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Honahlea

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Urrrrgh! I am getting increasingly frustrated with the jeweler I am supposed to be working with. I'm so angry and so worried that I'm about to have a really bad experience when I go to pick up this ring...

A while ago, I emailed Richard Homer asking him if he wouldn't mind helping me find the perfect stone for a Leon ring. To me, that ring is the "big project" and I have no problem waiting patiently and happily for all of those details to fall into place. In the mean time, I have put a deposit down on a sapphire ring at a local jeweler.

When I first went into his store, I looked at a series of gemstone rings. I complimented him on "his" designs being delicate and unique. He thanked me and continued the conversation contributing to (and DEFINITELY not correcting) my impression that he had designed and made all the rings himself. I tried on a sapphire ring with a diamond halo and fell in love. I asked him how much it would be to reset it from yellow gold to white gold. He initially said he couldn't do it because it would be a waste of the time he spent on the ring and of the material. (Which kept me under the impression that he'd put it together himself.) I said I could compensate him for all of that, just name his asking price. He gave me one and we went on to discuss a time period for the work. I said my birthday was on 26th September and I would be traveling after that so would it be possible to have it done before then? (This was the end of August.) He said yes, but "just in case" he would set the "promised by" date as late as the 25th of September. With all those details set, I agreed to purchase the ring and left a deposit.

Just before I left, he mentioned that he would make the shank wider because the ring would have to be enlarged for my finger and he thought it would look better that way. I was horrified that he mentioned this as if it were just a passing thought - after the paperwork had been done, after I'd laid down the deposit, and after a looong discussion and negotiation about how I wanted it exactly the same, just with white gold instead of yellow gold. I know Leon for example will want me to sit back and allow him to take artistic liberties if he wanted, but this wasn't discussed with the jeweler at hand. I immediately said "no no no no no"- that I loved the ring as it was and didn't want any changes. He said okay.

About 10 days ago, I went back into his store again to look at some new gem stone rings he'd put out. Both him and a sales person never said a word when I complimented him on "his" designs again and asked where he came up with such unique creations. After leaving, I went to look at some other stores in the mall and found that one of the stores had almost all the same rings we had been talking about as "his" designs (though I did not see my particular ring.) I was so angry, because part of my justification for buying the sapphire ring from him was that it was unique and the workmanship was acceptable. Now, I'm very worried about how well he is going to be able to reset my ring, which had pave. It isn't a good idea for me to do anything while I'm angry though, so I did not go back to the store, figuring that if he has deviated from the agreement, I will not be bound to complete the purchase. (Though I was told recently by a friend that because it is a "custom" piece, I might be...)

Yesterday (23rd), I rang the shop to ask whether my ring was ready as I hadn't had a call from him. (He said he probably wouldn't need until the 25th and he'd call as soon as it was ready.) I didn't have the article number when I called so I described it to him. He seemed to have NO idea what I was talking about and said he didn't recall a sapphire ring which he was resetting to white gold. This made me nervous so I went to the store this morning (24th) to ask about the ring. The sales person spent a LONG time checking the computer, going out the back to speak to him, talking to another sales person, checking the computer again etc. I asked if I should speak to the jeweler myself and she said he couldn't come out because he was busy. I had to leave for work so I asked if it would be ready by tomorrow (promised by date) and she said she thought so.

All this is making me really nervous. I keep thinking things like:
- What if the ring isn't his own creation like he lead me to believe?
- Will he have taken artistic liberties which I didn't authorise?
- Is the workmanship going to be terrible?
- Has he even started on my ring? Is he going to rush to get it finished by tomorrow and thereby do really bad work?
- Can I back out of the purchase and get a deposit back on a "custom" piece?
- What if the ring isn't ready by tomorrow? I'm going away...

Any input is really appreciated- How I should handle this, what my options are, and what to expect.
 
Ok, so you have the article number, and all the information required to identify your job, obviously...did you take your original receipt in to them?
Could it be that he has forgotten to enter the details into the computer, and has simply issued your receipt, and forgotten all about it?!!
I hope you won''t be too upset about not having the ring for your birthday...
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but I guess you''ll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.
If you are having second thoughts, you could ask about a refund tomorrow, when/ if the ring fails to materialise.
I mean, what is a birthday gift if it not delivered for a birthday?
I hope you get more helpful help from another PS''er!!
L.
 
Oh geez, I'm sorry you are going through this.
Just a thought, are you positive that the designs are made by someone else and not him? Just because pave is popular now and alot of stores will have similiar designs..Even though you saw similiar elsewhere, chances are he still could've made the ones in the store, no?


Also, this sentence confuses me: I asked him how much it would be to reset it from yellow gold to white gold. He initially said he couldn't do it because it would be a waste of the time he spent on the ring and of the material.
Do you mean he was going to take out the stone and put it in a new setting? Imo, this sounds like a strange practice - unless it were a really different cut, most jewellers would just source a new stone and make the whole new ring.

That said, I would be concerned too - I would suggest if it isn't delivered by the 25th then you ask for your money back. Delivery dates aren't set in stone though, so you may have some negotiating to do.
As far as cancelling a custom order, your friend is right - usually you will be obliged to pay something. This will depend on the store policy though - do you know what their policy is on custom?
But then again, if he has forgotten and not even started the ring, there is nothing to pay for.

I think you need to find out better where you stand:
- was the "inspiration" ring made by him or no?
- has he started or not?
- What is the terms of your contract with him?

And go from there, I'm sorry you are being mucked about (hugs)..
 
I don’t know this store personally but I’ll try to give some generic sorts of answers that will apply to pretty much any designer situation.

- What if the ring isn't his own creation like he lead me to believe?

As Karl pointed out above, jewelers knock off each other’s work routinely and it’s not unusual to see very similar looking pieces in different places. This is not of itself evidence that the original is not the original. There are quite a few scenarios that are possible here but I would not just assume that he bought a factory product from the same bin as his competitors and is passing it off as his own work unless you’ve got a fair amount more to go on. If you’re worried about this, take the piece to an independent appraiser after you get it and ask this question.

- Will he have taken artistic liberties which I didn't authorise?

If he doesn’t deliver what you ordered, don’t accept it. Some jewelers are artists who want to apply their artistic talent to every item but every one I know of who does this doesn’t want to ‘sneak’ it into the deal at the end. They’re proud of it. It’s what they sell. They advertise it as a feature. They charge extra for this! If he agreed to clone the piece in white gold, I would expect him to do just that.

- Is the workmanship going to be terrible?

Presumably you were already familiar with the shop workmanship level and are happy with it before you placed the order. I see no reason to expect this one to be worse than usual.

- Has he even started on my ring? Is he going to rush to get it finished by tomorrow and thereby do really bad work?

This seems like the root of your concern. Many large shops have several people on the staff and designing a ring is not the same as manufacturing it. The manufacturing work, or at least parts of it, may be being done by an employee or coworker and the designer really doesn’t know the progress of the job at any particular moment. If it’s a large shop there are likely to be dozens of jobs in different stages of progress at any one time. By all means you should hold them to the same level of craftsmanship that you would at any other time but I think it’s a mistake to assume that because he’s not personally the workman on every step that either the piece isn’t his design, that progress isn’t being made or that the work will be bad. A designer will often hire specialists for things like casting and setting and that particular worker will will actually end up better at it than the designer because they get so much practice doing the same sorts of tasks.

- Can I back out of the purchase and get a deposit back on a "custom" piece?

It depends on the contract you made with him. In most cases no. That’s what the deposit is for.

- What if the ring isn't ready by tomorrow? I'm going away...

Unfortunately it’s not unusual for jewelers and other sorts of craftsmen to be late on deliveries. How serious a problem this is and what you do about it will depend on your situation. If they miss the deadline you have options that range from having a tantrum in the showroom and filing a lawsuit at one extreme to agreeing to an alternative delivery date and coming back later or having them ship it (at their expense) to wherever is convenient for you. This is a negotiation to have tomorrow, IF they miss the deadline. I wouldn’t recommend getting too stressed over this eventuality. Maybe he’ll make it and maybe he won’t but it’s not all that big a disaster even if he doesn’t. Annoying and inconsiderate yes, but it’s usually not insurmountable. Don't let the deadline be the thing that spoils your enjoyment of your lovely new ring.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Date: 9/24/2008 7:44:45 AM
Author: denverappraiser
I don’t know this store personally but I’ll try to give some generic sorts of answers that will apply to pretty much any designer situation.

- What if the ring isn''t his own creation like he lead me to believe?

As Karl pointed out above, jewelers knock off each other’s work routinely and it’s not unusual to see very similar looking pieces in different places. This is not of itself evidence that the original is not the original. There are quite a few scenarios that are possible here but I would not just assume that he bought a factory product from the same bin as his competitors and is passing it off as his own work unless you’ve got a fair amount more to go on. If you’re worried about this, take the piece to an independent appraiser after you get it and ask this question.
workman on every step that either the piece isn’t his design, that progress isn’t being made or that the work will be bad. A designer will often hire specialists for things like casting and setting and that particular worker will will actually end up better at it than the designer because they get so much practice doing the same sorts of tasks.


Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

Hey!! Neil, do I look like karl to you?! lol
Apart from that, great advice as usual
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Sorry about that Ajunajane.
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I’ll take your word for it that you don’t look like him since I have no idea what you actually look like and have but a single lowres picture to know what he looks like, but, on the bright side, having your advice confused for his could be considered a compliment.
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Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
lol Neil you confused me too,,, I was like huh,,,

But arjunajane said most of what I would have said, great job arjunajane.

The benchman that does my work does custom work for several other jewelers.
Each one is made to his high standards so if it is outsourced there is a good chance the quality will be as good as the one you saw.
If a delivery date was specified in writing you most likely have a case for breach of contract if it is not delivered on time and have a case for getting your money back.
 
To be all honest with you, I think since you''re demanding something be delivered in your timeframe the result will ALWAYS be less than to your liking.

If you want custom work done you have to have both the TIME and the PATIENCE.
 
Thank you so much for the replies. Wow, that was really nice of you to take so much time to help me out. Sorry I couldn''t get back to my computer earlier.

I did go in this morning and it wasn''t ready. I asked what was going on and he told me he would ring me back around noon to let me know what was happening. I was so frustrated no one would tell me what was going on but obviously you don''t get anywhere being narky so I just smiled happily and said said I''d talk to him then.

Come 2.30pm I hadn''t received any missed calls so I rang the store. The lady took my phone number and said she''d find out what was happening and then call me back in less than five minutes to let me know what was going on. She didn''t call me back until about 5 hours later.

Ugh.. I know you have to be patient and all but this has just made me annoyed. I have my own business and my staff are expected to give impeccable customer service. I can''t stand it when people don''t.

That said, she said it will be ready tomorrow so I''ll post pictures then if I can. Thanks heaps. :)
 
Unfortunately it is REALLY REALLY COMMON for custom work to run overtime even with a concrete delivery date. Of the four custom pieces I''ve had made, every one has run over, from two days to two months over. And it does make a person antsy when you ask about how it''s going and then they can''t find your piece. (That happened to me at one local jewelers... in retrospect I''m glad I kept cool about it, it was just being worked on and not in the safe like the girl at the desk assumed it was.)

I''m glad he hadn''t spaced out on it. It can be stressful doing custom and frustrating too, especially when your delivery date has a reason behind it like yours does.

Hope it comes out gorgeous!
 
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