Princess Cut with Extra Facet near Corner - OK?

[dww]

Hey everyone!

I am looking for some advise on a diamond I found in a local store today. The diamond is absolutely stunning in the store, under both regular light, sun light, and their super diamond enhancing light. It is right in my price range, and I have put down a deposit, I am just a little worried about the extra facet shown in the top left of the diamond. Is that an extremely weak point of the diamond? The diamond will be set within a halo setting, so it will have some protection. But it still worries me that the extra facet is so close to the corner. Please let me know what you think, and if there is anything else glaringly terrible about it let me know that too!

The link to the diamond itself is shown below (I think...Im new to this... ).

https://imageshack.us/i/pb3eBKobp

Thank you!!!
Dave

 

[Karl_K]

The corners are a very weak point on any princess cut.
In general I do not like anything near the corners.
The biggest danger will be damage while setting.
Did you discuss it with the jeweler?

 

[dww]

I discussed the presence of the extra facet with the jeweler. They said it wouldnt be a problem. I am purchasing the stone and setting from the same jeweler, so I suppose if they break it during the setting, then I would be getting a different diamond anyway. I am more concerned about after it is set, since my gf works in the medical industry and is always taking on/off rubber gloves, which means the ring could pop off and fall on the floor pretty easily. But I guess any diamond ring falling to the floor would be susceptible to breaking.

 

[OoohShiny]

If she's in the medical profession I think it could be an idea to have the princess cut for out of work and a plain bad for in work - a big sticky out stone is just asking to get caught on things IMO.

 

[dww]

The setting that I chose sits pretty low. It has the cathedral look, so the band comes up to the sides of the halo. It isnt like a solitaire that the rock is just jetting out of the top of the ring. I suppose if the ring is sized appropriately it shouldnt slip off anyway. Just worried about the structure of the diamond being compromised since there is that extra facet located at the corner.

 

[dawnxcui]

hopefully nothing like this will happen to it..

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/repair-oec-cracked-diamond.206449/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/repair-oec-cracked-diamond.206449/[/URL]

but i think this was caused by a feather and not extra facet

 

[Texas Leaguer]

For some reason I cannot see the image at the link you posted. Is it a certified stone and if so can you post the report?

One of the main reasons for an extra facet in the corner of a princess would be to repair some previous damage.

As Karl said it is generally best to avoid stones with issues in the corners. The biggest risk is at time of setting, but there is a smaller ongoing risk of impact during wear.

Definitely be clear with your jeweler about liability. Also, it would be prudent to have the diamond carefully inspected after setting by an independent third party professional. Sometimes damage under a prong is not obvious.

Consider jewelry insurance when the item is complete. A good policy will protect you against all risks.

Good luck!

 

[Karl_K]

Texas Leaguer,
Weight 1.03
Report # 7173263192

Definitely good advise on getting it inspected and insured.

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Texas Leaguer,
Weight 1.03
Report # 7173263192

Definitely good advise on getting it inspected and insured.

Thanks, I see it now. From the plot the extra facet appears to be pretty substantial. And it is in a place consistent with a repair.

Dww- You don't necessarily have to be alarmed at this, but since you started out the thread by saying this was your concern, it might be useful to know that the stone might have been chipped, repaired and re-certified. This is speculation of course.

The repair most likely returned the stone to it's original state in terms of durability. If you love the stone, perhaps you can use this information to your advantage in negotiating a special price.

 

[dww]

Thanks for the advise. I went to the diamond store and they brought out about 8 loose stones that I looked at, and this one one of them. I have no knowledge of if the stone was previously in a setting and chipped/repaired. And I doubt the diamond store would admit to such a thing.

I would assume the GIA report would be able to tell if it was chipped and then repaired? Or would they just list it as an extra facet? That seems kind of weird to me. I am unfamiliar with diamond repair, so feel free to educate me haha.

If I do choose this diamond, I will be sure to insure it against all types of damage. Thank you for the advice!

Edit: As far as the cost for the diamond, I am tentatively purchasing it for $3,700. I believe it to be a good deal, but only have a few weeks of research and diamond hunting under my belt...and if it is a repaired diamond I feel like it should be given to me for free

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Thanks for the advise. I went to the diamond store and they brought out about 8 loose stones that I looked at, and this one one of them. I have no knowledge of if the stone was previously in a setting and chipped/repaired. And I doubt the diamond store would admit to such a thing.

I would assume the GIA report would be able to tell if it was chipped and then repaired? Or would they just list it as an extra facet? That seems kind of weird to me. I am unfamiliar with diamond repair, so feel free to educate me haha.

If I do choose this diamond, I will be sure to insure it against all types of damage. Thank you for the advice!

Edit: As far as the cost for the diamond, I am tentatively purchasing it for $3,700. I believe it to be a good deal, but only have a few weeks of research and diamond hunting under my belt...and if it is a repaired diamond I feel like it should be given to me for free

You won't be able to tell from the GIA report why the extra facet was put on. It also could have been done by the original cutter to remove an inclusion, although that scenario is less likely. Your jeweler may or may not know the entire history of the diamond.

You could try getting it for free- if you are able to you have very special powers!

 

[dww]

Gotta ask one more question. As far as the diamond possibly being previously damaged. Is it a possibility that the entire corner chipped off and they "repaired" it and put it back together? I guess I had never thought about the fact it could have been previously damaged since the store just said "thats what they do to remove inclusions to get the VS1 rating". I hate having to wonder if I should trust a store or not...grrr

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Gotta ask one more question. As far as the diamond possibly being previously damaged. Is it a possibility that the entire corner chipped off and they "repaired" it and put it back together? I guess I had never thought about the fact it could have been previously damaged since the store just said "thats what they do to remove inclusions to get the VS1 rating". I hate having to wonder if I should trust a store or not...grrr

No, it would not have been put back together. If there was damage at that corner it would have likely been in the form of a chip or small sliver of diamond. This could have happened in setting it or even in handling. (If a princess cut falls out of a pair of stone tweezers onto a hard surface right on one of those corners it can be damaged). So the process is simply to polish a facet onto the rough spot, thereby removing the damage. In the process you lose a little weight and disturb the original facet design but this usually has minimal effect on appearance or light performance.

The comment about upgrading the clarity is a possibility, but not the most likely scenario. That decision would have been made by the cutter in the planning stage and would not have involved placing a large extra facet in the corner. You will have to use your gut instincts to determine if the store is being sincere with you. Please remember that this is speculation on my part, and intended to help you learn what you need to know in order to feel comfortable with the diamond. Better for you to ask these questions now rather than having misgivings later.

 

[dww]

Thanks again for all of the great information. I will discuss the extra facet with the jewelry store. I love the diamond, I just want to make sure it will last for the next 50 years! Regardless I suppose any diamond ring that you drop directly on the diamond could be susceptible to breaking, so I could also be overreacting.

 

[Texas Leaguer]

Thanks again for all of the great information. I will discuss the extra facet with the jewelry store. I love the diamond, I just want to make sure it will last for the next 50 years! Regardless I suppose any diamond ring that you drop directly on the diamond could be susceptible to breaking, so I could also be overreacting.

Happy to help. Best of luck with your special purchase.

If you are interested in more technical info about the princess cut, you might find this article useful: https://www.pricescope.com/journal/ags-laboratories-diamond-cut-grading-princess-cut

 

[Dancing Fire]

No, there are many other diamonds to choose from.