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I need help finding a round brilliant diamond!

I have a preference for Solomon Brothers and I am looking for a sizeable stone on a specific budget.

Im trying to keep the cost of the stone to $4,500 or less and I really want a 1.5 carat stone or larger. (possibly a little smaller if the numbers add up)

My budget seems low compared to the size, but Solomon Brothers has plenty of 1.5 ct stones in this price range, and I really need help decifering which stone would be the best cut and value. Obviously I''m not looking for a perfect diamond. I''m open to the EGL certified diamonds and I am aware that they have a less strict grading system. I just want a well cut diamond that has a good chance of being eye clean!

I challenge anyone who is bored to find me a diamond that meets all of this criteria. I know my specifications are not ideal, but I am okay with that so please dont judge lol! If you need any other information from me...just ask.

Thanks in advance.
 
You probably want to look at the SI1''s or SI2''s with I or J color.

You are likely to find some nice ones that are SI2 J in your price range.

For SI1 I its more likely to be eye clean, but you might have to go a little under the 1.5 to stay in your range.
 
If you don''t mind EGL, why don''t you just look for something lower in color and clarity from AGS/GIA?
 
Some from Union-Diamond, they will be able to take IS image of the stone unlike Soloman, which is a drop-shipper as far as I know. Also, if you are interested in these check with them once they have the stones if they are eye-clean and that the fluor does not result in the stone having and oily/hazy look, only a very small percentage have these over-blue characteristics.

K-L SI1 range.
http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AB211561&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34#

http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AB246459&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34

http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AB322923&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34#
 
Stone cold, thank you for your post. I was not familiar with Union Diamond before, but they have some nice stuff on their website.

I really like the first stone that you posted. Should it be a concern that when looking at the GIA certificate next to where it lists the color it says "L, faint brown"?

I noticed that the other L colored GIA stones do not say Light Brown on the certificate. I still like this stone a lot because it scores very well on the HCA and the blue flouresence is appealing. Do you have any other thoughts on this stone? Im going to call today for more information. Please post more stones if you find them!
 
The faint brown is refering to the body color of the stone. The more common color associated with colorless stone is having a slight yellow color as you go down the color grade, this stone is brown instead.
 
Date: 7/22/2009 8:33:31 AM
Author: kp13
Stone cold, thank you for your post. I was not familiar with Union Diamond before, but they have some nice stuff on their website.

I really like the first stone that you posted. Should it be a concern that when looking at the GIA certificate next to where it lists the color it says 'L, faint brown'?

I noticed that the other L colored GIA stones do not say Light Brown on the certificate. I still like this stone a lot because it scores very well on the HCA and the blue flouresence is appealing. Do you have any other thoughts on this stone? Im going to call today for more information. Please post more stones if you find them!
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L with a brown tone is a concern to me, I would advise passing on that one - stick to non brown toned L's if you want that colour grade.
 
Date: 7/22/2009 8:48:40 AM
Author: Lorelei

L with a brown tone is a concern to me, I would advise passing on that one - stick to non brown toned L''s if you want that colour grade.
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Ditto.
 
Lorelei and Ellen, thank you for confirming my suspicions. Didn''t think that sounded right.
 
Date: 7/22/2009 9:56:36 AM
Author: kp13
What does everyone think about this diamond?

http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&item_id=AB124426&&1.53ct-L-SI2-Round-Brilliant-Cut-Diamond


It is GIA certified which is a plus, and it scores 1.8 on the HCA (within TIC range). It also has strong blue flourescence. The price seems fair. Please share your thoughts...
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Might be ok, an Idealscope would tell us more, check very carefully it is eyeclean to your standards by asking the vendor. And you are most welcome!
 
Looks like it might be ok... but I guess my question is how does your future fiance feel about an L color, possibly non-eye clean diamond? Have you seen an L in person?
 
Ive contacted Union Diamond and they are checking the diamond to see if it is eye clean, and also trying to get an ideal scope image. I havent seen an L in person, but I am stopping by a local jewelery shop today because I spoke to the owner and he has many different colored diamonds that I can check out.

Just out of curiosity...if I want to keep my budget too $4,500 or less, what would be a more reasonable size stone for me to look for if I want an eye clean diamond with near colorless clarity? Size is important, but I definitely dont want to waste my money.
 
about 1 carat or slightly less than that as at 1c mark there is a sharp jump in $/carat.

So either u go small, remain in traditional near colorless SI range or try for size and forget about traditional color clarity limitation such the S I1 recently bought by another PSer.
 
Date: 7/22/2009 10:12:53 AM
Author: kp13
Ive contacted Union Diamond and they are checking the diamond to see if it is eye clean, and also trying to get an ideal scope image. I havent seen an L in person, but I am stopping by a local jewelery shop today because I spoke to the owner and he has many different colored diamonds that I can check out.

Just out of curiosity...if I want to keep my budget too $4,500 or less, what would be a more reasonable size stone for me to look for if I want an eye clean diamond with near colorless clarity? Size is important, but I definitely dont want to waste my money.
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You can get around a carat or a little more according to a quick search. For example this cracking 60 60 ( 60% depth/ 60% table) as shown below

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-2105152.htm#

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/6058/ or this one

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245437.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
 
Date: 7/22/2009 10:12:53 AM
Author: kp13
Ive contacted Union Diamond and they are checking the diamond to see if it is eye clean, and also trying to get an ideal scope image. I havent seen an L in person, but I am stopping by a local jewelery shop today because I spoke to the owner and he has many different colored diamonds that I can check out.

Just out of curiosity...if I want to keep my budget too $4,500 or less, what would be a more reasonable size stone for me to look for if I want an eye clean diamond with near colorless clarity? Size is important, but I definitely dont want to waste my money.
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I''d get something like this (though just outside the near colorless range), and maybe do an upgrade down the road. They have a great upgrade policy. And this is a beautiful diamond!

If you want near colorless, maybe this. You would get a 2% PS discount from the listed price.
 
Okay so I just got back from my visit with the local jeweler and he showed me tons of loose diamonds and I really got a feeling for what I consider acceptable.

I actually enjoyed the warmer colors and they did not bother me one bit. I know my future fiancee would love them too. The K and L colored stones really looked great to me. Therefore I can probably look for that color range and keep the carat weight a little higher. He also showed me the differences in clarity and Si1 and Si2 were both perfectly fine in my eyes. As far as size, there is a very noticeable difference between 1 and 1.5 carats. The larger the better in my case. I''m going to keep searching for a stone, please keep posting anything that you think I might like. Thanks!
 
SI eye-clean is case by case. Some SI1 are not eye-clean, some SI2 are. They need to be individually check.
 
You have got to be kidding me. That is a fish-eye stone and he can still say it is beautiful?

59.3% D
60% T
14% CH
41% PD.
 
Okay lets pretend I was kidding about the last one! (Seriously thought, that is the reason why I''m here so thanks for your help).

I feel much more confident about this diamond below:

Union Diamond L Si1

Leah at Union Diamond found this one for me and she noted that it is a GIA "triple excellent" stone. She says it is perfectly eye clean, and that the blue fluorescence helps compensate for the warmth and makes the diamond face up beautifully and white. I spoke with Leah more and she seems more trustworthy and knowledgeable than the people at Solomon Brothers. This also scores a 2 on the HCA which is nice. I do have this one on hold! Did I do any better this time around?
 
Date: 7/23/2009 7:25:35 PM
Author: kp13
Okay lets pretend I was kidding about the last one! (Seriously thought, that is the reason why I''m here so thanks for your help).

I feel much more confident about this diamond below:

Union Diamond L Si1

Leah at Union Diamond found this one for me and she noted that it is a GIA ''triple excellent'' stone. She says it is perfectly eye clean, and that the blue fluorescence helps compensate for the warmth and makes the diamond face up beautifully and white. I spoke with Leah more and she seems more trustworthy and knowledgeable than the people at Solomon Brothers. This also scores a 2 on the HCA which is nice. I do have this one on hold! Did I do any better this time around?
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Link doesn''t work?
 
It works now, apparently system offline in the early morning as I can''t see it then too.

A 60/60 stone, numbers looks good but need an IS to confirm if there is any leakage due to the rounding of numbers by GIA.
 
Date: 7/24/2009 10:54:28 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
It works now, apparently system offline in the early morning as I can''t see it then too.

A 60/60 stone, numbers looks good but need an IS to confirm if there is any leakage due to the rounding of numbers by GIA.
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Yes, seems fine now!

The diamond looks good kp and shows good potential, it is what is called a 60 60 make ( 60% table/ 60% depth) which some really like - the angle ranges look good and according to one of the execs at UD Idealscope images are available so the next step would be to request one.
 
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