Please..... Rate my IdealScope image

[belle]

Date: 7/26/2006 3:45:36 PM
Author: denverappraiser

Date: 7/25/2006 3:48:01 PM
Author:Guess

3) I''m not saying this happened, my appriaser seems very trustworthy, but...If you illuminated any old stone with redish bottom lighting, and then cropped a circle around the stone would it look like an amazing idealscope?

Guess,

An idealscope image involves several things. First, a diamond. Second, an idealscope. Third a lighting environment. Fourth, an imaging system. Fifth, an editing system. Sixth a display method.

5/6th of this has nothing to do with the diamond and adjusting them will produce wildly different results, even when using the same diamond. Comparing IS images can be useful when the other criteria can be counted on to be reasonably constant, like when the images were made by the same photographer using the same setup, but otherwise its very problematic. Interpreting an isolated image like you’ve asked leaves a margin of error that is so large that it makes the opinion useless.

Attached are 4 quick images. They are of the same stone, using the same light and the same camera. No photoshop editing other than cropping. The only difference has to do with the way the stone is mounted in the tool. Incidentally, the stone is an AGS1. The difference in photography is much more pronounced on stones that are really bad, I just don''t happen to have one handy.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) CGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

neil, thank you for taking the time to show the idealscope comparisons. that was very helpful.

 

[belle]

guess…yay!!! congrats on your new shiny

of course you know now you’re now obligated to post pictures!

please come back and tell us how it looks and how you decide to have it set…also…don’t worry about the painting bit or our little argument…it’s nothing to do with you but if you stick around long enough you’ll understand…

 

[belle]

Date: 7/26/2006 5:52:40 PM
Author: Rhino

Belle ... reread my response bracketed below. I changed one contextual thing.

Date: 7/25/2006 3:53:58 PM
Author: Rhino
The red halo is from the camera capturing the actual reflector surrounding the stone.

This diamond appears to have dug out girdle facets based on this image. It looks to be enough to disqualify it from being a GIA Ex in light performance. You may want to make a visual comparison of it next to an stone without digging as many observers who have seen this do not desire it. Some do some don't. The amount/extent of the digging is not really discernable from this image so it's impossible to tell if or how much it impacts face up appearance.

An ASET image or knowledge of the upper girdle and lower girdle angles would confirm the extent of it.

Optical symmetry/craftsmanship looks to be *near ideal* with perhaps a heart or 2 slightly smaller which is no big whoop unless you're after a true H&A type of stone.

Regards,

Question belle. Assuming this individual posted a stone with an IS image that appeared to have digging instead of painting. Does the above response warrant an attack on my part for dug out girdles?

oh rhino…you’re missing the point (on purpose?) and changing the subject. digging is NOT painting. it is a fact that you have a track record of creating fear about painting and, as others have mentioned, it’s not a coincidence that stones dropped by a fearful consumer due to painting may result in sales shifting to gog.

that’s the point people are making in this thread and others…why don’t you let someone independent, like garry, warn of painting?

i think you could warn people of digging without it appearing a conflict of business interests…and little ol me may even join you

at least it would lift you clear of the thorny position you’re in whenever you say ‘the sky is falling’ about painting…causing people to run into your non-painting house.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Rhino I think Belle has been very restrained and very fair in her post above.

Hope you can move on and find a new religious philosophy that will result in everyone stopping picking on you in the school yard.

I mean - we would all miss the debates, but there would be more time for drinking and other more worthwhile pursuits.

 

[belle]

Date: 7/27/2006 8:28:35 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Hope you can move on and find a new religious philosophy that will result in everyone stopping picking on you in the school yard.

I mean - we would all miss the debates, but there would be more time for drinking and other more worthwhile pursuits.

cheers to that!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Clink*





* I actually dont like guiness - but love the photo

 

[JulieN]

shallow guiness... hah...

 

[belle]

Date: 7/27/2006 8:50:21 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Clink*





* I actually dont like guiness - but love the photo

well, i actually love guinness and i think the photo is especially lovely

thanks for the inspiration

here''s one for you...
the pic isn''t as good but the taste more than makes up for it.

 

[belle]

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

this is my fav

(well favourite beer any way, Drena is my Fav, and red shiraz or GSM wine is what i could do with right now after a bloody hard day)

 

[Rod]

Garry......that picture is making me drool!!!!! Must have a Guiness tonight!!

 

[debi wexler]

Date: 7/28/2006 2:51:19 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
this is my fav

(well favourite beer any way, Drena is my Fav, and red shiraz or GSM wine is what i could do with right now after a bloody hard day)

This is my favorite beer Gary

Hope you enjoy. When I lived in Japan we would say, ''Kampai''.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

We did Camp Pie last night with hot Sake Debi.

You would reallly need beer there at the moment though - I here it is hot hot hot

 

[debi wexler]

Date: 7/28/2006 7:40:29 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
We did Camp Pie last night with hot Sake Debi.

You would reallly need beer there at the moment though - I here it is hot hot hot

Gary,
If you are in Japan this time of the year, yes a cool Kirin is better. If you are in Australia now - July/August then I understand why the ''hot sake''. Have fun wherever you are

 

[RockDoc]

Shouldn''t that be Kanpai?

Rockdoc

 

[aljdewey]

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[debi wexler]

Date: 7/30/2006 1:05:15 PM
Author: RockDoc
Shouldn''t that be Kanpai?

Rockdoc

Hi Rockdoc - by the way I like your name

I studied Japanese at Cornell so the phonetic translation was always spelled, "kampai". Of course, the actual Japanese Kanji looks quite a bit different

Thanks for asking,

 

[RockDoc]

Date: 7/30/2006 2:09:28 PM
Author: debi wexler

Date: 7/30/2006 1:05:15 PM
Author: RockDoc
Shouldn''t that be Kanpai?

Rockdoc

Hi Rockdoc - by the way I like your name

I studied Japanese at Cornell so the phonetic translation was always spelled, ''kampai''. Of course, the actual Japanese Kanji looks quite a bit different

Thanks for asking,

I like my name too...... I constantly get "gee that''s so appropriate" or gee, that''s such a clever name"... Although I wonder why so many people write it as "rocdoc", leaving out the "k" here.

Been using it since I got on the internet about 12 years ago.

Japanese is a tough language to learn. I''m pretty good with pronouncing the common words, and know most of the food names, so I do OK in japanese restaurants.

Writing it though, seems an insurrmountable challenge.

Rockdoc

 

[Rhino]

Sorry for not being able to respond sooner. Been a very busy week for me. Was at JA yesterday, saw Jim at AGS and had a hoot of a time. If it''s ok I''d like to join in this toast. Before I "clink" I''d like to clarify precisely what''s on my heart and mind so any misconceptions are cleared. Please forgive if I can''t get back here as soon as I''d like as I collect my thoughts on paper. BTW its a pleasure to make your acquaintance Debi.

Kind regards,