Princess Cut - Advise needed

[beyondedges]

I will be proposing to my girl friend soon and thought doing some research before I buy the ring.
came cross the following three stones and would like to have all your great experts' opinions about them:
only ASETs were provided no idealscopes

stone 1 G VVS2 E/E
6.02×5.97×4.19
D70.6
T71.8

no real picture was provided


stone 2 E VVS2 E/E
6.08 x 6.02 x 4.16
D69.5
T71



stone 3 F IF E/E
5.95×5.92×4.15
D70.7
T71.9



prices are pretty similar and I will likely be using V-prong settings for the ring. any input is welcomed, thanks in advance

 

[OoohShiny]

You see the areas in white? They are areas of leakage, meaning the stone will look smaller than it is because it's only really reflecting light in the centre of the stone.

Have you looked at Brian Gavin Diamonds and Whiteflash? They would be my go-to vendors for 'superideal' Princess cuts. Check out their 'in-house' inventory on their search engines and drop them a line if they haven't got anything that would suit right now, as more may be coming shortly.


Also, to ask the question, has the intended recipient stated a preference for Princess cut?

 

[foxinsox]

Ditto what @OoohShiny asked - while princess cuts can be quite lovely, they’re not very fashionable and they face up small for their weight especially if they’re leaky around the outer edge.
Is there a specific reason for the high colour/clarity eg cultural or mind-clean?
What does the intended wearer prioritise in terms of cut, colour, clarity etc?

 

[rockysalamander]

#1 is the only one with a reasonable ASET, but an ASET and the numbers don't tell the whole story. A video of the stone is important. The photos look like BlueNile, so either you are buying from them or your vendor is using their images. Either way, look on BlueNile and see if you can find this stone.

We can also help you find options if you can answer the questions above and let us know what country you would purchase from.

 

[Dcrafty1]

I’m new and just learning so could be completely wrong.

I started out wanting a princess but for the reasons listed above I changed to round. So glad I did. Also I thought with a princess cut you never want the table to be larger than the depth. The ranges I was given were table <70 and depth no greater than than 75-76.

 

[beyondedges]

Thank you for all your inputs, really appreciate it
The only reason why I am picking princess cut over the others is simply because she told me once that's what she wanted

I did look at WF or BGD selection, but again I am super new to diamonds and since GIA does not really rate princess cut, I was primarily looking for the HIGH color high clarity with excellent or ideal cut, all the other numbers a relatively important, but I find they are very different through out different web sites

I'd like to hear more from you guys and here are the specs I am looking for:

Budget $8000USD
Carat weight 1.15 ~ 1.5ct
Cut EXCELLENT ~ IDEAL
Clarity >=VS1
Color >=H

 

[cxr133]

Are you my doppelgänger . I have been searching for the exact same thing for a few weeks. Now. Have been to all the websites. Ja, Wf, bg, bn, foursquare or whatever, Ed Etc. for thiose parameters I have not found a good stone. Wf. Has a 1.2. I. That look pretty good for about 5400.00 if you want to go for an I.

I decided against that one because current stone is a F and didn’t want to go down that far In color

 

[beyondedges]

same, I dont want to sacrifice too much on color while cut and clarify would be my first picks over color.
AGS cert. is certainly playing a big role here. thanks for the recommandation tho

 

[cxr133]

here is a video i had WF make about 2 stone i was comparing. One being the 1.2 i mentioned above.

Unfortunately AGS-9498006 is not at currently at Whiteflash and was sent back to the AGS lab for re-certification. We expect the diamond back at Whiteflash by Monday, but I will let you know if it arrives any sooner.
Don't know what this means. Do they get recertified a better quality therefore the price will change also?

 

[lovedogs]

here is a video i had WF make about 2 stone i was comparing. One being the 1.2 i mentioned above.

Unfortunately AGS-9498006 is not at currently at Whiteflash and was sent back to the AGS lab for re-certification. We expect the diamond back at Whiteflash by Monday, but I will let you know if it arrives any sooner.
Don't know what this means. Do they get recertified a better quality therefore the price will change also?

Sometimes they recertify a stone because someone traded it in for a larger stone, and they want to make 100% sure it's the same (in terms of inclusions) as it was when they originally sold it. That way the cert is new, and they know for sure it didn't get damaged or anythuh.

 

[beyondedges]

Sometimes they recertify a stone because someone traded it in for a larger stone, and they want to make 100% sure it's the same (in terms of inclusions) as it was when they originally sold it. That way the cert is new, and they know for sure it didn't get damaged or anythuh.

So you are saying there is a possibility people may get a second hand diamond as new? Or they tell you the storey behind it? Is it a common practice? Thanks

 

[rockysalamander]

So you are saying there is a possibility people may get a second hand diamond as new? Or they tell you the storey behind it? Is it a common practice? Thanks

Of course! Some huge, some say > 60% percent of cut diamonds, are pretty owned. If you need to be the only owner, you really only can look at superideal vendors or custom cutters. They can tell you as they know a diamonds history, while there is no way to know from the non-super ideal vendors.

 

[lovedogs]

So you are saying there is a possibility people may get a second hand diamond as new? Or they tell you the storey behind it? Is it a common practice? Thanks

It's not quite right to think of it as "new" vs "used", IMHO. If you think about it, no diamonds are "new". But you can certainly ask super ideal vendors about if a stone was ever in a different ring, etc, if that's important for you. But as @rockysalamander said, more than half of the stones aren't "new".

 

[beyondedges]

It's not quite right to think of it as "new" vs "used", IMHO. If you think about it, no diamonds are "new". But you can certainly ask super ideal vendors about if a stone was ever in a different ring, etc, if that's important for you. But as @rockysalamander said, more than half of the stones aren't "new".

I guess I learned something new today. Thanks guys
Any recommendations as per my perferred specs.

 

[lovedogs]

I guess I learned something new today. Thanks guys
Any recommendations as per my perferred specs.

As others said, I would look at WF a cut above options or Brian Gavin. Generally, look for stones from those vendors that are white enough for your taste (maybe G/H and above), and eye clean (SI1 and above). See if there are any that look good within your budget.

 

[lovedogs]

Unfortunately I only see 1 option in H+ color in budget over 1.2ct, which is this one:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3918690.htm

The clarity is overkill, but the options are slim right now.

 

[cxr133]

Unfortunately I only see 1 option in H+ color in budget over 1.2ct, which is this one:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/princess-cut-loose-diamond-3918690.htm

The clarity is overkill, but the options are slim right now.

Oooh. That ones nice if I can’t find a larger one this might get scooped up

 

[cxr133]

The sarine report doesn’t match is that normal. The. Ags number is the same but the sarine report says it’s a 1.5ct

 

[OoohShiny]

It's not quite right to think of it as "new" vs "used", IMHO. If you think about it, no mined diamonds are "new". But you can certainly ask super ideal vendors about if a stone was ever in a different ring, etc, if that's important for you. But as @rockysalamander said, more than half of the stones aren't "new".

Edited for accuracy

I would argue that MMDs are definitely new! lol

 

[rockysalamander]

Since Princess Cuts are in low supply, do you think a radiant cut would be of interest? They are also not super popular, but it opens up more possibilities.
This is very pretty, though an I color (not sure if that is ok).
http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/124ct-i-vvs2-radiant-diamond-r7222

For princess and radiants, I'd reach out to Diamonds by Lauren. They are fancy shape pros and can provide more options than their website shows.

Casting a wide net...
These two have strong possibility. Two in one day is amazing for radiants.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.41-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4554876 {really nice. Pu ton hold and ask for an ASET if you are open to this shape}
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.43-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5039165 {also nice, also worth an ASET request}

This looks good.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/v/065301404

 

[rockysalamander]

For clarification, I use "popular" to mean available in the market. Not, that they are loved or hated by the public. Radiants, pear and ovals each continue to hold about 2+% of the ownership share.

 

[Wewechew]

The sarine report doesn’t match is that normal. The. Ags number is the same but the sarine report says it’s a 1.5ct

@Texas Leaguer you guys may want to check on this.

 

[beyondedges]

Since Princess Cuts are in low supply, do you think a radiant cut would be of interest? They are also not super popular, but it opens up more possibilities.
This is very pretty, though an I color (not sure if that is ok).
http://www.diamondsbylauren.com/index.php/jewelry/124ct-i-vvs2-radiant-diamond-r7222

For princess and radiants, I'd reach out to Diamonds by Lauren. They are fancy shape pros and can provide more options than their website shows.

Casting a wide net...
These two have strong possibility. Two in one day is amazing for radiants.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.41-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-4554876 {really nice. Pu ton hold and ask for an ASET if you are open to this shape}
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/radiant-cut/1.43-carat-h-color-vs2-clarity-sku-5039165 {also nice, also worth an ASET request}

This looks good.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/v/065301404

the last one looks really good, the aset and all other specs and proportions, I wish it was a bigger stone tho

 

[Texas Leaguer]

@Texas Leaguer you guys may want to check on this.

Thank you for the heads up @Wewechew . This is a trade-in diamond that required some re-cutting. The AGSL report was updated but we overlooked updating the Sarine on the website. That is being attended to now and should be updated shortly.

 

[Wewechew]

Thank you for the heads up @Wewechew . This is a trade-in diamond that required some re-cutting. The AGSL report was updated but we overlooked updating the Sarine on the website. That is being attended to now and should be updated shortly.

Ah, makes sense. I was so confused why the AGS number matched but nothing else did

 

[Texas Leaguer]

So you are saying there is a possibility people may get a second hand diamond as new? Or they tell you the storey behind it? Is it a common practice? Thanks

@beyondedges ,
Yes, we are able to offer a 100% Lifetime Trade-up Benefit on the diamonds we stock without onerous restrictions because these are diamonds that are in high demand in the niche market (ideal/super ideal) that we operate in.

Every trade-in undergoes our full vetting process, including re-certification at AGSL, to verify that it is in as new condition and meets all qualifications and specifications for the brand/category.

We are happy to share the history of any diamond in stock in so far as we have direct knowledge. We understand that to some clients this is important.

 

[cxr133]

https://idjewelry.com/princess-diamonds/

put in the parametes for the OP here and there are some amazing stones for good prices. But says Certificate None for all of them. Is this just advertising?

 

[OoohShiny]

https://idjewelry.com/princess-diamonds/

put in the parametes for the OP here and there are some amazing stones for good prices. But says Certificate None for all of them. Is this just advertising?

I'm not sure what you mean by 'just advertising'?

As I understand it IDJ stock good value stones that perform well, with less focus on GIA and AGS grading reports to back up stones' performance, so 'Certificate: None' does not strike me as unusual in this instance.

 

[cxr133]

OP I have still been checking most of the online retailers have you checked Yadav? looks like they have a bunch of princess cuts on the website., WF not so much.


https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/princess-diamond-1.51-carat-f-vs2-yd4682996

 

[rockysalamander]

@beyondedges

I took another look within you spec and found this lovely choice.
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/v/870426309

PLEASE put this on hold if you are remotely pondering it. There are so few impressive princesses cuts out there that are not super-ideals. If you pass, please let us know. This would suit another poster's brief too.