Please help to choose btw 3 diamonds! Need to decide by tmr

[aurorinha]

Hi!

I'm very new in this diamond world and need to make a decission by tmr between these 2 diamonds:

1/ 1.60 D VVS2
GIA excellent cut, polish and symmetry
Measurements: 7.57 - 7.59 - 4.58
Table: 60
Total depth: 60.4
Crown angle: 35
Pavilion angle: 41
Star length: 55
Crown height: 14
Pavilion depth: 43.5
Girdle: thin to medium (3%)
Lower half: 80
Culet: none
Fluorescence: none
Gia facetware: Excellent
HCA score: 3 (very good light return, fire and spread and good scintilation)
Inclusions: some small clouds and pinpoints on the sides

2/ 1.72 D VVS2
GIA excellent cut, polish and symmetry
Measurements: 7.74 - 7.78 - 4.71 mm
Table: 57
Total depth: 60.7
Crown angle: 34.5
Pavilion angle: 41
Star length: 55
Crown height: 14.5
Girdle: thin to medium (3%)
Lower half: 80
Culet: none
Flurescence: none
GIA facetware: excellent
HCA score: 1.8 (excellent light return, very good fire, scintilation and spread)
Inclusions: just 1 small pinpoint on the side

3/1.52 D IF
GIA excellent cut, polish and symmetry
Measurements: 7.5 - 7.53 - 4.48 mm
Table: 58
Total depth: 59.6
Crown angle: 31.5
Pavilion angle: 41
Star length: 45
Crown height: 13
Girdle: med to slightly thick: 3.5
Lower half: 80
Culet: none
Fluorescence: none
Giafacetware: excellent
HCA score: 1.1 (excellent light return, fire and spread and very good scintillation)

I struggle to decide, any of these carat weights are fine for me; I just want to pick the best diamond out of these 3. The price is accordingly to the size (1.72 more expensive than 1.6 but less so than 1.52 IF). It's difficult for me to choose as I saw these diamonds in 3 different stores so I can't compare them together to see which is the brightest, the most firey or in which one the scintillation is better, so I try to rely a bit on numbers!.

Please, could you give some advice?

Thank you in advance! I need to decide by tmr!

 

[Lorelei]

Re: Please help to choose btw 3 diamonds! Need to decide by

Hi aurorinha and welcome!

Firstly, I take it you D IF/VVS is your preference for personal reasons? If so, that's absolutely fine, I am just mentioning that you could lower both colour and clarity if you wish without visual sacrifice if the cut quality of the diamond in question is excellent.

Now that's out of the way, let's look at the three you have in mind. It's a tricky one because judging these diamonds is very difficult from the info we have, as these are from a jewellery store with no images. The basic outlines of the diamonds have potential but whether they will truly perform is the question and that we can't know without images such as Idealscope. Is getting the best cut diamond as important to you as having D IF VVS? If so, then see if you can avoid your time constraints and let's see what else is out there.

I can't responsibly choose between these with the info given but suffice to say, I would rank them in the order they appear for further investigation.

Sorry I can't be more helpful, there is so much hidden crucial information we need to know in order to properly evaluate each diamond for cut quality and resultant performance, without images, we are estimating at best.

 

[aurorinha]

Re: Please help to choose btw 3 diamonds! Need to decide by

Thanks Lorelei for your answer!

Unfortunately I cant get any images with Idealscope, so I need to rely on the numbers. Here in HK it doesnt look like anyone gives u the chance of checking the diamonds with different tools, they just show you the diamond and the GIA certificate and they tell you they all will look great as they're GIA triple excellent.

Im not exclusively into D VVS2, its more my fiance who insists on that fact. But we'd like to get the best cut diamond, because cut its the most important C. But beign all 3 GIA excellent I just try to focus on proportions to pick one, as beign sold in different stores I cant compare them side by side...

My concern in the 1.6 diamond is the table and the depth beign 60/60.7, not sure if the table is too high (i read different opinions about this topic of 60/60 depth/table). In the GIA estimated cut tables look a bit in the edge btw excellent and very good and the HCA score was not very good...It also has more inclusions than the 1.72 even if both graded VVS2
In the 1.72 one, the table its 57, in the GIA cut tables is right in the excellent side and the HCA gives it way better score.
The difference in price btw the 2 is about 3000 US dollars (the 1.72 is 12 mm bigger, so more expensive).

its a tough decission because im not an expert and its difficult to me to see the fire, brightness and scintillation better in some diamonds
over the others in this grade range...

thanks for your help!

 

[Lorelei]

Re: Please help to choose btw 3 diamonds! Need to decide by

Thanks Lorelei for your answer! You are more than welcome!

Unfortunately I cant get any images with Idealscope, so I need to rely on the numbers. Here in HK it doesnt look like anyone gives u the chance of checking the diamonds with different tools, they just show you the diamond and the GIA certificate and they tell you they all will look great as they're GIA triple excellent. Understood, it can be more of a challenge to discern between stones without images when shopping in b&m stores, but we will see what we can do to help. The time constraints you have are making things more difficult, if you had more time I would suggest you ordered an Idealscope for your personal use, they are easy to use and so helpful when shopping in person but as you have to decide quickly, that's not going to be an option, unless you decide you do have time to wait. Also, if one cares about the cut quality of a diamond, I am glad you realize GIA Excellent cut grade are not created equal, in my opinion some are definitely better proportioned than others as I feel this cut grade allows for some less desirable proportion combos to receive the Ex grade. As you are doing, it is best to evaluate each carefully on their own desirable visual and physical properties.

Im not exclusively into D VVS2, its more my fiance who insists on that fact. But we'd like to get the best cut diamond, because cut its the most important C. But beign all 3 GIA excellent I just try to focus on proportions to pick one, as beign sold in different stores I cant compare them side by side...Then go with what she wants as you are doing, nothing wrong with wanting very high colour and clarity if it is important to you or your fiancé. You have a wise, informed approach concentrating on the proportions and individual performance of each diamond.

My concern in the 1.6 diamond is the table and the depth beign 60/60.7, not sure if the table is too high (i read different opinions about this topic of 60/60 depth/table). In the GIA estimated cut tables look a bit in the edge btw excellent and very good and the HCA score was not very good...It also has more inclusions than the 1.72 even if both graded VVS2
In the 1.72 one, the table its 57, in the GIA cut tables is right in the excellent side and the HCA gives it way better score.
The difference in price btw the 2 is about 3000 US dollars (the 1.72 is 12 mm bigger, so more expensive). 60 60 diamonds can be very bright and beautiful diamonds if the critical angles and the overall cut precision is good, the cut precision is not going to be something we can judge without more info but suffice to say, I would definitely say this particular 60 60 is worth shortlisting for potential purchase. Please don't worry about VVS inclusions especially going by the clarity plot on the report, you would be hard pressed to ever see them even under mag. HCA is not used for selection but rejection, in the case of the 60 60 it is penalizing because of the angle combo being borderline steep/deep, but even so, it's a stone I would suggest is worth further investigation, if the cut precision is good and it performs away from the store lights ( see if you can view the stones you are interested in away from the brightly lit store environment, say in another office), then it could be worth keeping in mind. View the 60 60 as thoroughly as you can then when you view a stone with a smaller table, you should know better what type of stone you prefer, it might well be the 60 60 wins out!

its a tough decission because im not an expert and its difficult to me to see the fire, brightness and scintillation better in some diamonds
over the others in this grade range...Again, understood. You are doing the right thing asking for advice here, view the stones you have in mind and see which stands out. I would definitely suggest taking more time as it's always worth it in the end, I don't like to see people feel they have to jump and decide now if they are unsure with a purchase of this magnitude. But if you absolutely cannot spend more time searching and researching, then all you can do is to view the stones in as many different lighting conditions as you can to see how they will behave in more everyday lighting conditions, then choose from there.

thanks for your help!

I hope I have helped a bit, please don't hesitate to ask should you have further questions.