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GlamMosher

GlamMosher

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Hi all,

Well, I decided against the RB that I posted about previously... I think (from avidly reading these boards for a few months) that I prefer an older cut. I am not a dainty little girl, and I think the chunkier cut would suit me better. My jeweller is not too enthusiastic as he feels brilliance is everything but will go with whatever I bring him. (he really only designs jewellery but is working with this for me)

What do I need to look for when looking for an older cut? I have seen some on line (I haven't been able to see any in person - I am in Western Australia) and they don't look great. Then I look at the rings posted on SMTB and they look fabulous! It is that the stones I am looking at are not great?

For instance, would this be suitable for a ring, or is it too shallow? They suggest to use for a pendant, which makes me think it is not good for a ring.
http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.com/Jewelry/Loose-Diamonds/133ct-Loose-Old-European-Cut/13358061_8cJ7T#977221000_Hshc8

OEC.jpg

Another I have looked at is this:
http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?products_id=160

I have corresponded with the seller on this, and she says it is definitely eye clean, only inclusions are white feathers, no black spots at all.

I am looking for something up to 1.5ct. My budget all up is around $5k, but I have to allow for 15% duty & tax into Australia.

Would either of these make a beautiful ring (I would be having it reset)? Does anyone have any they have seen that would be a good buy?

Many thanks in advance!
GM
 
I think Ruby Lane has a great selection... but most are set. Do you want unset? What is your budget?


(yes, the shallow one is not the best choice for a ring)
 
Usually I like most of the stones that JBEG lists, but I'm not loving the cut on that one.

I can't tell much from the photos of the other stone but I'm not so sure that stone would be eye-clean. Again, hard to tell from the photos...
 
Gypsy|1320106708|3051347 said:
What is your budget?
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About $5,000 all up (inc 15% duty & tax)
 
Gypsy|1320106708|3051347 said:
I think Ruby Lane has a great selection... but most are set. Do you want unset?
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Sorry didnt reply to this part! Either - but I will probably reste it (unless I love the setting). So a nice diamond in an ugly ring is fine!
 
First choice on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-06-CARAT-LOOSE-ROUND-EUROPEAN-CUT-DIAMOND-VS-CLARITY-I-J-COLOR-/390358310396?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item5ae32b1dfc&fb_source=message I'd contact this seller about this stone-- see if they still . I really like it very much and the price is great for you. If it had been listed when I was looking I would have been very tempted.

Second Option on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-18k-WG-1-10-Carat-Diamond-Engagement-Ring-/130584591266?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6772bba2 This is exactly the ring/diamond I would have bought if I had not found the one I did here locally. The diamond will likely need to have the girdle faceted as it likely has a very thin girdle. That will cost about 350/carat at either Singlestone in LA or BGD in Houston. The stone I bought is currently having this done at BGD as it also had some small chips and surface abrasions. I also really like the setting on this one. And if you don't you can TOTALLY re-sell it on our pre-loved board and it would move quickly: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/[/URL] For this ring I would best offer 2600 and see what the counter is on it.

Third Choice on ebay:
Another option is this one. I considered this one seriously before it was set and talked to the seller pretty extensively. He was gruff but I think the stone is probably a K -L at most, not warmer than that, which is nice to know especially since in the pictures there is so much color showing
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-00-carat-VS2-J-Old-European-cut-diamond-Set-Vintage-ring-side-stones-/180743228196?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item2a1522cb24&fb_source=message He SAYS 'best offer' but his price is pretty firm.
 
Thnaks for the links Gypsy. I think maybe I will need something a little whiter as it will ne next to my other diamonds which are probably around a H .

What about this from the UK company I posted above?
http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?products_id=159

I could probably use the side diamonds for earrings (or even leave as is).

I did look through Ruby Lane but they seemed a bit more expensive than others places I have looked.

Thnaks for your help. I just don't want to buy an ugly diamond...
 
Ruby Lane finds:

This one is light fancy yellow in color, which would be PURPOSELY yellow instead of incidentally which I don't know if you like, but it's a pretty stone and a GREAT size. You can always ask vendors if their prices are negotiable. http://www.rubylane.com/item/571649-100-00419/Art-Deco-Diamond-Ring

The ones below might be whiter. Honestly I have an F step cut engagement ring and I just bought a L OEC for my right hand ring. OEC's with high crowns face up MUCH whiter than you would expect. Anything over J if well cut will surprise you in it's whiteness UNLESS you are wearing them on the same hand as a colorless. I just bought sidestones for my L OEC and had to get H-I color step cuts to match the color of the OEC... they mask color very well.


http://www.rubylane.com/item/510967-1x2e50x20CTWx20Diamondx20Ring/Vintage-Art-Deco-1-50 Pictures are terrible but the diamond could be nice.

If you like the ring AS IS and they are willing to negotiate the price, then it might be a nice deal for you: http://www.rubylane.com/item/161033-13259/Clarity-an-European-Diamond-Platinum

http://www.rubylane.com/item/514555-rl-519/1-26-Carat-European-Cut

Setting is lovely too: http://www.rubylane.com/item/161033-13039/20th-C-Diamond-Engagement-Ring

Even lovelier setting with a nice diamond: http://www.rubylane.com/item/494298-100-00001/Edwardian-18K-White-Gold-Filigree
 
GlamMosher|1320118899|3051475 said:
What about this from the UK company I posted above?
http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?products_id=159
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That looks very similar to one I saw on ebay, actually, to the extent that I'm wondering if they list on ebay. The stones have quite a bit wonk going on, in my opinion. That's not a bad thing. And I don't think they are ugly. But there is a reason the price is so reasonable because they aren't for everyone. I think for earrings the sidestones will be great, but I don't know about the center as it looks like a dark stone to me. A bright well cut stone, warmer, is generally more pleasing to most than a dark high color stone. Unless it is a mindclean issue.

Hopefully someone else would comment on it.

ETA: I HAVE seen their stuff on ebay-- I recognized several other pieces. Get their ebay name and hit Toolhaus to see what their feedback is.
 
THIS is worth a second look though: http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=85

Be aware though that with regard to color:

With out a GIA or AGS certificate or a REALLY good appraiser looking at it UNSET most SET old cuts will be graded softly... with higher color than they really have listed because they do face up whiter than they are and grading color of a set stone is really hard. Especially if it is in a yellow gold setting.

You have to have be willing to accept that color grades on anything not certified by GIA or AGS can be 2 or more grades off.

IF the vendor has a reputation for strict grading you might get lucky though. Kennedy (on SMTB) got lucky. Her vendor rated hers as a G, and it is most likely F/G.

Not saying it doesn't happen, and I hope it does with your purchase, but that's one of the reasons why Ruby Lane is priced higher. Many of them are certified.
 
Gypsy|1320122702|3051497 said:
THIS is worth a second look though: http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=85

Be aware though that with regard to color:

With out a GIA or AGS certificate or a REALLY good appraiser looking at it UNSET most SET old cuts will be graded softly... with higher color than they really have listed because they do face up whiter than they are and grading color of a set stone is really hard. Especially if it is in a yellow gold setting.

You have to have be willing to accept that color grades on anything not certified by GIA or AGS can be 2 or more grades off.

IF the vendor has a reputation for strict grading you might get lucky though. Kennedy (on SMTB) got lucky. Her vendor rated hers as a G, and it is most likely F/G.

Not saying it doesn't happen, and I hope it does with your purchase, but that's one of the reasons why Ruby Lane is priced higher. Many of them are certified.
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Yes I saw that one too, but after exchange rate etc, it works out a bit too expensive...

Noted re the colours, thanks!
 
GlamMosher|1320122875|3051498 said:
Wow thanks Gypsy! How come I looked through page after page on that site and didn't see any of these?

I am liking the look of this one! http://www.rubylane.com/item/510967-1x2e50x20CTWx20Diamondx20Ring/Vintage-Art-Deco-1-50

Do you offer a price or is it set at what is on the page? (sorry to sound dumb, I have never bought something this expensive on line before)

Is Arnold Jewelers reputable?

GM
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I email the seller with a quick, "Hello! Is your price negotiable" and if they say yes then I offer them a price. Usually lower than what my maximum is in case they counter. Or I will just hit the "Make an Offer" button.

As for Arnold, check their Ruby Lane comments and also ask them if they list on ebay, and check them out there if they do.

You need MUCH better pics of that stone though.
 
Gypsy|1320123229|3051503 said:
I email the seller with a quick, "Hello! Is your price negotiable" and if they say yes then I offer them a price. Usually lower than what my maximum is in case they counter. Or I will just hit the "Make an Offer" button.

As for Arnold, check their Ruby Lane comments and also ask them if they list on ebay, and check them out there if they do.

You need MUCH better pics of that stone though.
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Thnaks again. :) I have emailed for more photos. Now, that site makes me feel like I have never used the internet before... where are the comments for the seller?

Found them on ebay - feedback is good. http://myworld.ebay.com/sellit
 
I must be confusing them with Etsy. Ruby Lane has a site wide assurance policy but no vendor reviews (why did I think they did) by consumers. They are apparently very strict with their vendors though. Sorry!
 
Gypsy|1320127299|3051520 said:
I must be confusing them with Etsy. Ruby Lane has a site wide assurance policy but no vendor reviews (why did I think they did) by consumers. They are apparently very strict with their vendors though. Sorry!
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No problems, you have been very helpful! I looked all over that site, and thought they must only have the platinum, gold etc. The seller looks pretty good though. I will wait and see what the photos look like.

And please no-one buy that ring in the meantime!
 
wow,very useful.
 
Gypsy|1320122702|3051497 said:
THIS is worth a second look though: http://fineantiquediamonds.co.uk/20ed11/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=85

Be aware though that with regard to color:

With out a GIA or AGS certificate or a REALLY good appraiser looking at it UNSET most SET old cuts will be graded softly... with higher color than they really have listed because they do face up whiter than they are and grading color of a set stone is really hard. Especially if it is in a yellow gold setting.

You have to have be willing to accept that color grades on anything not certified by GIA or AGS can be 2 or more grades off.

IF the vendor has a reputation for strict grading you might get lucky though. Kennedy (on SMTB) got lucky. Her vendor rated hers as a G, and it is most likely F/G.

Not saying it doesn't happen, and I hope it does with your purchase, but that's one of the reasons why Ruby Lane is priced higher. Many of them are certified.
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I agree with Gypsy, if color is really important then make sure it's either GIA or AGS graded or comes with a good return policy.
My OEC was in-house graded by a reputable PS recommended vendor as L/M and came back from GIA as an S/T.
 
Back to the drawing board... I was so excited all night thinking I may have found a diamond, and woke up to not photos but a message that it had been sold. :( Always a risk posting here a guess.

The trilogy ring from the UK has been reserved also, which was kind of my back up.

If anyone sees anything nice (that they don't want!) please let me know! I search but never seem to find the nice ones.

Thanks for all the help!

GM
 
Glam, do a search for "Deco Diamond" and "European Diamond" and "Platinum Diamond" and "Mine Diamond" then just look through the listings and click on anything that looks like it has potential!
 
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