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GoldenNutz

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little sleep for last few days, i need help on a choice btw these 2, i try to learn as much as i could, found and love this site, you guys are Awesome!! this is what i came up with

1st diamond
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD01262733&keyword_search_value=ld01262733#grading_report

depth 61.0
table 58.0
crown angle 34.0
pavilion angle 40.6
G - color vvs1
ex/ex - gia
hca - 0.8
would cost $18,241 with setting


2nd diamond
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-65352.htm

depth 60.8
table 56.4
crown angle 34.8
pavilion angle 41.1
G - color vvs1
ex/ex - ags
hca - 2.6
would cost $16,873 with setting
 
thx for responding Ellen. yeah really set on clarity. why you choose the wf over the bn? the 1.587 ct looks awesome with the ideal scope. im afraid the diamond will be under some heavy mother-in-law criticisms. again, thx for the responds, u guys are the best!!
 
Apart from the MIL, is there a reason why you are stuck on a certain clairty?
I will not attempt to speak for Ellen, but there is a consensus around here among both the consumers and the pros, that you can drop a level or two in clarity , to either
1. save money or
2. increase in size/carat weight or
3 . both of the above
and you or anyone else most likely will never be able to see the difference in the diamond
Between vvs and vs is will be almost impossible for someone to make out any difference, even under magnification - consider you're looking at this stone in "everday" conditionds, and it becomes almost inconsequential.

But, that said, its all personal preference. I implore you to research some threads and pics on here about clarity and decide for urself, without pressure from ur MIL - after all, it will be ur sweetheart wearing this diamond and you paying for it/being proud of it!
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You''re welcome.

The first has a crown and pavillion angle that are on the slightly shallow side, and with GIA rounding of numbers, it might be even more shallow than it appears. You can do better.

The WF stone actually goes in the oppisite direction, and is just a tad on the deeper side. But to me, it was the lesser of two evils. It''s not a "bad" stone, but again, you could do better, such as the one I picked. And as you noticed, the IS pic looks better, because it''s cut to better proportions.
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When you say "MIL criticisms", do you mean she will ask what the clarity is? or she will grab it and eyeball it to death? Trust me, I own a VS1, and I can''t even find the inclusions with a loupe. And for that matter, you could fib and she''d never know.
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Seriously, there''s nothing shameful about this clarity.
 
thx for responding arjunajane

not really, i guess it would be better? this is the first diamond that i will be buying a diamond, would like to make it a good one. i have 20k to play with.
 
Date: 3/25/2008 9:30:39 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
thx for responding arjunajane

not really, i guess it would be better? this is the first diamond that i will be buying a diamond, would like to make it a good one. i have 20k to play with.
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No. The clarity of the stone I picked is MORE than enough, truly! That''s a great stone.
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Ellen,

you are right, the 1.587ct is a better cut. i only wish it had was a vvs1, but than it would cost more than 20k, lol. im pretty sure MIL will be busting out with a loupe and be looking at it to death. she will also be wanting to see some paper too, im pretty sure.
 
im thinking that MIL will only see that is has to be vvs1 or better and that it is a g color or higher, and that everything says ex on it. she will not understand proportions and ratios. as long as it looks good on paper.
 
Thats a great budget that you have - let the nice folks you know all about all RB''s help you spend it on a great stone!
here a couple i found in a quick search from My personal fave vendor, GOG (Good Old Gold) - 1.6 H VS2 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3676/
1.55 G Si1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4043/
1.56 I Si1 http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4227/

Personally I''m not that well versed on rounds, (like fancies at the moment), but I think the first one looks great!
I''m sure if you''re happy to post ur needs, the very helpful ppl here will assist you in ur purchase - they''re awesome at this klnda thing!
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arjunajane,

i will do some more research on clarity, i just been going back and forth on it, trying to please myself and the MIL. i mean i want a good looking stone with an awesome cut, and the other hand something the MIL would like. thx for the good advices, maybe i can convince her to see it from my point of view. you guys are awesome!!

srry, new to this site, who is RB?
 
Date: 3/25/2008 9:38:07 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
Ellen,

you are right, the 1.587ct is a better cut. i only wish it had was a vvs1, but than it would cost more than 20k, lol. im pretty sure MIL will be busting out with a loupe and be looking at it to death. she will also be wanting to see some paper too, im pretty sure.
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Wha!! seriously mate, tell her to come and read the tutorials here on PS and also on GOG ultimate Diamond info site - Many knowledgeable ppl wil tell you that anything above VS2 is a waste of $$ - she will never be able to tell the difference between an VS1/VS2 and a VVS - even with a loupe!
But anyway, like I said - its you thats buying the ring and your beloved thats wearing it, so whats really most important here...?
 
Date: 3/25/2008 9:44:12 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
im thinking that MIL will only see that is has to be vvs1 or better and that it is a g color or higher, and that everything says ex on it. she will not understand proportions and ratios. as long as it looks good on paper.
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Maybe this would be a good time to teach MIL what truly makes a diamond dazzle. It''s the cut, not so much the color and clarity. Seriously. And she could loupe that ALL she wanted, I''ll bet a lot money she couldn''t find the inclusions.

And yes, my stone at VVS1 will be way more. I''ll help you find one if that''s what you really feel you have to have, but then you''ll have to go down in size.
 
The Whiteflash diamond is a very, very pretty diamond. The Bluenile one could be better or it could be worse. You don''t know without seeing it.
 
Date: 3/25/2008 9:44:12 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
im thinking that MIL will only see that is has to be vvs1 or better and that it is a g color or higher, and that everything says ex on it. she will not understand proportions and ratios. as long as it looks good on paper.
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Heh Heh...just had a wicked thought...purchase a beautiful H eyeclean Si1 in a blindingly gorgeous ideal cut, save yourself a fistfull of
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that can go into stone size or a very special setting...then print up a fakey cert to show the MIL that says D/IF - I swear she will never know the difference!
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arjunajane

lol, i might just do that haha!

ellen

this looks like an awesome diamond, and well within my budget, thx. but i think i will be doing some more research before i make such a big purchase, thx for all your guys help.
 
Seriously. And she could loupe that ALL she wanted, I''ll bet a lot money she couldn''t find the inclusions.

DITTO that Ellen
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Date: 3/25/2008 9:58:31 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
ellen

this looks like an awesome diamond, and well within my budget, thx. but i think i will be doing some more research before i make such a big purchase, thx for all your guys help.
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You''re very welcome. And good luck!
 
but i think i will be doing some more research before i make such a big purchase, thx for all your guys help.

Good idea.
No probs, please do come back and ask for help when you have revised your parameters...As I mentioned I''m not a whiz on the RB''s like many others here, but as u can see everyone is happy to help for a good cause (read = enabling buying bigger, better diamonds) lol.
good luck!
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Hi again,
I will let others weigh in on the specs of the diamond, as I''m not really that informed yet on RB''s. I will just let you know that although they have a good rep also, some ppl prefer to steer away from BN as they don''t provide as much info on their stones as other vendors, and don''t offer an upgrade policy. However, if these factors aren''t important to you, then no worries!
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Hopefully those with better knowledge about the angles etc will give you some opinions
 
Date: 3/26/2008 12:27:35 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
Hello me again,
thx for all the good advice! i changed my criteria and came up with this one, any thoughts would help?

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01193796&filter_id=0#grading_report
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It looks fine, except for the girdle. I don''t like the Very thin to Thick. Those are two levels you really don''t want. Thick won''t "hurt" anything, except maybe make the stone face up a bit smaller. But Very Thin, depending on where that area is, and how big, can pose a possible problem with chipping the diamond down the road.

As mentioned, BN has some nice diamonds in the Signature Collection, and a good return policy. But that''s it. Most of us want more info, and if upgrading could be possible down the road, they don''t have a policy for that. If you buy one from there, just make sure you take it to an independant appraiser to have it checked out while in your return policy.

And just curious, I thought you were looking for higher clarity?
 
Date: 3/26/2008 7:50:10 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 3/26/2008 12:27:35 AM
Author: GoldenNutz
Hello me again,
thx for all the good advice! i changed my criteria and came up with this one, any thoughts would help?

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=btntext_viewselect&elem=img&pid=LD01193796&filter_id=0#grading_report
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It looks fine, except for the girdle. I don''t like the Very thin to Thick. Those are two levels you really don''t want. Thick won''t ''hurt'' anything, except maybe make the stone face up a bit smaller. But Very Thin, depending on where that area is, and how big, can pose a possible problem with chipping the diamond down the road.

As mentioned, BN has some nice diamonds in the Signature Collection, and a good return policy. But that''s it. Most of us want more info, and if upgrading could be possible down the road, they don''t have a policy for that. If you buy one from there, just make sure you take it to an independant appraiser to have it checked out while in your return policy.

And just curious, I thought you were looking for higher clarity?
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Hi Ellen , I think it was his MIL that wanted the higher clarity, not necessarily the OP! Don''t envy that position
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I''m not implying anything at all about Golden''s MIL, but just on topic, I have always been So thankful I have a genuinely lovely MIL...
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Date: 3/26/2008 8:26:12 AM
Author: arjunajane
Hi Ellen , I think it was his MIL that wanted the higher clarity, not necessarily the OP! Don''t envy that position
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I''m not implying anything at all about Golden''s MIL, but just on topic, I have always been So thankful I have a genuinely lovely MIL...
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Oh, I know! I just was wondered what changed his mind.

And for the record, though mine''s not with us anymore, I had THE best MIL a girl could ask for.
 
once again thx for the awesome info!

well, i was thinking that at the end of the day i would hate myself more, for buying a diamond base on MIL standards and not my own, and i just don't want to be that kinda guy.

i might have been to harsh, i understand she just wants the best for her daughter, she is actually pretty nice

would the girdle have any effect on the hca?

i will keep on looking, i think half the fun of buying a diamond is the hunt
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It's nice of you to take what she thinks into consideration, but I understand having to live with yourself. I think you've struck a nice balance here.
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Have fun!
 
I love Ellen''s killer diamond. It looks awesome. I think you and anyone else would be perfectly content with clarity VS2. Buy what you are happy with and I am sure your GF will love it.
 
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