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we thought a 6k to 8k budget will be best a 11k would stretch us and we have to give up in many things in our very budgeted wedding. Fi and i decide to put most of the money in the ring as the ring is a physical item that can be passed. meromies will only stay in us and ppl come and go, they will forget our wedding as they probably attend at least 10 weddings. So the diamond is here to stay n remind us of our special wedding. Which is why part of the ring budget is 50-50 from each side. so we wanted the biggest bang on our bucks, this store has a reputation of selling budget diiamonds but not for those who ask too much, ppl just come to pick and go. They have cheap promo diamond pendants going at even 60 bucks!
 
Well, you think about it and let us know what you want to do. Just remember, a well cut stone costs more than a not well cut, so you will need to go down is size some, but it will still outshine just about anything (if not everything) around you.
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yes i bought one for my future sistwr in law. They are made up of small diamonds, not very well cut meelee. Combined to get the larger diameter and some bling. Its like a one off promo. So according to them diamond prices r low and so this diamond is so cheap at 7k... They say i cant find it in other stores. Of course we r not comparing online. So her selling point is its cheap and with my criteria on 2 carat n above, i''ve found a treasure. I called up several of their branches n turn them down previously and now. I think i left a bad impression they may not call me for better deals. I may have to keep calling till they found one for me....
 
Date: 6/9/2009 2:13:43 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
yes i bought one for my future sistwr in law. They are made up of small diamonds, not very well cut meelee. Combined to get the larger diameter and some bling. Its like a one off promo. So according to them diamond prices r low and so this diamond is so cheap at 7k... They say i cant find it in other stores. Of course we r not comparing online. So her selling point is its cheap and with my criteria on 2 carat n above, i''ve found a treasure. I called up several of their branches n turn them down previously and now. I think i left a bad impression they may not call me for better deals. I may have to keep calling till they found one for me....
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I just had a thought, does it have to be a round diamond? Some fancy shapes like ovals can give a great large look for the weight, pears, marquise? What do you think?
 
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Hi, Pixie,
Is there a Costco near you? They most likely have (or can get) a better quality diamond for a reasonable price than the one you are looking at.

It sounds like you are very worried about losing this stone and that the salesperson is playing into your fears! I know it can be frustrating looking for the best quality diamond on a budget, but please, please, take your time on this and search a little bit more before you decide.

Another thought: if this salesperson is pushing you to buy the stone, and you really think you want it, offer her a lot less money for it. I certainly would not pay what she''s asking for this stone!
 
i reckon is sales tactics... She tries to secure the deal/commission. If i do not buy this stone, it'll then be passed on to another branch and sold to another less informed buyer. This store profit is low, thus they want to quickly sell off their things, so the sales get pushy i guess, plus they sell off what looks good in the store only,

However i'm puzzled by one thing, i do not know why this fish eye stone looks so dazzling in the store n it score a 2.6 in the hca. Can a fish eye diamond still display arrows? She mention something on arrows. She says if i can see arrows on the so called scope, its a really good cut to get. Is it true? As far as i can recall, the other stone which i missed, the m color vs stone, with the score 2.3 did not appearing as dazzling. Why?
 
that is just the symmetry. Bad optical symm will result in splintery look.
 
Date: 6/9/2009 2:58:12 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
i reckon is sales tactics... She tries to secure the deal/commission. If i do not buy this stone, it'll then be passed on to another branch and sold to another less informed buyer. This store profit is low, thus they want to quickly sell off their things, so the sales get pushy i guess, plus they sell off what looks good in the store only,

However i'm puzzled by one thing, i do not know why this fish eye stone looks so dazzling in the store n it score a 2.6 in the hca. Can a fish eye diamond still display arrows? She mention something on arrows. She says if i can see arrows on the so called scope, its a really good cut to get. Is it true? As far as i can recall, the other stone which i missed, the m color vs stone, with the score 2.3 did not appearing as dazzling. Why?
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Yes a fish eye can still display arrows. Seeing them however is NOT necessarily a sign of a good cut! You can have a diamond without arrows which is a superb performer, or one with strong arrows which is not. The proportions are the most important thing as these are the main engines which drive light return and the diamond in question has bad proportions.

So have you made a decision whether you are going to pass on this diamond or buy it?
 
Date: 6/9/2009 3:07:18 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
that is just the symmetry. Bad optical symm will result in splintery look.
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Thin/ long lower girdle facets can give a diamond a 'splintery' look if you have ever seen one in person.
 
well... i still have not decided as its hard for me to understand and digest all the information. partly i''m really tempted by her sales talk.

after reading some post. i do gather that stones ranging from L to fancy yellow are rarer but those LMNOPQRSTUV colorer diamonds are less desirable. In fact i am tempted to find if there is a Z diamond as it can be a cheap alternative to a fancy yellow???

i''ve seen the M diamond in real life (2 times) and find that the diamond is rather grey when face up... but the store lights plus diamond flash seem to trick my eyes... in fact the store is lighted with many tubes of white fluoroscent light (like those of a cosmetic counter)

so the arrows does not mean anything? ok i''m deceiving myself but i would still want to ask, is there a chance that this diamond will not have fish eye? HCA is an adviser that warns on fish eye. it may not mean it has a fish eye?? (yes i''m stubborn...sorry, thank you for baring it with me...)
 
Date: 6/10/2009 8:22:56 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
well... i still have not decided as its hard for me to understand and digest all the information. partly i'm really tempted by her sales talk.

after reading some post. i do gather that stones ranging from L to fancy yellow are rarer but those LMNOPQRSTUV colorer diamonds are less desirable. In fact i am tempted to find if there is a Z diamond as it can be a cheap alternative to a fancy yellow???

i've seen the M diamond in real life (2 times) and find that the diamond is rather grey when face up... but the store lights plus diamond flash seem to trick my eyes... in fact the store is lighted with many tubes of white fluoroscent light (like those of a cosmetic counter)

so the arrows does not mean anything? ok i'm deceiving myself but i would still want to ask, is there a chance that this diamond will not have fish eye? HCA is an adviser that warns on fish eye. it may not mean it has a fish eye?? (yes i'm stubborn...sorry, thank you for baring it with me...)
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All you can do is to get an independant appraiser to take a look at it, does this seller have any sort of reliable return policy? I would be very careful here as all sales might be final. Look, it isn't well cut and once you get it away from the store you won't often be seeing it in lighting that will make it look attractive. It could just sit their on your finger dull and dead, and you will be worried about the fish eye, if you can see it, if other people can etc, or the colour - and regretting that it doesn't sparkle. I am worried you are trying to talk yourself into it and will spend years regretting it, not to mention how hard you sacrificed to get that money....
 
Pixie, let''s try this. Tell us what it is exactly that you want in a diamond. When you imagine yourself wearing your new ring, what is it exactly that you imagine in your mind? What does that diamond look like? (disregard any diamonds you have looked at with the intent of purchasing)
 
Hi, Pixie,
It sounds like you want the PS forum to give you the okay to go ahead and buy this diamond. In good conscience, just based on the numbers you provided, I can''t recommend this diamond to you without knowing a whole lot more about it (e.g., IS, ASET images).

However, you seem to really want this diamond (maybe it''s the size, maybe it''s the price, maybe it''s because you believe this is your only chance to get the size you want at the price you can pay?) and you seem to want to do business with this jeweler. That''s your right as a consumer. If you are set on buying this diamond, here are some suggestions to protect yourself:

1) Use a credit card if possible; do not pay in cash! If the diamond is not what she says it is, you can dispute the charge with your credit card company. If you can''t pay by credit card, paying in personal check or cashier''s check is safer than paying in cash.
2) Find out what this jeweler''s return policy is and make sure it''s in writing and that she gives you a copy of the return policy. Make sure you can get your money back rather than store credit. Make sure you get a receipt and that you have a record of your payment method (check; credit card statement -- again, do not pay in cash!). Do not succumb to pressure tactics like "why don''t you trust me?"
3) Find an independent appraiser in your area and take the diamond to the appraiser right away. Does the diamond have a certification that you''ve seen? Make sure that the jeweler makes you a copy of the certificate to take with you to the appraiser. If the jeweler tries to discourage you from taking the diamond to an independent appraiser, you should be suspicious about what she is trying to hide!
4) Is the diamond loose or in a setting? If you return the ring, will you be charged for the setting?
5) Look at the diamond in as many lighting conditions as possible; is it pleasing to you? That''s all that matters.
6) Don''t try to talk yourself into this stone if it doesn''t appraise well and/or if you just don''t like the looks of it outside the store.
Good luck!
 
thank your guys...for understanding me well and helping me out in this matter. Yes truly indeed i'm trying to talk myself into this ring... as after viewing it, its relly flashing... honestly i'm really a novice and cant tell whats wrong with the diamond visibly under store lights. i also didnt bring it out to see under normal conditions... but i have to say its really something which i hope secretly differ from what all the numbers in proportion say...

i am tempted because, this diamond face up to be a 2.5ct, something which we cant afford...

by the way the jeweler also suggest another diamond... is this better?

Carat: 2.31(VG/VG/VG)
Color: M
Clarity: SI1
Table: 57%
Pavillon: 63%
CA: 37
PA: 40.4

should i get this instead? or the 2.33 which face up like a 2.5 (T: 64% D: 57.7% CA: 34.5 PA: 40.4 Cut: G/VG/VG) thanks...
 
Date: 6/11/2009 7:46:55 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
thank your guys...for understanding me well and helping me out in this matter. Yes truly indeed i'm trying to talk myself into this ring... as after viewing it, its relly flashing... honestly i'm really a novice and cant tell whats wrong with the diamond visibly under store lights. i also didnt bring it out to see under normal conditions... but i have to say its really something which i hope secretly differ from what all the numbers in proportion say...

i am tempted because, this diamond face up to be a 2.5ct, something which we cant afford...

by the way the jeweler also suggest another diamond... is this better?

Carat: 2.31(VG/VG/VG)
Color: M
Clarity: SI1
Table: 57%
Pavillon: 63%
CA: 37
PA: 40.4

should i get this instead? or the 2.33 which face up like a 2.5 (T: 64% D: 57.7% CA: 34.5 PA: 40.4 Cut: G/VG/VG) thanks...
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DP, really the 2.33 is not well cut as we keep trying to warn you, that it faces up larger than it should is not an advantage in this case as it greatly sacrifices cut quality and a fish eye issue.

The second diamond is better, it is a bit deep but it could be a better looking diamond than the first one.

Look I am going to be as honest as I can with you. The first diamond is a very bad cut and it will have issues. Yes it might show a bit of life in the jewellery store with that lighting but once you take it out of the store it is very likely to be a lifeless chunk which will show its tint and not sparkle. You went to great lengths to get that money, once you have bought this diamond thats it - gone - and as there is a good chance you will be unhappy, you will never get back even close to what you paid for it to get anything else.

The second diamond is a definite improvement so if you like that one then thats the one to consider. What are the girdle thickness and diameter of the second diamond please? It might be a little small for the weight but that is preferable than having a fish eyed shallow pancake like the other one. Does it have a GIA report also?
 
This looks good from the numbers, but will face up slightly smaller.
 
Date: 6/10/2009 8:44:33 AM
Author: Ellen
Pixie, let''s try this. Tell us what it is exactly that you want in a diamond. When you imagine yourself wearing your new ring, what is it exactly that you imagine in your mind? What does that diamond look like? (disregard any diamonds you have looked at with the intent of purchasing)
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Pixie, I would be interested to know what exactly your expectations are as Ellen asked above. If we know that then we can better guide you.
 
thanks guys for your honest opinions. I''m in self denial on the first one, as i''m secretly hoping for a gleam of hope tt e fish eye will not show as i thought things might be different in real life. I''m a very stubborn person in nature. I''m sorry for all the trouble but really thank u all for your input.

The second diamond was a reserved piece by another customer, e jeweler said he''s gonna pay up tonight but he does not, i''ll get the chance. From e numbers it does look more acceptable. But sad to say, i got a call from the jeweler n the guy had bought it.
 
Date: 6/11/2009 9:06:25 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
thanks guys for your honest opinions. I'm in self denial on the first one, as i'm secretly hoping for a gleam of hope tt e fish eye will not show as i thought things might be different in real life. I'm a very stubborn person in nature. I'm sorry for all the trouble but really thank u all for your input.

The second diamond was a reserved piece by another customer, e jeweler said he's gonna pay up tonight but he does not, i'll get the chance. From e numbers it does look more acceptable. But sad to say, i got a call from the jeweler n the guy had bought it.
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I understand, we just don't want you to get caught up in buying it and then spend a long time regretting it. Especially as you mentioned before that inclusions bother you, a fish eye or even the thought of it will prey on your mind very likely and that will completely ruin your joy in the diamond. Plus with the other proportions it is likely to be a dud in real life anyway and not do much in normal lighting.
 
thank you lorelei for your post. I understand from your point of view. After sitting down n discussing with my fi, both of us feel v tired. The reserved diamond was just sold n we''re back at square one. We thought about it and re read the posts. We finally agree to forget about the fish eye diamond. Its hard for me but we discussed decided to buy a better proportion diamond with our budget.

We previously had been to another jeweler n he showed us a couple of well cut gia diamonds. They are 1.67s. They are better cut, color, clarity but just the carats did not meet up to what we had in mind. Now we gave the guy a call and he still had the diamonds. The price is at about 6k range. We''re comfortable with him and decided to go and take a look at the diamonds agian.i guess i''ve to realistic and focus on the right numbers in the diamond.. Hope wwe''re able to work out well with this jeweler as he''s been rahter patient with answering our questions. Not the pushy type. Wish me luck. Once again than you all.
 
Good luck.
 
Date: 6/11/2009 10:24:46 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
thank you lorelei for your post. I understand from your point of view. After sitting down n discussing with my fi, both of us feel v tired. The reserved diamond was just sold n we''re back at square one. We thought about it and re read the posts. We finally agree to forget about the fish eye diamond. Its hard for me but we discussed decided to buy a better proportion diamond with our budget.

We previously had been to another jeweler n he showed us a couple of well cut gia diamonds. They are 1.67s. They are better cut, color, clarity but just the carats did not meet up to what we had in mind. Now we gave the guy a call and he still had the diamonds. The price is at about 6k range. We''re comfortable with him and decided to go and take a look at the diamonds agian.i guess i''ve to realistic and focus on the right numbers in the diamond.. Hope wwe''re able to work out well with this jeweler as he''s been rahter patient with answering our questions. Not the pushy type. Wish me luck. Once again than you all.
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I know it is frustrating but truly I am concerned that you won''t be happy in the long run with this diamond. I think you have made the right decision in looking for a better proportioned diamond, one that even if it isn''t a perfect cut has good proportions and will sparkle and give you beauty to enjoy.

If you like, post the proportions of each diamond as you have been doing and we can take a look for you. The right diamond will present itself, you will see!
 
Date: 6/11/2009 10:24:46 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
thank you lorelei for your post. I understand from your point of view. After sitting down n discussing with my fi, both of us feel v tired. The reserved diamond was just sold n we're back at square one. We thought about it and re read the posts. We finally agree to forget about the fish eye diamond. Its hard for me but we discussed decided to buy a better proportion diamond with our budget.

We previously had been to another jeweler n he showed us a couple of well cut gia diamonds. They are 1.67s. They are better cut, color, clarity but just the carats did not meet up to what we had in mind. Now we gave the guy a call and he still had the diamonds. The price is at about 6k range. We're comfortable with him and decided to go and take a look at the diamonds agian.i guess i've to realistic and focus on the right numbers in the diamond.. Hope wwe're able to work out well with this jeweler as he's been rahter patient with answering our questions. Not the pushy type. Wish me luck. Once again than you all.
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Pixie, I really think this is the best route to take. I would assume you want something pretty and sparkly. Well, the Cut has everything to do with that. So you are on the right track now!
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And I had a thought. I don't know if it's possible on your budget, but what about putting a halo around the stone, to give it more size visually. Would that be something you're interested in?
 
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