect, but I don''t see a thing. It looks bright and white to me. It''s not the biggest 1 carat spread ever, but it doesn''t seem to look small by any means either, as if there''s too much weight in the depth...
I happen to know my jeweler paid $4600 for it. (He accidentally put it with the paperwork/GIA certificate.
Please let me know what you guys think. Thank you so much.

 

[tyty333]

Is the diamond returnable? You could try running the HCA on it and see what it gives you.
If its not returnable then I would just enjoy its beauty!

https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

 

[Lorelei]

Do you have the diameter in MM please? The main thing is if you don't plan to return it and are happy with it as Ty says, or do you want to return it? The diamond is what we call a steep deep with the angles, light leakage is a possibility but if you are happy with it and don't see any leakage then thats fine!

 

[toozy929]

Sorry I didn''t respond earlier. My cable went out last night due to a storm.

The measurements are: 6.34 - 6.38 x 4mm. I''ve had the ring less than 2 weeks, so I can''t imagine that I couldn''t return it. Not to mention as I''ve posted before the center stone in slightly tilted in the setting... I can''t afford any more than I have paid and I definitely want at least 1.00 carat. Is it really that bad? I looked at many other stones. All were G, SI1. I knew it was on the edge in terms of depth, but I thought it was still pretty good. Most of the SI1s my husband didn''t like because he didn''t like seeing the black dots, etc. under the 10x scope. I was happy if it was eye clean, but him - not so much. We knew we had to compromise somewhere to get the size we wanted for the price we could pay. I knew I wanted one of the top two cut grades, and I did NOT want to go lower than a G in color.

I appreciate all your input...

 

[tyty333]

You said your jeweler paid $4600 for it but how much did you pay? I think that we could find you a stone
that is better cut but thats your call. I'll see what I can find and list a few so you can see. Usually when stones
are run through the HCA we like to eliminate any stone that scores over a 2. Doesnt mean the ones over 2 are
bad (they could still be good but need further investigation to insure they do not leak light).

Let me see what I can find that falls in your price range with your specs. I'll come back with an EDIT.

EDIT - all would need to be checked for eye-cleanliness (they all fall under HCA 2.0)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6058/ $4500
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253643.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131 $5120
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-46307.htm $5150

 

[toozy929]

Date: 8/11/2009 9:10:04 AM
Author: tyty333
You said your jeweler paid $4600 for it but how much did you pay? I think that we could find you a stone
that is better cut but thats your call. I''ll see what I can find and list a few so you can see. Usually when stones
are run through the HCA we like to eliminate any stone that scores over a 2. Doesnt mean the ones over 2 are
bad (they could still be good but need further investigation to insure they do not leak light).

Let me see what I can find that falls in your price range with your specs. I''ll come back with an EDIT.

EDIT - all would need to be checked for eye-cleanliness (they all fall under HCA 2.0)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6058/ $4500
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253643.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131 $5120
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-46307.htm $5150

What''s an HCA, by the way?
I paid $1000 more for my center stone than the jeweler did. Is that outrageous or normal???
The stones above are really pretty - of course the cuts are the best, certainly. I really wanted an F, VS2 in my center stone. I compromised with a G, SI1 and I''m not willing to go any further unfortunately...
So you guys are saying that given the #s I supplied from the GIA certificate, my diamond definitely leaks a good bit of light?
Thank you guys for being so helpful.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/11/2009 10:23:51 AM
Author: toozy929

Date: 8/11/2009 9:10:04 AM
Author: tyty333
You said your jeweler paid $4600 for it but how much did you pay? I think that we could find you a stone
that is better cut but thats your call. I'll see what I can find and list a few so you can see. Usually when stones
are run through the HCA we like to eliminate any stone that scores over a 2. Doesnt mean the ones over 2 are
bad (they could still be good but need further investigation to insure they do not leak light).

Let me see what I can find that falls in your price range with your specs. I'll come back with an EDIT.

EDIT - all would need to be checked for eye-cleanliness (they all fall under HCA 2.0)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6058/ $4500
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253643.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131 $5120
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/Whiteflash-ACA-cut-diamond-46307.htm $5150

What's an HCA, by the way?
I paid $1000 more for my center stone than the jeweler did. Is that outrageous or normal???
The stones above are really pretty - of course the cuts are the best, certainly. I really wanted an F, VS2 in my center stone. I compromised with a G, SI1 and I'm not willing to go any further unfortunately...
So you guys are saying that given the #s I supplied from the GIA certificate, my diamond definitely leaks a good bit of light?
Thank you guys for being so helpful.

Holloway Cut Advisor - https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

A very useful tool to see whether a diamond is worth further consideration used as an elimination tool.

Your diamond is facing up a bit small for 1 carat, should be in the region of 6.4- 6.5mm and due to the angle ranges it would not be unreasonable to assume it could show light leakage. But thats all we can tell without images.

 

[toozy929]

By images I assume you mean something other than my own pics? I have another thread on here about the center stone being tilted in the setting. I mentioned there that once I get the ring back I will try to post some pictures. Will that help at all?
Also, is the price I paid unreasonably high in relation to what I said the jeweler paid???

 

[tyty333]

Date: 8/11/2009 12:47:21 PM
Author: toozy929
By images I assume you mean something other than my own pics? I have another thread on here about the center stone being tilted in the setting. I mentioned there that once I get the ring back I will try to post some pictures. Will that help at all?
Also, is the price I paid unreasonably high in relation to what I said the jeweler paid???

Yes, Lorelei is referring to Idealscope images and ASET images. They show light leakage and distribution of intensity
of light reflected.

I didnt know how high I could go dollarwise (before)...so here are some more options in the <$5605,
G or higher and SI1 or higher range. You will need to contact WF or JA to check on eye cleanliness
since more are SI1.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2128403.htm $5535 HCA 1.5

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253615.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5558 HCA 1.5

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253596.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5558 HCA 1.2

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1218721.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5605 HCA 0.9

Sorry, I have no clue wether 20% or so is the normal markup on a stone at a B&M.

 

[toozy929]

Date: 8/11/2009 1:40:26 PM
Author: tyty333

Date: 8/11/2009 12:47:21 PM
Author: toozy929
By images I assume you mean something other than my own pics? I have another thread on here about the center stone being tilted in the setting. I mentioned there that once I get the ring back I will try to post some pictures. Will that help at all?
Also, is the price I paid unreasonably high in relation to what I said the jeweler paid???

Yes, Lorelei is referring to Idealscope images and ASET images. They show light leakage and distribution of intensity
of light reflected.

I didnt know how high I could go dollarwise (before)...so here are some more options in the <$5605,
G or higher and SI1 or higher range. You will need to contact WF or JA to check on eye cleanliness
since more are SI1.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2128403.htm $5535 HCA 1.5

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253615.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5558 HCA 1.5

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1253596.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5558 HCA 1.2

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1218721.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
$5605 HCA 0.9

Sorry, I have no clue wether 20% or so is the normal markup on a stone at a B&M.

Thanks, Ty. My favorite one is the third one. I found my jewelers receipt and it looks like the invoice date for the diamond was 7/1/09 with a due date of 7/15/09. I guess if there''s a 30 day return policy on the stone I probably just missed it and missed out...very frustrating.

 

[toozy929]

Hey, guys. I know there''s probably nothing that can be done, but I just feel the need to vent a little. I am having MAJOR buyers remorse over this center stone. I wish I had known about pricescope before I ever made the purchase. I''m just feeling sick over the fact that I could have gotten a MUCH higher quality diamond online from James Allen for the price I paid for mine. I had MAJOR reservations about purchasing a diamond online - sight unseen. You all have convinced me otherwise, but... There''s no upgrading policy for the future - I wouldn''t be able to afford it anyway considering the story behind the purchase. (My grandfather left us some money when he passed away in March).
I don''t mean to whine, but this was a once in a lifetime purchase under very special circumstances and I can''t get over that I''ve messed it up.
I hope this awful feeling goes away soon.
Thanks for being patient with me as I feel a bit sorry for myself!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/13/2009 10:00:22 AM
Author: toozy929
Hey, guys. I know there's probably nothing that can be done, but I just feel the need to vent a little. I am having MAJOR buyers remorse over this center stone. I wish I had known about pricescope before I ever made the purchase. I'm just feeling sick over the fact that I could have gotten a MUCH higher quality diamond online from James Allen for the price I paid for mine. I had MAJOR reservations about purchasing a diamond online - sight unseen. You all have convinced me otherwise, but... There's no upgrading policy for the future - I wouldn't be able to afford it anyway considering the story behind the purchase. (My grandfather left us some money when he passed away in March).
I don't mean to whine, but this was a once in a lifetime purchase under very special circumstances and I can't get over that I've messed it up.
I hope this awful feeling goes away soon.
Thanks for being patient with me as I feel a bit sorry for myself!

Toozy let me put this into perspective a bit, here for the most part we are all cut nuts, obsessing over numbers, proportions etc etc. Your diamond is a little deep with what we call steep deep angles BUT it isn't a badly cut stone, I have seen MUCH worse! You bought what to you was beautiful, we can't see it but I am sure it is a beautiful diamond! Maybe if you had the chance to do it over you would do it differently but the thing is this diamond is special and THAT is what matters! You haven't messed it up, I have a diamond with what some would say aren't the best proportions but you know I love it and wear it proudly. My Hubby bought this stone for me years ago and with so much love it means the world to me. I would never sell or trade in this diamond not only because it is beautiful ( although not on paper so much) but it represents love, patience ( in saving to purchase it), and the desire of my Husband to make me happy.

So wear your new rock with pride and we would love to see some pictures! I hope this helps a little to know that even some of the major bling hounds like myself wear often and enjoy diamonds which aren't ' perfect.'

 

[toozy929]

Thanks Lorelei. I''m trying - I just wanted so badly to do this perfectly. Not that the stone had to be perfect -- couldn''t afford that. But with something so important it''s a killer to know you could have done better with your money. Thank you so much for the encouragement. I need all the help I can get.

 

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[Lorelei]

You have nothing to worry about, its a lovely diamond!!!

 

[toozy929]

Thanks again, Lorelei, for everything. I went ahead and left a message about the return policy on the center stone. I think I''ve missed it, but I don''t know for sure. I know my question will really irritate him, but if I don''t at least ask I''ll always wonder and wish I had. If he says it''s definitely not returnable then I think it will be easier for me to settle into what I have. I hope that makes sense.

 

[junebug17]

I understand how you feel, my husband bought an estate wedding set for me for our 25th, and I came to find out the diamond has a large table and is a little shallow. I was upset for a few days that my husband had made a terrible mistake and kept imagining I saw a fish-eye in the stone! The kind people here at pricescope reassured me that even if a diamond's proportions and numbers aren't perfect, it can still be a lovely stone and that I shouldn't worry about it and just enjoy my new set. I felt much better after that, and now I just wear my set proudly and think of how nice my husband was to buy if for me. Hey, I never thought I'd own a 1 carat stone, so I'm just happy about that!

And your diamond is beautiful!!! And, like mine, has great meaning attached to it. Of course, if your jeweler allows you to return it you can certainly get another stone that you feel better about, and there is nothing wrong with doing that either. But if not, I hope you can overcome your buyer's remorse and just enjoy showing off that gorgeous ring!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/13/2009 4:55:06 PM
Author: toozy929
Thanks again, Lorelei, for everything. I went ahead and left a message about the return policy on the center stone. I think I''ve missed it, but I don''t know for sure. I know my question will really irritate him, but if I don''t at least ask I''ll always wonder and wish I had. If he says it''s definitely not returnable then I think it will be easier for me to settle into what I have. I hope that makes sense.

It does and you are most welcome!