Please help me choose between two Diamonds for E-ring

[pxrnm]

Hi,

I've been lurking in the forum researching about diamonds and ring. I have read the thread about diamond especially about the J and K colour.

Anyway I have put a hold on two diamonds and need the opinion of experts in the forum for the following two diamonds. Currently I am incline to go with the K colour ones because it look as white as the J coloured.

This is the link and the specs.

K colour



JA Link http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-...-K-color-VS1-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-127136

Carat weight:1.04
Certificate:GIA
Color:k
Shape: Round
Clarity: VS1
Cut: Excellent
Depth %:62.50
Girdle: Thin-Slightly Thick
Table %:58.00
Culet:-
Polish:Very Good
Crown ∠: -
Symmetry:Excellent
Crown %:-
Fluorescence:Strong
Pavilion ∠:-
L/W/D (mm): 6.45*6.47*4.04
Pavilion %: -

And the J colour:



JA Link http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.83-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-sku-196540

Carat weight:0.81
Certificate:GIA
Color:j
Shape: Round
Clarity: VS2
Cut: Ideal
Depth %:61.90
Girdle: Slightly Thick-Slightly Thick
Table %:59.00
Culet:NN
Polish:Excellent
Crown ∠: -
Symmetry:Excellent
Crown %:0.00
Fluorescence:None
Pavilion ∠:-
L/W/D (mm): 5.95*5.92*3.67
Pavilion %: 0.00

The setting is 18K White Gold bow-tie channel set round shaped diamond engagement ring



http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/engage...round-shaped-diamond-engagement-ring-item-506

Please help me chose between these two diamonds I am pretty much at a loss... I am thinking about taking the K colour due to size and looking at the loop the clarity is astounding to me, but afraid if the diamond is put in the setting will look yellow.

The J colour was my preference before until I found the K colour but looked really the same to my untrained eye. The k has strong blue fluorescent though.

Please let me know the pros and cons. Thank you so much for your time to read this topic!!!!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Have you seen the stones in person? A J should not be as tinted as a K. I would not go below J for an engagement ring.

 

[pxrnm]

Hi I am in Australia, hence why I cannot see the diamond physically. I just based my judgement looking at the picture and honestly comparing to the other J graded diamonds, this K one is whiter in my opinion. But then again I am just a noob

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Okay, well since you live so far away, I am sure you want to get this right on the first try! I agree that the K stone does not look more tinted in that video, and that is likely because of the fluorescence or either that is a low J color stone! What I would love to see would be a J with the fluorescence. I assume you have already looked through the stones, but I'll take a quick look to see if I see anything else.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

No good J's with fluoro in your size range. The K stone may be okay as long as you don't think she is color sensitive.

 

[pxrnm]

Okay, well since you live so far away, I am sure you want to get this right on the first try! I agree that the K stone does not look more tinted in that video, and that is likely because of the fluorescence or either that is a low J color stone! What I would love to see would be a J with the fluorescence. I assume you have already looked through the stones, but I'll take a quick look to see if I see anything else.

Hi,

I found one with strong fluorescent J coloured VS2

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.21-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-196893

Compared to this I can see a slight tinge... but honestly I can't see that much difference. I really would like to know people's opinion on this as I used to believe K coloured diamond will look yellow - ALWAYS- but with the K I found... I think I might be wrong...

 

[pxrnm]

No good J's with fluoro in your size range. The K stone may be okay as long as you don't think she is color sensitive.

I don't think she's sensitive to colour unless it's very obvious. I think she's the same as me, we are really new to diamonds. Honestly this is my first Diamond purchase.

Comparing the J coloured VS2 in the same carat in the link below will cost appx $2k more (same strong fluorescent).

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.21-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-196893

With my untrained eye both stones look white, but really need some opinions from PSers who are better experience than me here.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Are you saying you could get the 1.21 J VS2 or were you just showing it to compare color to the K? Because I would certainly vote for the 1.21 J if it was a choice (except it is a little deep)! I didn't look at stones that large since I was trying to find you an alternative to the K.

If you were in the US, I'd say order the K and look at it and then send it back to either exchange or have set. But since you can't do that, I'd really probably stick with I-J colors since you are planning on a white metal setting.

 

[JulieN]

A K is not going to look yellow. It will sometimes look off-white. Someone who is sensitive might not want to go below H. The grades get wider the farther down the scale you go... there can be quite a bit of difference between a high J and a low K. the 1.04 K that you posted originally actually does look not that yellow... needs an Ideal Scope picture, there is some leakage.

Faint brown K, strong fluoro. The color is pretty obvious in this one: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.03-carat-K-color-VS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-185646
Faint brown K, no fluoro. I think the color is a little bit higher than the one above, and it is straight up one of the cheapest on JA that is ideal cut: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.01-carat-K-color-VVS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-199040
Medium fluoro faint yellow K, bigger: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.12-carat-K-color-VVS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-112497

 

[pxrnm]

Hi Thanks for all the responses.

If it's off white, then I can live with that. It's already stretching my budget but I would like to give a 1ct diamond to my gf. So long it's not noticeable yellow in everyday use I think it should be okay. The J colour that I can go to with my budget will be around 0.8ct for an excelent cut.

I wonder if there's any PSers who has a K diamond can comment on this. Will a K diamond would look obviously tinge in colour in everyday use or if it's just when you look at it keenly?

 

[pxrnm]

the 1.04 K that you posted originally actually does look not that yellow... needs an Ideal Scope picture, there is some leakage.

Just wondering what leakage is?

btw here is the url for the 40x pic

http://cdn1.jamesallen.com/Sets/Diamond/127136/Img.Large.Diamond.jpg

 

[JulieN]

You can search for J/K/L color on PS and lots of threads will come up. It's not so much as looking closely at it, but depends on the lighting environment, sometimes it will look colorless and sometimes will look off-white, especially when tilted.

Leakage is when light passes through a diamond. Normally the 1.04 you posted I would say the amount of leakage is a bit borderline, but it does look like it could be a high K with strong blue fluorescence, so an Ideal Scope request is in order. How much is it?

 

[pxrnm]

You can search for J/K/L color on PS and lots of threads will come up. It's not so much as looking closely at it, but depends on the lighting environment, sometimes it will look colorless and sometimes will look off-white, especially when tilted.

Leakage is when light passes through a diamond. Normally the 1.04 you posted I would say the amount of leakage is a bit borderline, but it does look like it could be a high K with strong blue fluorescence, so an Ideal Scope request is in order. How much is it?

So I just ask JA for an ideal scope?

Leakage is borderline means it's already bad?

Got Quoted for $3730

 

[JulieN]

Borderline means I know there will be leakage under the Ideal Scope. I know it won't be horrible, but it is there. Yes, you just ask for an Ideal Scope on it. If they confirm a high K color, strong blue fluro, and the leakage is minimal then it is a possibility. You get three Ideal Scopes, so I would probably try these ones:

http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.01-carat-K-color-VVS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-199040
http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.91-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-177998

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Choose three stones and ask for idealscope images. That is the maximum they will usually provide, and it gives you back-up options if the one you think you want is ruled out by the idealscope image.

 

[pxrnm]

Thanks I am making the request now to JA, I'll post the result once I got them.

 

[pxrnm]

Hi,

Got a reply from JA regarding the diamonds that were suggested to check. Please see below for their response: (I trim the msg for simplicity, and take out any personal reference)



Hello,

Thank you for your patience while waiting for the gemologist inspection and idealscope images of diamonds 127136, 177998, and 196540. You'll find the requested images attached to this email for your review.

I'm pleased to let you know that diamond 127136 (1.04crt K VS1) is exceptionally bright and has great fire, brilliance, and scintillation. Visually it's unaffected by its fluorescence, other than a slight boost to its "K" color, which only has a very little amount of warmth. The gemologist really liked how large it faces up and confirmed that it appears completely eye clean.
Link: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Round-cut/1.04-carat-K-color-VS1-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-127136.....


Diamond 177998 (0.91crt J VS2) is also a great option and is equally bright to diamond 127136. When compared side by side, the gemologist found this diamond to possesses the same fantastic fire, brilliance, and scintillation. It has a true "J" color and also appears beautifully eye clean.
Link: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/Round-cut/0.91-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-Excellent-cut-sku-177998


Diamond 196540 (0.81crt J VS2) is also very bright, but in comparison, was just slightly out performed by your other options. It offers a true "J" color and appears eye clean as well.
Link: http://www.jamesallen.com/#!/loose-diamonds/round-cut/0.81-carat-J-color-VS2-clarity-sku-196540.....


You selected three beautiful diamonds, all which would look fantastic mounted in any setting. There is no bad choice amongst the group, but I would encourage you to consider diamond 127136 (1.04crt K VS1) since our gemologist favored it the most. It's a great value and I believe you'll be very satisfied when you see it in person. Please take a moment to review this information and let me know if you have any additional questions.


Best Regards,


JA



Please tell me what you think

 

[JulieN]

The K!

 

[pxrnm]

The K!

Hi Julie,

The Ideal scope looks ok?

Any PSers would like to comment on the K diamond before I take the plunge??

 

[JulieN]

Yes the IS looks fine.

It is a very white K, there are a lot of Ks much more tinted than that. I think the size difference, and very small color tradeoff, between it and the .90 J is worth it.