please help! will the fish eye show?

[DiamondPixie]

Dear all, I''m still considering the diamonds and my jeweler happen to be able to get another diamond. But i calculated the HCA, it says there will be some chance of fish eye...please help educate me on fish eye, i''m not very clear on it.

Carat: 2.33
Color: M
Clarity: SI1
Cut: G/VG/VG
Table: 64%
Depth: 57.7%
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavillon angle: 40.4
8.68 x 8.7
$7k


OR


Carat: 2.48
Color: N
Clarity: VVS1
Cut: VG/VG/VG
Table: 62%
Depth: 59.3%
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavillon angle: 41.2
$11.5K

Which is a better diamond? Thanks.

With colors like M or N, should i go for all white gold setting? Thanks. Its suppose to be an e ring, my FI and I have a very limited budget... thanks.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/8/2009 7:28:26 AM
Author:DiamondPixie
Dear all, I'm still considering the diamonds and my jeweler happen to be able to get another diamond. But i calculated the HCA, it says there will be some chance of fish eye...please help educate me on fish eye, i'm not very clear on it.

Carat: 2.33
Color: M
Clarity: SI1
Cut: G/VG/VG
Table: 64%
Depth: 57.7%
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavillon angle: 40.4
8.68 x 8.7
$7k


OR


Carat: 2.48
Color: N
Clarity: VVS1
Cut: VG/VG/VG
Table: 62%
Depth: 59.3%
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavillon angle: 41.2
$11.5K

Which is a better diamond? Thanks.

With colors like M or N, should i go for all white gold setting? Thanks. Its suppose to be an e ring, my FI and I have a very limited budget... thanks.

Hi Pixie

This link explains about fish eye

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fisheye.asp

I would pass on that one and the other one is iffy also, with that steep pavilion angle it could cause colour entrapment and make the N colour look more tinted, not to mention that angle combo could leak. Nothing wrong with lower colour diamonds, if well cut they can be gorgeous. As the prices are usually lower anyway, get one with a great cut in order to have a stunning rock.

This vendor often has top cut diamonds in lower colours

www.highperformancediamonds.com

This one might not be as big as you want but I wanted to post it for you to see

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=482

 

[DiamondPixie]

Hi Lorelei,

thank you for your advice. I was at first quite keen on M the stone as the price is lower than the N. Will the fish eye be obvious? i should pass this stone?

i would love infinity diamonds, read so many good threads on them...but i dun stay locally, so its convenient for me to get from them...

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/8/2009 8:02:33 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Hi Lorelei,

thank you for your advice. I was at first quite keen on M the stone as the price is lower than the N. Will the fish eye be obvious? i should pass this stone?

i would love infinity diamonds, read so many good threads on them...but i dun stay locally, so its convenient for me to get from them...

Its hard to say without seeing it Pixie, suffice to say this is not the best cut diamond and really getting extra carat weight is a false economy to me if all you can see is a nasty darkish patch when you look at your diamond at some angles...I know it would bother me and I am all for as much size as possible!

You can work with Wink long distance, he is very used to this if you wanted to pursue an Infinity.

 

[Lula]

Date: 6/8/2009 8:05:38 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 6/8/2009 8:02:33 AM

Author: DiamondPixie

Hi Lorelei,


thank you for your advice. I was at first quite keen on M the stone as the price is lower than the N. Will the fish eye be obvious? i should pass this stone?


i would love infinity diamonds, read so many good threads on them...but i dun stay locally, so its convenient for me to get from them...

Its hard to say without seeing it Pixie, suffice to say this is not the best cut diamond and really getting extra carat weight is a false economy to me if all you can see is a nasty darkish patch when you look at your diamond at some angles...I know it would bother me and I am all for as much size as possible!

You can work with Wink long distance, he is very used to this if you wanted to pursue an Infinity.

Hi, Pixie -- I totally agree with Loreli. The Infinity diamond is priced very well and is cut beautifully. I have been working with Wink long distance and it is very easy! He is great to work with. Give him a call or send him an e-mail. I think you will be so much happier in the long run with a better cut diamond.

 

[DiamondPixie]

Thanks Lorelei, your expert advice is really really helpful. Now i''m having some reservations towards the M color. i will be definitely bothered by the fish eye. i''m a very particular person... i have a diamond i bought myself in a warehouse sale about a 0.43, it is a good cut with SI2 clarity (no cert and pre PS days) ... i would look at the diamond using my 15x loupe at all angles... and it bothers me to see the inclusion... thus i would only go for SI 1 for this time round..

i look at my diamond almost everyday with the loupe and firescope... i think this M diamond will definitely bother me?? when i look at all angles??? high chance that i will chance across the fish eye?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 6/8/2009 8:24:20 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Thanks Lorelei, your expert advice is really really helpful. Now i'm having some reservations towards the M color. i will be definitely bothered by the fish eye. i'm a very particular person... i have a diamond i bought myself in a warehouse sale about a 0.43, it is a good cut with SI2 clarity (no cert and pre PS days) ... i would look at the diamond using my 15x loupe at all angles... and it bothers me to see the inclusion... thus i would only go for SI 1 for this time round..

i look at my diamond almost everyday with the loupe and firescope... i think this M diamond will definitely bother me?? when i look at all angles??? high chance that i will chance across the fish eye?

We can't say whether the M will bother you or not, that's something you'll have to decide for yourself. However, I think we can all safely say the fisheye most likely would, and it won't be hard to see..

If you a "particular" person, I'd really suggest going smaller and getting a better cut and color. I think you would be happier that way.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/8/2009 8:24:20 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Thanks Lorelei, your expert advice is really really helpful. Now i''m having some reservations towards the M color. i will be definitely bothered by the fish eye. i''m a very particular person... i have a diamond i bought myself in a warehouse sale about a 0.43, it is a good cut with SI2 clarity (no cert and pre PS days) ... i would look at the diamond using my 15x loupe at all angles... and it bothers me to see the inclusion... thus i would only go for SI 1 for this time round..

i look at my diamond almost everyday with the loupe and firescope... i think this M diamond will definitely bother me?? when i look at all angles??? high chance that i will chance across the fish eye?

Glad to help! I think the fish eye would bother you by the sound of it, an M colour will also be a bit tinted so if you think that might be of concern then I would suggest GIA/ AGS graded I or better, J possibly if GIA or AGS graded. Really I think you would be making compromises with the fish eye and colour grade for the weight which will not ultimately make you happy. If you can spend 11k then you could get about 1.5 cts or a bit more with a better colour and excellent cut which you could love and enjoy.

 

[DiamondPixie]

Thanks Ellen and Lorelei, both of your advices are really valuable before i make this big purchase..

i have to say, after readying PS, the rings here are so lovely... i love all the rings i see and hope to own one as a e ring one day... however, both me and my FI have a relative limited income... we manage to pool some money by selling some watches so to get this ering... so we wanted a big ring and feel worth it as we have sacrifice a few items for it...

i have to admit that i am quite ambitious in looking for big ring at low cost and secretly hoping to get a decent one out of it... i told my FI that with our budget, we are most likely going to get those rejected goods...

my heart skipped when i saw the first 2.31ct M diamond (the thread i posted a few weeks back) after using the HCA, the result was still acceptable... but i hesistated and at the same time we are waiting to sell a watch before we could get money to buy the diamond... but it was gone before the money came... so now i'm still secretly waitng for a decent deal to help heal the sadness on the previous deal that i missed..

i got a call this morning on the new M diamond but after i heard that the table was 64%, i was rather sad and true enough, the HCA says there will be some fish eye...

like what ellen says, the fish eye won't be hard to notice, especially a particular and fuzzy person like me...

i feel that i'm somehow lying to myself, secretly hoping that the fish eye will not be noticeable and hope that this will be a good deal...

my FI is not local, and he is now at his hometown (in a far country fro US)...we are very afraid of internet transaction as we prefer face to face...the money we had is very precious (sorry... but we have sold a few of our items to get this amount....

)

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/8/2009 8:48:32 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Thanks Ellen and Lorelei, both of your advices are really valuable before i make this big purchase..

i have to say, after readying PS, the rings here are so lovely... i love all the rings i see and hope to own one as a e ring one day... however, both me and my FI have a relative limited income... we manage to pool some money by selling some watches so to get this ering... so we wanted a big ring and feel worth it as we have sacrifice a few items for it...

i have to admit that i am quite ambitious in looking for big ring at low cost and secretly hoping to get a decent one out of it... i told my FI that with our budget, we are most likely going to get those rejected goods...

my heart skipped when i saw the first 2.31ct M diamond (the thread i posted a few weeks back) after using the HCA, the result was still acceptable... but i hesistated and at the same time we are waiting to sell a watch before we could get money to buy the diamond... but it was gone before the money came... so now i'm still secretly waitng for a decent deal to help heal the sadness on the previous deal that i missed..

i got a call this morning on the new M diamond but after i heard that the table was 64%, i was rather sad and true enough, the HCA says there will be some fish eye...

like what ellen says, the fish eye won't be hard to notice, especially a particular and fuzzy person like me...

i feel that i'm somehow lying to myself, secretly hoping that the fish eye will not be noticeable and hope that this will be a good deal...

my FI is not local, and he is now at his hometown (in a far country fro US)...we are very afraid of internet transaction as we prefer face to face...the money we had is very precious (sorry... but we have sold a few of our items to get this amount....

)

I do understand, I really wouldn't try to talk yourself into it as once you have the diamond you could obsess over the fish eye and or the colour and it won't make you happy in the long run. No point having a big diamond if it isn't somewhat attractive! For a good colour and clarity diamond of the size you want which is well cut, really you are talking at least double your budget...

You might be able to get 2 cts for a little more if you could find an eyeclean SI2 clarity - and if you would consider that clarity grade online, otherwise it would be a case of keep shopping around to see what you can find and run each one by us here as you are doing.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 6/8/2009 9:05:24 AM
Author: Lorelei

I do understand, I really wouldn''t try to talk yourself into it as once you have the diamond you could obsess over the fish eye and or the colour and it won''t make you happy in the long run. No point having a big diamond if it isn''t somewhat attractive! For a good colour and clarity diamond of the size you want which is well cut, really you are talking at least double your budget...

You might be able to get 2 cts for a little more if you could find an eyeclean SI2 clarity - and if you would consider that clarity grade online, otherwise it would be a case of keep shopping around to see what you can find and run each one by us here as you are doing.

Absolutely. And that old saying really is true, you get what you pay for.

I know you had a bad online experience, but I would recommend reconsidering. There are many, many overseas customers (including Lorelei!) who have purchased from here with no troubles. If you go with a reputable vendor, I think it would be fine.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/8/2009 9:27:42 AM
Author: Ellen

Date: 6/8/2009 9:05:24 AM
Author: Lorelei

I do understand, I really wouldn''t try to talk yourself into it as once you have the diamond you could obsess over the fish eye and or the colour and it won''t make you happy in the long run. No point having a big diamond if it isn''t somewhat attractive! For a good colour and clarity diamond of the size you want which is well cut, really you are talking at least double your budget...

You might be able to get 2 cts for a little more if you could find an eyeclean SI2 clarity - and if you would consider that clarity grade online, otherwise it would be a case of keep shopping around to see what you can find and run each one by us here as you are doing.

Absolutely. And that old saying really is true, you get what you pay for.

I know you had a bad online experience, but I would recommend reconsidering. There are many, many overseas customers (including Lorelei!) who have purchased from here with no troubles. If you go with a reputable vendor, I think it would be fine.

 

[DiamondPixie]

Hi Ellen and Lorelei,

UPDATES!!!!

I''ve seent the diamond IRL... its gorgeous... but of course i bared in mind the store lights. but i have to say that the large table is really sending in a lot of light... the glares are really big and the flashes of light is really bold... the store dun really have the scope... they have something that look like a scope but when i view it... it is a large dark centre... ( what does this mean??)

I was so tempted to get it... but decided to hold back... i dun really know what is FISH EYE... but when i tilt it i do saw some rim circle like thing around the centre... again... the store lights and the flashes of light thru my eyes... i''m not trained to see fish eye...

so i did a search and saw this post that Garry has made... i wonder if he could do some input...

link---> topic on shallow and deep...

Garry said something like that:
"For a crown angle of 34.5 and table 57% a 39 degree pav is a fish eye.
The same level of fish eye is achievable with a 40.75 pavilion and a 69% table.
The same amount of fish eye occours at 40 pav and 64% table."

my specs are 64% table and the pavillon angle is 40.4... will the 0.4 make any difference? the rim thing i saw when tilted... is it a fisheye??? If it is... why is the diamond still flashing???

Sorry for so many qns... thanks...

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 8:08:31 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Hi Ellen and Lorelei,

UPDATES!!!!

I've seent the diamond IRL... its gorgeous... but of course i bared in mind the store lights. but i have to say that the large table is really sending in a lot of light... the glares are really big and the flashes of light is really bold... the store dun really have the scope... they have something that look like a scope but when i view it... it is a large dark centre... ( what does this mean??) Leakage or the fish eye.

I was so tempted to get it... but decided to hold back... i dun really know what is FISH EYE... but when i tilt it i do saw some rim circle like thing around the centre... again... the store lights and the flashes of light thru my eyes... i'm not trained to see fish eye...Sounds like the fish eye.

so i did a search and saw this post that Garry has made... i wonder if he could do some input...

link---> topic on shallow and deep...

Garry said something like that:
'For a crown angle of 34.5 and table 57% a 39 degree pav is a fish eye.
The same level of fish eye is achievable with a 40.75 pavilion and a 69% table.
The same amount of fish eye occours at 40 pav and 64% table.'

my specs are 64% table and the pavillon angle is 40.4... will the 0.4 make any difference? the rim thing i saw when tilted... is it a fisheye??? If it is... why is the diamond still flashing??? A diamond can still sparkle and show a fish eye. There are various proportion combos which can result in a fish eye as quoted from Garry above in pink, the HCA will alert you to these as you have discovered.

Sorry for so many qns... thanks...

 

[Ellen]

Ditto Lorelei, sounds like leakage/fisheye. Also, a diamond really isn''t supposed to put off huge "glare", that''s not such a good thing, and it''s because the table is so large. Any "beauty" you might see in the store under their lights, will almost assuredly be gone once you got it out in real life.

 

[DiamondPixie]

Thanks Lorelei and Ellen for your patience and replies. I really appreciate it and it really helps me to clear my doubts. The jeweler does not know much about diamond being too shallow or being to deep or fish eye. her selling point it that it is big and sparkling.


so if the fish eye diamond still can spark... why is it still not desireable amongst many?

if this diamond is a fish eye and it still sparkles like mad.. could it be store lights? when i view it in normal lighting will the fish eye effect be worst? Thanks.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 9:10:58 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
Thanks Lorelei and Ellen for your patience and replies. I really appreciate it and it really helps me to clear my doubts. The jeweler does not know much about diamond being too shallow or being to deep or fish eye. her selling point it that it is big and sparkling.


so if the fish eye diamond still can spark... why is it still not desireable amongst many?

if this diamond is a fish eye and it still sparkles like mad.. could it be store lights? when i view it in normal lighting will the fish eye effect be worst? Thanks.

Because fish eyes are generally the result of undesirable cut proportions such as a shallow pavilion angle, large table and thick girdle, and a fish eye is unattractive in itself. Yes store lights can make most diamonds even of poor cut sparkle, they are designed to do that - however once you take it outside as Ellen says, any beauty will be gone....

 

[DiamondPixie]

thanks lorelei, i think the real performance starts outside the store. I didnt really have a chancw to bring out the store to judge the fish eye. Does fish eye show under normal light conditions v obviously? Plus this is a good cut, a good cut meant not as good as vg? Cos the jeweler kept saying a good cut really good enough n its giving all the burst of color. Is a good cut grade by gia considered well? Any diff btw ex and vg? Is e difference visible? Thanks.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 11:47:19 AM
Author: DiamondPixie
thanks lorelei, i think the real performance starts outside the store. I didnt really have a chancw to bring out the store to judge the fish eye. Does fish eye show under normal light conditions v obviously? Plus this is a good cut, a good cut meant not as good as vg? Cos the jeweler kept saying a good cut really good enough n its giving all the burst of color. Is a good cut grade by gia considered well? Any diff btw ex and vg? Is e difference visible? Thanks.

The above highlighted statement is absolutely right. Fish eyes can be seen more when the diamond is tilted in some cases, really this diamond is badly cut and I think if you bought it you would not be happy. It is too much of a sacrifice for the size to have all these issues, then if you did buy it and wanted to unload it you would find it extremely difficult.

A Good cut/ Very Good cut depends on the proportions and other issues if we are discussing GIA cut grades, again the diamond in question is not well cut regardless of any cut grade given to it. It is what it is, either it is attractive enough to you that you take a chance on it and hope you will love it, or you will walk away. I know what I would do. Honestly having a lifeless lump of rock on your finger is not a good way to enjoy diamonds.

 

[DiamondPixie]

lorelei, thanks for your reply. I really appreciate your patience. I went to the store this evening and the jeweler said the exact opposite from what u said. She said so many good things abt this diamond and as a novice, i''m totally confused. So thank u for really being frank. I told her i need time but she show a little displeasure n say it''ll fly off shelve if i go back tomorrow. I was reluctant to walk out the shop n was v sad when i left.

Before i left, she kept saying tt a gia good cut is really a good deal,, it means its a well cut diamond and its not fair. She also said tt the diamond is so sparkling n there''s no fisheye. I told her tt i thought i saw some fisheye, she doesn''t seem to understand.. She kept harping on how brillant the diamond is,n ask me to see for myself, after so much talking, i thought its so sparkling.. I told her the diamond might b too shallow? But she says its a good cut grade n its definitely not shallow. I''m so confused by her words now..

with my small budget, all i expect now is a decent proportion diamond (i''m open to any color but at least a si1). Is it near impossible tt cheap diamonds can have decent proportions tt fall within tic or fic range in the hca cut adviser? Thank u so so so so much.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 6/9/2009 12:37:28 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
lorelei, thanks for your reply. I really appreciate your patience. I went to the store this evening and the jeweler said the exact opposite from what u said. She said so many good things abt this diamond and as a novice, i''m totally confused. So thank u for really being frank. I told her i need time but she show a little displeasure n say it''ll fly off shelve if i go back tomorrow. I was reluctant to walk out the shop n was v sad when i left.

Before i left, she kept saying tt a gia good cut is really a good deal,, it means its a well cut diamond and its not fair. She also said tt the diamond is so sparkling n there''s no fisheye. I told her tt i thought i saw some fisheye, she doesn''t seem to understand.. She kept harping on how brillant the diamond is,n ask me to see for myself, after so much talking, i thought its so sparkling.. I told her the diamond might b too shallow? But she says its a good cut grade n its definitely not shallow. I''m so confused by her words now..

with my small budget, all i expect now is a decent proportion diamond (i''m open to any color but at least a si1). Is it near impossible tt cheap diamonds can have decent proportions tt fall within tic or fic range in the hca cut adviser? Thank u so so so so much.

D, I''m going to be brutally honest, because this needs to be said. She told you this because the diamond is a piece of poop, and it''s going to be hard to get someone to buy it. (IF it''s so great, why hasn''t it already "flown off the shelf"??) As you said, you are a novice, and sweetie, she knows this, and that''s why she''s trying so hard with you. Please, walk away from this stone. You can do better. Definitely.


Are you positive you can''t/won''t consider online? Lore and I would hold your hand through the whole thing, promise!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 12:45:15 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 6/9/2009 12:37:28 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
lorelei, thanks for your reply. I really appreciate your patience. I went to the store this evening and the jeweler said the exact opposite from what u said. She said so many good things abt this diamond and as a novice, i''m totally confused. So thank u for really being frank. I told her i need time but she show a little displeasure n say it''ll fly off shelve if i go back tomorrow. I was reluctant to walk out the shop n was v sad when i left.

Before i left, she kept saying tt a gia good cut is really a good deal,, it means its a well cut diamond and its not fair. She also said tt the diamond is so sparkling n there''s no fisheye. I told her tt i thought i saw some fisheye, she doesn''t seem to understand.. She kept harping on how brillant the diamond is,n ask me to see for myself, after so much talking, i thought its so sparkling.. I told her the diamond might b too shallow? But she says its a good cut grade n its definitely not shallow. I''m so confused by her words now..

with my small budget, all i expect now is a decent proportion diamond (i''m open to any color but at least a si1). Is it near impossible tt cheap diamonds can have decent proportions tt fall within tic or fic range in the hca cut adviser? Thank u so so so so much.

D, I''m going to be brutally honest, because this needs to be said. She told you this because the diamond is a piece of poop, and it''s going to be hard to get someone to buy it. (IF it''s so great, why hasn''t it already ''flown off the shelf''??) As you said, you are a novice, and sweetie, she knows this, and that''s why she''s trying so hard with you. Please, walk away from this stone. You can do better. Definitely.


Are you positive you can''t/won''t consider online? Lore and I would hold your hand through the whole thing, promise!

Ditto Ellen!!! She is absolutely right D. And yes Ellen and I would be pleased to help you find a diamond you would love, even if it is a lower colour thats ok if the cut is great.

Or if you are absolutely set on buying from a store, keep looking and whenever you find some contenders post the details and we will always take a look for you.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Diamond Pixie, the sales person sounds like someone trying to make a sale and scare you into buying their diamond. I hate pressure tactics of any kind, and she sounded like she was using them all. There are five cut grades in GIA: Poor, Fair, Good, Very good, and Excellent. I have seen the top three in person and I am patently unimpressed with Good. I have also heard jewelers talk about cut grade and say, "You only need Good or Very good at the most!" I suspect that they might get a better markup on those cut grades than on Excellent/Ideal cut grades. Also, Ideal faces up smaller because an ideal cut carries more weight in the depth so it has a little less diameter, and I suspect that many clients only care about diameter and not about light performance. This is a perspective on diamonds I simply do not understand.

BUT you need to figure out where your own priorities lie. If you want a large diamond and don't care about cut, then get whatever diamond you can afford! It will indeed be large and people will probably notice how big it is and comment. But it will show more color because a Good cut stone will not reflect as much light as an Excellent cut stone and hence more of the diamond's body color will show, especially if it isn't kept clean. So you will have a large and lifeless diamond that is noticable tinted. Doesn't sounds like a deal to me! But, again, only you can decide where your priorities lie! Just know that there is probably not one person on PS who will give their wholehearted blessing for buying a Good cut diamond... in general around here we like ideal cuts because that is the point of diamonds! To reflect light and to sparkle and basically be a piece of art and science glowing on the finger.

Last comment, your notions of cheap and budget size are interesting to me... from my perspective, you have a very large budget! What is it anyways, is it $7000 or $11000? Most people spend much less then either of those numbers on their diamonds. So I tihnk you are in a great position to get an amazing diamond. I like warmth and would get the largest IDEAL CUT J-K color diamond I could afford. I have no seen an ideal cut M, but my K is a little warm for me sometimes so I am not sure I personally would go that low.

Have you thought about buying from a place with an upgrade policy? Get the 1.5ct ideal you can afford now and tade up to a 2ct later!

ETA Let Ellen and Lor help you, they are great and generous ladies! Or, at least find another jeweler who knows a little about diamonds and takes some pride in what they sell. Shop around! Enjoy yourself!

 

[DiamondPixie]

thanks ellen n lorelei for your support all along this way. I know i'm trying to convince myself into this deal. after reading all the post, i guess its sales tatics in tryin to close the deal. she even called me on my mobile n started coaxing me all over. I'm confused hearing from her again n its making me lost.

The jeweler i went to sells diamonds at budget price and it appeals to those low to middle income citizens with shallow pockets like us, but at the same time able to enjoy some touch of class. So most of us r not highly educated n would trust our eyes in the store. So some innoccent middle age woman might be their target. Then mayb this diamond mayb sold to another person who do not know pricescope.so i was lucky enough to come across this forum while surfing online. I try digesting all the information but i got lost in the numbers part, its not easy and u guys must have seen a lot to get to this level. thanks for assuring me that its safe to go online, i read so many success stories and i really wan to. But i ask my fi, he prefers face to face. I nearly tear n quarrelled on this matter n i think he's quite firm on it. Even when selling our watch, he refuse to deal with oversea trasaction, he prefers face to face. We even sold the watch at a lost...
Thank u all for your generous help. me and fi are so clueless on diamonds.
i didnt really know how to interpret the hca well enough to make a good decision. All the results shows vg except for the fish eye statement.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 1:14:45 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
thanks ellen n lorelei for your support all along this way. I know i''m trying to convince myself into this deal. after reading all the post, i guess its sales tatics in tryin to close the deal. she even called me on my mobile n started coaxing me all over. I''m confused hearing from her again n its making me lost.

The jeweler i went to sells diamonds at budget price and it appeals to those low to middle income citizens with shallow pockets like us, but at the same time able to enjoy some touch of class. So most of us r not highly educated n would trust our eyes in the store. So some innoccent middle age woman might be their target. Then mayb this diamond mayb sold to another person who do not know pricescope.so i was lucky enough to come across this forum while surfing online. I try digesting all the information but i got lost in the numbers part, its not easy and u guys must have seen a lot to get to this level. thanks for assuring me that its safe to go online, i read so many success stories and i really wan to. But i ask my fi, she
i didnt really know how to interpret the hca well enough to make a good decision. All the results shows vg except for the fish eye statement.

Yikes! She is keen for you to buy that diamond, I thought she said it would '' fly off the shelf..."

I think we have all tried to talk ourselves into deals before ( I know I have) but I think your gut is telling you it isn''t a good move. You have a good budget that you have both sacrificed for, you want to be able to spend it wisely and love your ring.

Yes Ellen and I have been doing this a long time and have learned a lot, we get a great deal of pleasure from helping others and it takes a while to get to grips with some of this stuff. We are very experienced in helping all kinds of buyers find what they want, sometimes it can be a challenge but at the very least we can help buyers be informed and make their purchasing decision with their eyes open.

It is indeed safe to buy online if you deal with trusted vendors, no worries at all. It can take a leap of faith but many of us have done so with excellent results and would do so again in a heartbeat - but it is up to your comfort level. If you can''t find what you want in the stores then rather than just grabbing a diamond, maybe have a look online to see what you could get?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 6/9/2009 1:23:00 PM
Author: Lorelei

Yikes! She is keen for you to buy that diamond, I thought she said it would '' fly off the shelf...''

I think we have all tried to talk ourselves into deals before ( I know I have) but I think your gut is telling you it isn''t a good move. You have a good budget that you have both sacrificed for, you want to be able to spend it wisely and love your ring.

Yes Ellen and I have been doing this a long time and have learned a lot, we get a great deal of pleasure from helping others and it takes a while to get to grips with some of this stuff. We are very experienced in helping all kinds of buyers find what they want, sometimes it can be a challenge but at the very least we can help buyers be informed and make their purchasing decision with their eyes open.

It is indeed safe to buy online if you deal with trusted vendors, no worries at all. It can take a leap of faith but many of us have done so with excellent results and would do so again in a heartbeat - but it is up to your comfort level. If you can''t find what you want in the stores then rather than just grabbing a diamond, maybe have a look online to see what you could get?

Yes, this is key! And it does take a leap of faith, especially if you''ve been burned before. But, there are good, decent, honest vendors who can help you find a good stone, and of course Lore and I will be here too. I just know you can find something nice. And you deserve it.

 

[Lorelei]

I found this beauty, L colour VS2 with strong blue fluorescence, a bit over the 11k budget but I just wanted to throw it out there

http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/index.php?page=view-id-diamond-infinity&id=534

 

[DiamondPixie]

we thought a 6k to 8k budget will be best a 11k would stretch us and we have to give up in many things in our very budgeted wedding. Fi and i decide to put most of the money in the ring as the ring is a physical item that can be passed. meromies will only stay in us and ppl come and go, they will forget our wedding as they probably attend at least 10 weddings. So the diamond is here to stay n remind us of our special wedding. Which is why part of the ring budget is 50-50 from each side. so we wanted the biggest bang on our bucks, this store has a reputation of selling budget diiamonds but not for those who ask too much, ppl just come to pick and go. They have cheap promo diamond pendants going at even 60 bucks!

 

[stone-cold11]

OP, where are you located? Maybe there is an Infinity Dealer near you? If so, the HPD stone can be call in to that store and you can view the stone in person.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 6/9/2009 1:49:38 PM
Author: DiamondPixie
we thought a 6k to 8k budget will be best a 11k would stretch us and we have to give up in many things in our very budgeted wedding. Fi and i decide to put most of the money in the ring as the ring is a physical item that can be passed. meromies will only stay in us and ppl come and go, they will forget our wedding as they probably attend at least 10 weddings. So the diamond is here to stay n remind us of our special wedding. Which is why part of the ring budget is 50-50 from each side. so we wanted the biggest bang on our bucks, this store has a reputation of selling budget diiamonds but not for those who ask too much, ppl just come to pick and go. They have cheap promo diamond pendants going at even 60 bucks!

Ok well scratch the one above then with the budget. PENDANTS FOR 60 BUCKS??? WITH DIAMONDS IN???