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Hello everyone, bought a RB 1.01ct from JA...here is the idealscope (1442968id)

on the GIA report, the grade is due to a cloud on one of the facets.. i was told it was eye clean, but i can spot it quiet easily..todl my fiance about it, now she can see it as well

a second stone that i may upgrade to is (1444580id)

the upgrade is same color (g) /cut (ex) / HCA less than 2.0, but the idealscope looks a tad bit lighter than the stone i currently have. should i be concerned??

the hca rated the first stone which i bought at exc, vg, vg, vg
the new stone hca tool rated is exc,exc,exc,vg

i now have 60 days to act..please help!

thnx

1442968id.jpg

1444580id.jpg
 
forgot to mention..first stone is SI2, second is SI1

thnx
 
thanks
 
The second one looks pretty good, the IS is more than adequate! I think that you will likely not be able to tell that diamond apart from the first. hope it will work out!

This is part of the challenge with SI2 stones. If you have good eye sight, most of the time you can find the inclusion if you really look for it! My advice if you want SI2 stones is to find one with an inclusion on the periphery that can be covered by a prong. You can alos drop color if you wanted to save some money and get better clarity.
 
yeah i have pretty decent eye sight..its pretty easy to spot and just gives a dulling effect.

id like to stay white color..going from G to H would i notice..i just want it to be EYE CLEAN . my eyes. lol
 
I agree that it should be fine! But by all means have them look at this one carefully even from the sides so you don't have the inconvenience of returning another stone!
 
should i be concerned with the white spots on table of idealscope?
 
second stone looks great! As long as it is eyeclean, I would consider trading in- if you can see the cloud nto and it bothers you then it probably would continue to do so in the days, weeks, years to come...
 
thank you all for the kind words.. i have the 2nd stone on hold..will wait until tomorrow as other stones they have put on hold for me as well.

on the second stone, the idealscope looks a little bit grey/pinkish near the table..is this light leakage? i assume so after doing research, should i be concerned or just go for it?

im still searching for others as i'm within my 60 day return period
 
The stone looks good. Twining wisps can be good inclusions. But you must ask them to examine it closely from top and sides and tell you from what distance it is eyeclean.
 
just sent over my Q's to the gemologist..i dont mind that a diamond has inclusions, but to me, when i can spot the cloud from 18+ inchs face down, id say that is a deal breaker. other than that, the diamond i currently have is beautiful, great light return/sparkle/etc..just the cloud is not prongable and must kills that part of the stone...everytime i look at it you can notice it..

i spoke with my fiance, and she can see it as well..so we both agreed to try to get 1 that just is a bit more 'mind' clean..hope i dont make the wrong move. my fiance said she loves it, and has agreed to exchange it, only for somthing better (of coarse) lol...i told her not too worry..going from si2 to si1 might not be that much of an upgrade, but may in our minds get rid of the cloud that now i'm sure she can spot everytime she is looking at it..i know everytime i see the dimaond, its the first thing that i see :(
 
Good call. If you see ye inclusion and it bothers you, and is not prongable then exchange for a stone better suited to your needs/taste
 
Forgot to answer one of your questions....no, you shouldn't be able to detect leakage. And I think going from SI2 to SI1 is a good upgrade as long as it is eyeclean!
 
diamondseeker2006|1331569372|3146893 said:
Forgot to answer one of your questions....no, you shouldn't be able to detect leakage. And I think going from SI2 to SI1 is a good upgrade as long as it is eyeclean!
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the 2nd idealscope on the first post of this thread..1444580, shows a lot of white in the table..comparatively to the 1st stone (i currently own)..

by definition, isn't the idealscope showing the light leakage?

sorry, but the 2nd stone is around $700 more, and i would rather consider another stone if this is an issue at all..i have a few others on hold awaiting idealscopes..will post them when i get
 
Technically, yes, the second stone is showing a very minute amount of "leakage" under the table. In real life with binocular vision, it is most likely not detectable to the eye. There is also error in IS images that introduces variations like that; it is after all a photograph taken by a person who may have been rushing.

DS and I are both cut nuts. We are telling you that this IS image is fine ;)) The *only* reason to go another route is for "mind clean" reasons, not concrete, real reasons.

ETA: The second stone above will have a different optical flavour than the first, given its short lower girldes (do you see the fatter arrows?). THAT will likely account for much more of any observale differences than will "leakage".
 
the fatter arrows i am assuming with offer a more chunky light return? my current stone returns great sparkle..
 
i have narrowed it down to these three stones which i think will be nicer than the current one i have with the cloud issue

#1.(awaiting idealscope)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1461961.asp
G, SI1, cut pol sym all EXC

measurements 6.41 x 6.43x3.96
1.02 ct
table 58
depth 61.7
crown 34
pav 40.8
lower girdle 75

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

#2 (awaiting idealscope)
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1472009.asp
measurements 6.45 x 6.49x4.02
1.02 ct
table 54.2
depth 62.2
crown 35.2
pav 40.8
lower girdle 78

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

and then diamond #3 (idealscope on first post, 2nd image)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1444580.asp

measurements 6.36 x 6.41x3.99
1.00 ct
table 56
depth 62.5
crown 35
pav 40.8
lower girdle 75

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg



thanks every1, glad once this stress is over lol
 
mgh|1331574043|3146970 said:
the fatter arrows i am assuming with offer a more chunky light return? my current stone returns great sparkle..
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Yes, but it is subtle, the difference.
 
on the 2nd idealscope. a rep from gooodoldgold.com, said that they feel that is too much leakage in table...ehh
 
I am now very confused. How is rep from GOG commenting on a James Allen idealscope? But now that I see more info on that stone, I wouldn't buy it anyway. It is too deep. I wouldn't consider a 1 ct. stone that wasn't at least 6.4mm+ and preferably closer to 6.5. Maybe the other two possibilities will work out better.

And James Allen needs to do some work on their site. You have two stones up there with F VS2 in the web address but they are G SI1!
 
Hi,

The second one (in your first post) is showing a bit too much leakage for me, personally. It probably won't be hugely noticeable in person, but I wouldn't pick a stone like that when I could find one with a better idealscope image. Also, at 62.5% depth, it faces up a bit smaller than a one carat normally would.

Post the other idealscope when you get it and we can help analyze!
 
i agree..i am going to throw out diamond #2 from my original post..down to these two....

#1.(awaiting idealscope)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1461961.asp
G, SI1, cut pol sym all EXC

measurements 6.41 x 6.43x3.96
1.02 ct
table 58
depth 61.7
crown 34
pav 40.8
lower girdle 75

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

#2 (awaiting idealscope)
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1472009.asp
measurements 6.45 x 6.49x4.02
1.02 ct
table 54.2
depth 62.2
crown 35.2
pav 40.8
lower girdle 78

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

not sure what is up with the links...a GOG rep had been working with me , but a stone she sent me was around $9k, which is way over what these two stones are priced at.so i sent her the idealscope of diamond #2 from first post, and she agreed that it had way to much light leakage
 
mgh, based on those two options, I prefer the second one from the numbers (I prefer the smaller table and slightly steeper crown for more fire). Also, the clarity plot looks much cleaner and it's a tiny bit bigger, mm wise.
 
I think both stones have strengths. I'd have to let the inclusions decide, assuming the idealscopes are good.

mgh, we are pretty used to seeing perfect idealscope images, but Jonathan at Good Old Gold goes into some detail on his site to explain that you usually can't see leakage with a 35 degree crown angle until the pavilion angle gets to around 41.4. I realized from reading his information, that stones that get a 2-3 on the HCA can be excellent diamonds. And a little leakage on the Idealscope does not mean that you'd detect a thing in real life viewing. I realize in the past I have dismissed great stones just based on HCA or IS images when some of the diamonds would have been great. So don't let a less than perfect IS rule out a stone necessarily. It actually bothered me a lot more that the stone above was too deep and faced up a little smaller than I was about the IS, since I knew you wouldn't see any difference in reality.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/content.php?c=159
 
It is so hard to tell the performance of a diamond with such a small amount of information. Have you looked at the diamonds on GOG? You get so much more information and he will do a video with multiple choices of stones and you can pick the best performer in your budget. Anyway, just more options with a better idea of how your stone will really perform based on advanced technology that they use. Here are a few 1 carat stones hearts and arrows. When you are spending thousands you want the best for you $$. Don't know your budget.

(There is a certain angle in the girdle that GOG measures which insures performance that they pick for their inventory. GIA does not measure that angle...interesting. Just started learning about the hearts and arrows.)

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/9238/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8801/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8378/

Good luck on whatever you choose.
 
thank you everyone for the input..once i recieve the idealscopes.i'll attach.

the stone i currently own (OG post #1 idealscope) is a G, 1.01ct, triple exc, si2..but the cloud kills it for me.

so i am now looking for a eye clean si1 - same g color (love whiteness of the G), and a tripe exc

both stones in consideration rate below hca 2.0

i've read somewhere that a 54.2% table is close to ideal, i think it was from one of talkowsky theory...not sure which reference website ..this stone (AGS) rated, is a 0 ideal...so i am assuming it will be beautfiul..

i dont mind inclusions, as long as they are prongable or blend very well (near impossible w the naked eye)

the si2, i have cloud is way to easy to see.and it dulls the stone pretty bad

budget is <7000 for stone..i have a credit of 6k at james allen after i return my current stone
 
ok here we go..here are the idealscopes......

looks like diamond 1461961 is not an option..inclusion right on center of table

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1461961.asp
G, SI1, cut pol sym all EXC

measurements 6.41 x 6.43x3.96
1.02 ct
table 58
depth 61.7
crown 34
pav 40.8
lower girdle 75

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

#2 (awaiting idealscope) -- this idealscope looks the best to me, but didnt get a good rating from gemologist...i'm skeptical if the gemologist even looked at it...as she said it should face eye clean...

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1472009.asp
measurements 6.45 x 6.49x4.02
1.02 ct
table 54.2
depth 62.2
crown 35.2
pav 40.8
lower girdle 78

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

and then diamond #3 (idealscope on first post, 2nd image) --- what about table leakage????and measurements being small...6.36?? and hi depth???

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1444580.asp

measurements 6.36 x 6.41x3.99
1.00 ct
table 56
depth 62.5
crown 35
pav 40.8
lower girdle 75

hca under 2
ligh ret exc
fire exc
scin exc
spread vg

lso the verbage from the rep at JA

Thank you for your patience while waiting for the gemologist inspection results and idealscope images for diamonds 1444580, 1472009, and 1461961. You'll find that I've attached the requested images to this email for your review.



You'll be happy to hear that diamond 1444580 (1crt G SI1) has excellent fire, brilliance, and scintillation and faces the brightest of the group! It faces completely eye clean and its "G" color is perfectly white. This diamond is our gemologist's favorite and will provide you with an excellent value.



Diamond 1472009 (1.02crt G SI1) should face eye clean to the untrained eye, though our gemologist said that if you are examining the diamond very closely and know exactly where to look, it might be possible to locate the feather on the pavilion or its reflection in the upper girdle. It has great light performance and its "G" color is comparable to the other diamonds in your hold. Diamond 1461961 (1.02crt G SI1) has excellent light performance but its feather will be visible to the unaided eye and is not prongable.



As your brightest, cleanest, and least expensive option, I personally recommend diamond 1444580. Please take a moment to review this information and let me know if you have any additional questions. I have extended your hold on these diamonds for an additional 24 hours while you consider your options. After that time we will release them back to our inventory.

1444580id.jpg

1472009id.jpg

1461961id.jpg
 
Looks like JA confirmed what your gut was telling you. :appl:
 
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