Pls help me finalise this Asscher..

[Mira6]

Hi everyone

This forum is amazing, has helped me with figuring out diamond purchases for past few months, and I think now am finally ready to commit to a shape, which I've realized is my favourite

I have seen an Asscher stone with the Jeweller, albeit without a miscroscope, but to the naked eye, it looked quite good to me. It looks eye clean, and there's a bit of a yellowish tinge, but I can live with that. The price I'm being quoted is about USD 4000, and the GIA report is attached. I'm concerned if I'm missing out on any red flags in this report, as I'm basically not wanting to make a bad investment, as I may upgrade this ring in a few years, and maybe replace it with earrings who knows !

I would really appreciate it if experts on this forum could let me know if they think this price and report is a good investment ? Thanks very much in advance.

 

[BlingDreams]

Welcome, from another asscher lover . In order to best help you, we really need a lot more information:
Photos of the diamond, preferably in various lighting?
ASET of the diamond?
Video of the diamond?
Sarin report, or at least P angles?
What's your budget?
What's your priority in order between color, carat, and clarity?

At first glance that is a pretty deep stone and shows up smaller than an average 1.32ct asscher according to diamdb (6.16 vs your 5.98 )

Looking at the cut class guide, it's a 2B (https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/asscher-cut-diamond)

However, if YOU are ok with all of that and feel good about the stone that's what matters in the end!

 

[Karl_K]

numbers are for the most part useless.
We need images and if possible ASET image and video to help.

 

[Karl_K]

At first glance that is a pretty deep stone and shows up smaller than an average 1.32ct asscher according to diamdb (6.16 vs your 5.98 )

Check that again please, comparing it to real diamonds.
diamdb uses theoretical diamonds with no basis in reality for comparison.

 

[BlingDreams]

Check that again please, comparing it to real diamonds.
diamdb uses theoretical diamonds with no basis in reality for comparison.

Really? That IS interesting. I put in 1.32ct asscher and it spit out what typical measurements were that would fit within good parameters. Where do those come from then?

 

[Karl_K]

Really? That IS interesting. I put in 1.32ct asscher and it spit out what typical measurements were that would fit within good parameters. Where do those come from then?

"Since there are no specific ideal proportions defined for Asscher cuts, an estimation formula is used to calculate the Asscher reference diamond.
Parameters:
Weight: 1ct
Depth: 65%
L/W ratio: 1

Calculated values:
Length: 5.61 mm
Width: 5.61 mm
Depth: 3.65 mm
*Est. face-up area: 28.95 m"

 

[BlingDreams]

"Since there are no specific ideal proportions defined for Asscher cuts, an estimation formula is used to calculate the Asscher reference diamond.
Parameters:
Weight: 1ct
Depth: 65%
L/W ratio: 1

Calculated values:
Length: 5.61 mm
Width: 5.61 mm
Depth: 3.65 mm
*Est. face-up area: 28.95 m"

And so from there they just increase it based upon the larger carat weight? Do you know if that's how they do it for other shapes too? Truly curious. Thanks for chiming in!

 

[scarsmum]

Another option that you might be able to get more info on. You get a further discount for wire payment. I would say that with the usual su’specs’ your asscher pssses muster but you have no info at all about its performance. The price is fine for the stats. It doesn’t sound to me like you love it though. Maybe the board can help you find a better option.

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....D40497933?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

 

[Karl_K]

And so from there they just increase it based upon the larger carat weight? Do you know if that's how they do it for other shapes too? Truly curious. Thanks for chiming in!

yea basically. Don't know if they do a lookup chart or calculate it.
The rounds from what they say are based on real data.
I haven't checked it.
They say all the fancies are based the same way as asschers.
Again I haven't checked it.

 

[Mira6]

Wow thank you all so much for replying so soon, I'm expected to finalise this by tomorrow so I was hoping for responses by then , again , love this forum

@ILikeShiny and @karlk - Unfortunately, this jeweller does not provide such data, where I'm from this is not very common. Even professional pictures are not available, this is a wholesalers so their inventory moves fast without such questions, and also not many people even want an asscher, which is why I'm concerned if this is actually a good stone or something the jeweller is trying to get rid of at an inflated price. I did manage to get request them to send some pictures of the stone, as you can see, the pictures are varied. I definitely love the light in the third pic, but in the fourth for example the stone looks confused. Is this a good look? Unfortunately, this is all the data I have to go with, and any indication from you all would be much appreciated.

Also, I don't have a comparable asscher to compare, but does this stone look small for its actual carat, and also what is meant by a deep stone ? Is that connected to the table and hence makes the stone look smaller, even though it's 1.33 carats ?

@scarsmum - haha you may perhaps be right. Im definitely not in love, but my liking for asschers is making my decision hazy. I think I simply don't know enough about diamonds to know if this is a good deal. I also don't recall being in love with anyone's diamond ever, as I think in different lights. Each stone has a tendency to look confusing

 

[Mira6]

Wow thank you all so much for replying so soon, I'm expected to finalise this by tomorrow so I was hoping for responses by then , again , love this forum

@ILikeShiny and @karlk - Unfortunately, this jeweller does not provide such data, where I'm from this is not very common. Even professional pictures are not available, this is a wholesalers so their inventory moves fast without such questions, and also not many people even want an asscher, which is why I'm concerned if this is actually a good stone or something the jeweller is trying to get rid of at an inflated price. I did manage to get request them to send some pictures of the stone, as you can see, the pictures are varied. I definitely love the light in the third pic, but in the fourth for example the stone looks confused. Is this a good look? Unfortunately, this is all the data I have to go with, and any indication from you all would be much appreciated.

Also, I don't have a comparable asscher to compare, but does this stone look small for its actual carat, and also what is meant by a deep stone ? Is that connected to the table and hence makes the stone look smaller, even though it's 1.33 carats ?

@scarsmum - haha you may perhaps be right. Im definitely not in love, but my liking for asschers is making my decision hazy. I think I simply don't know enough about diamonds to know if this is a good deal. I also don't recall being in love with anyone's diamond ever, as I think in different lights. Each stone has a tendency to look confusing

 

[Matthews1127]

Wow thank you all so much for replying so soon, I'm expected to finalise this by tomorrow so I was hoping for responses by then , again , love this forum

@ILikeShiny and @karlk - Unfortunately, this jeweller does not provide such data, where I'm from this is not very common. Even professional pictures are not available, this is a wholesalers so their inventory moves fast without such questions, and also not many people even want an asscher, which is why I'm concerned if this is actually a good stone or something the jeweller is trying to get rid of at an inflated price. I did manage to get request them to send some pictures of the stone, as you can see, the pictures are varied. I definitely love the light in the third pic, but in the fourth for example the stone looks confused. Is this a good look? Unfortunately, this is all the data I have to go with, and any indication from you all would be much appreciated.

Also, I don't have a comparable asscher to compare, but does this stone look small for its actual carat, and also what is meant by a deep stone ? Is that connected to the table and hence makes the stone look smaller, even though it's 1.33 carats ?

@scarsmum - haha you may perhaps be right. Im definitely not in love, but my liking for asschers is making my decision hazy. I think I simply don't know enough about diamonds to know if this is a good deal. I also don't recall being in love with anyone's diamond ever, as I think in different lights. Each stone has a tendency to look confusing

Forgive my ignorance, but are you not able to look & compare Asschers at this wholesaler? How do you know if you don't like it, compared with another stone? How. Can you make an informed decision when you only have one to examine & observe?
Step-Cuts are truly tricky, and not easy to find for great value.
I know you are in a hurry to finalize this purchase, but you need to be certain this is a good, informed purchase. Afterall, that IS what you're asking us for.
The photos are not the best, but good enough to see that there is a question of liveliness in the stone. The center appears dark, or bare in certain areas in the photos, which causes me to pause....but without better visual aids, it's REALLY DIFFICULT to know for sure.
Deep stones typically look smaller for their carat weight; weight can be distributed in different ways. What you have to consider is SPREAD (mm across the top of the stone), if you are focused on size, and if you want a well performing diamond, with great proportions, flash & sparkle. Pavilion 3 placement (in step Cuts), is very important to a high performing, quality step cut diamond. If the stone is too deep, and P3 is poorly placed, even by a fraction, the stone appears dark, and dull.
YOU are the only one who can truly be the judge of these things as YOU are the only one who can actually SEE it, up close & personal.
I hope this helps to some degree. I do wish I could be of more help, but with limited resources to examine, it's impossible for me to elaborate further than I already have.
In any case, I'm thrilled that you have found a love for Asschers!!! Welcome to the Step-Cut Club!! I, too, love Asschers (and Emerald Cuts)!! Good luck!!
If you DO decide to purchase this diamond, please share more photos!!!

 

[BlingDreams]

Yep. Exactly what @Matthews1127 said.

Do you HAVE to make a decision tomorrow, or do you just want to? And does it HAVE to come from this wholesaler (who has no incentive to give you information that will help you make a great decision) or can you use other vendors? And if you do buy from this wholesaler, what is their return policy?

 

[autumngems]

Also if you find another J with some fluorescence the tint will typically be less noticeable.

 

[Alexiszoe]

You mentioned that you might want to upgrade the ring in a few years, what is the vendor's upgrade or trade-in policy? Some vendors expect you to spend 2x, some only offer it for their branded stones, while others don't have such policies.

If they don't have any upgrade policies, to sell your diamond on your own or on consignment with a jeweler may mean a substantial loss.

 

[OoohShiny]

As above - proceed with caution.

If they are pressurising you into a decision, I would walk away.

 

[Karl_K]

It is really hard to tell anything by those pictures but I think I'm seeing somethings that concern me.
Going way out there on a limb I think there are better ones out there

 

[ringo865]

You might find the stone - using the GIA number - for sale with a vendor who could provide IS or ASET images.