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Sarah234

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OK GUYS PLEASE HELP ME PICK I HAVE NARROWED MY SEARCH DOWN TO TWO DIAMONDS, ONE WHICH I PUT ON ERE EARLIER
Both round diamonds
Both Excellent cut grades, polish and symmetry both 0.84 and both J
Both graded GIA
Diamond one
Sells nicer ring settings
VS2
6.09 X 6.11 X 3.74
CLARITY - Feather, crystal
Table 57%
Depth 61.3%
Crown Angle 33
Pavillian Angle 41.4
Diamond two
Not as nice ring settings
SI1
Certified on the day I got engaged
Clarity - Cloud
Table 57%
Depth 61.1%
Crown Angle 35
Pavillian Angle 40.8
I just want one picked so i can have a nice ring on my finger. Please help me. I dont want to look at any more diamonds as I''m so confused im gonna cry. I was under the impression that the VS2 would be better but not im not so sure after reading other stuff on ere. My previous ring had a black inclusion and im so fed up. i just wanna have a ring so people will stop asking me where is your ring and i have lost all the emotional attachment already
Thanks guys your help would be very much appricated
 
diamond 2 seems great
 
I agree, diamond 2 looks good so far. Is it eyeclean? And if online, could you get an idealscope pic?

Don''t cry, this should be fun!
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I know guys, only the discription is eye clean. I know i should cry but there are so many options and Im so confused. I have been told its 100% eye clean. Can I ask someone to explain to me why I should go for this one even though its an SI1 OVER THE VS2?
Sarah
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:04:24 PM
Author: Sarah234
I know guys, only the discription is eye clean. I know i should cry but there are so many options and Im so confused. I have been told its 100% eye clean. Can I ask someone to explain to me why I should go for this one even though its an SI1 OVER THE VS2?
Sarah
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Who is the vendor? Is it a trusted source for the "eye clean" statement?

All else being equal (assuming both are similar cut quality) the main reason to go for SI over VS is price. Actually, that's the only real reason
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In this case all else isn't equal since the SI is a MUCH better cut and will sparkle more. The VS is only a 3.2 on the cut advisor )Good if the price is right) whereas the SI is a 1.6 (Excellent). So the SI warrants more information, like a picture or an idealscope.
 
Ditto.

And no tears, this is fun!!!
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what company are you buying these stones from? SI1 should be eyeclean especially when they confirmed that it was..... I would choose diamond 2 bc the pavillion angle and crown angle is right on par whereas diamond 1 is not
 
Its on sale at from blue nile
I asked them for idealscope pic and this is the response I got
I''m sorry to say that we are not able to provide IdealScope reports for our diamonds. This is primarily because the majority of the vault locations that we store our diamonds at do not have these machines on site, but also because we do not believe that the majority of our customers would be able to properly interpret these kinds of reports. A cut appraisal machine is only as good as its calibration, and unless these machines are meticulously calibrated, they will not produce accurate results. Even when perfectly calibrated, the same diamond run through the same machine three times will produce three different results. (This is an experiment I would recommend trying if you ever happen to be at a jewelry store with one of these machines.)
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:06:53 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Who is the vendor? Is it a trusted source for the ''eye clean'' statement?

All else being equal (assuming both are similar cut quality) the main reason to go for SI over VS is price. Actually, that''s the only real reason
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In this case all else isn''t equal since the SI is a slightly better cut and will sparkle more.
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Right. The thinking on this is, if you can''t see anything in either, why pay more (VS2) for what you can''t see?
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Date: 10/29/2008 4:10:07 PM
Author: Sarah234
Its on sale at from blue nile
I asked them for idealscope pic and this is the response I got
I''m sorry to say that we are not able to provide IdealScope reports for our diamonds. This is primarily because the majority of the vault locations that we store our diamonds at do not have these machines on site, but also because we do not believe that the majority of our customers would be able to properly interpret these kinds of reports. A cut appraisal machine is only as good as its calibration, and unless these machines are meticulously calibrated, they will not produce accurate results. Even when perfectly calibrated, the same diamond run through the same machine three times will produce three different results. (This is an experiment I would recommend trying if you ever happen to be at a jewelry store with one of these machines.)
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Ok. BN has a great return policy, so just take the stone to an independant appraiser. If it checks out, great! If not, just send her back.
 
Cut for 2 is better. If it is eye-clean then it is a good deal.
 
You guys are so nice, I just have to say. None of you had to give me advice and you have been so kind and helpful. The SI1 stone is actually £8 more expensive.
Guys should I buy it loose and have it set elsewhere, Im not totally in love with the settings they have available.
Sarah
 
I''m also wondering if any of you have experience with Blue Nile, Is there any chance they can reduce the price? Or Can this diamond be bought at another store perhaps with another setting?
Sarah
 
i would get my setting else where bc i don''t like their setting either
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:17:11 PM
Author: Sarah234
You guys are so nice, I just have to say. None of you had to give me advice and you have been so kind and helpful. The SI1 stone is actually £8 more expensive.
Guys should I buy it loose and have it set elsewhere, Im not totally in love with the settings they have available.
Sarah
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That''s because the cut is so much better.

Importing the stone to the UK and then returning it could be a pain... I recommend that you have the stone sent to an PS recommended appraiser in the US to check it out. If they give you the a-okay, then you have them send it to you in the UK and you can have it set there! Alternatively, you can have the appraiser send it to Whiteflash or another vendor to set for you before having it sent to the UK!
 
I would go with the VS2 as opposed to the SI1
very slight(VS) inclusions are better than slight inclusions (SI).
If you go to the GIA website you will see the definitions of the different clarity gradings.
# Very Slightly Included (VS1 and VS2)
Inclusions are clearly visible under 10× magnification but can be characterized as minor
# Slightly Included (SI1 and SI2)
Inclusions are noticeable to a skilled grader using 10× magnification

Inclusions will affect the way your diamond returns light. I would always to for the higher clarity and both have EX polish and symmetry. You also said that the seller of Diamond #1 also had nicer settings (also important - you do not want to be changing your setting in a year - like me!!!!)
So don''t cry!
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:23:01 PM
Author: Sarah234
I''m also wondering if any of you have experience with Blue Nile, Is there any chance they can reduce the price? Or Can this diamond be bought at another store perhaps with another setting?
Sarah
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Blue nile is what is called a "drop shipper" which means their diamonds are not in house and are instead somewhere else. So sometimes you get a great diamond from them and sometimes not. I am not sure I would totally trust the "eye-clean" label from them either since they do not personally have the diamond in their hot little hands to see. So they are giving you that assurance based on what the actual diamond vendor says... this is why you should probably get the diamond looked at by an appriaser before taking it home, then the appriaser can be your trusted eyes and tell you if it is what you want.

They will not negotiate a price, and since it is a "virtual stone" any other vendore should be able to call it in for you... but if you are going with another PS vendor, I''d say just get one of their lovely stones that are in house and that a person will look at for you and assure you of its beauty... I have personally worked with White Flash and can tell you their customer service is AMAZING and their settings are goreous. If you are up to it, we can help you find a great diamond! From a trusted vendor, you may be able to skip the appriasal stage, I did... but that is up to you.
 
Oh Im so confused, I was all set on th SI1 but to get it set elsewhere now your setting the VS2.
 
Sarah234
I thought both of your diamonds have EX cut grade - one of the replies to you post stated that the cut grade of #2 is much better. If the cut of #2 is superior I would then do with #2
EX/EX cut and polish will absolutely compensate for reduced clarity grading!
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:29:22 PM
Author: magpie1
I would go with the VS2 as opposed to the SI1
very slight(VS) inclusions are better than slight inclusions (SI).
If you go to the GIA website you will see the definitions of the different clarity gradings.
# Very Slightly Included (VS1 and VS2)
Inclusions are clearly visible under 10× magnification but can be characterized as minor
# Slightly Included (SI1 and SI2)
Inclusions are noticeable to a skilled grader using 10× magnification

Inclusions will affect the way your diamond returns light. I would always to for the higher clarity and both have EX polish and symmetry. You also said that the seller of Diamond #1 also had nicer settings (also important - you do not want to be changing your setting in a year - like me!!!!)
So don''t cry!
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Not with an eye-clean SI1 unless you are talking about very large black inclusions, and then it wouldn''t be eye-clean. Besides, the VS2 diamond is not as well cut, so even it will simply not perform as well no matter what the inclusion differences are!
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:35:41 PM
Author: magpie1
Sarah234
I thought both of your diamonds have EX cut grade - one of the replies to you post stated that the cut grade of #2 is much better. If the cut of #2 is superior I would then do with #2
EX/EX cut and polish will absolutely compensate for reduced clarity grading!
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In what way will it compensate? With the naked eye you cannot actually see the difference between very good and excellent, or maybe even good and excellent, so that isn''t a compensation... I think the type of compensation you are talking about it a "mind clean" thing and not really about the performance of the diamond.
 
THE COST OF THESE DIAMONDS IS $1834 IF THAT HELPS ANYONE DECIDE SHOULD I BE ABLE TO FIND A BETTER DIAMOND FOR THIS AMOUNT

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That is a good price for the SI1. In my opinion, the lower HCA score on the VS2 puts it out of the running (GIA Excellent grade can be a little liberal for us crazy PSers
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). To get a similar size stone from WF or GOG or James Allen in same color and clarity you are looking at upwards of $2500-$3000. So the price alone may make that stone a winner, just get the appriasal! SI1s can and often are totally eye clean and with a great cut all you will see is sparkle.
 
Go with #2 because of the cut!
 
Sarah, do you have a good idea of what setting you want? It''s possible if you found it on another vendor''s site, we could fiind you a diamond too.
 
Date: 10/29/2008 5:08:43 PM
Author: Ellen
Sarah, do you have a good idea of what setting you want? It''s possible if you found it on another vendor''s site, we could fiind you a diamond too.
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Agreed. It''s certainly easier to get it all done in one shot and have them set it than to have to ship it around.
 
Here ya go:

http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/-Legato--Sleek-Line_1118.htm

Do a search on "legato sleek line" and you will find lots of hand shots, including mine
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The ring is gorgeous, very delicate.

So what is your total budget? That is the other thing we need to know: As I mentioned, if you want a stone from a different vendor you will pay more than you were thinking of paying for the BN diamond for the same size etc., so if you want to do with a different vendor we need a price range too.
 
Date: 10/29/2008 4:36:24 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie

Date: 10/29/2008 4:29:22 PM
Author: magpie1
I would go with the VS2 as opposed to the SI1
very slight(VS) inclusions are better than slight inclusions (SI).
If you go to the GIA website you will see the definitions of the different clarity gradings.
# Very Slightly Included (VS1 and VS2)
Inclusions are clearly visible under 10× magnification but can be characterized as minor
# Slightly Included (SI1 and SI2)
Inclusions are noticeable to a skilled grader using 10× magnification

Inclusions will affect the way your diamond returns light. I would always to for the higher clarity and both have EX polish and symmetry. You also said that the seller of Diamond #1 also had nicer settings (also important - you do not want to be changing your setting in a year - like me!!!!)
So don''t cry!
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Not with an eye-clean SI1 unless you are talking about very large black inclusions, and then it wouldn''t be eye-clean. Besides, the VS2 diamond is not as well cut, so even it will simply not perform as well no matter what the inclusion differences are!
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Ditto - magpie, cut will be the most important thing that affects light return.
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Date: 10/29/2008 8:21:55 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
Here ya go:

http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/-Legato--Sleek-Line_1118.htm

Do a search on ''legato sleek line'' and you will find lots of hand shots, including mine
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The ring is gorgeous, very delicate.

So what is your total budget? That is the other thing we need to know: As I mentioned, if you want a stone from a different vendor you will pay more than you were thinking of paying for the BN diamond for the same size etc., so if you want to do with a different vendor we need a price range too.
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Right.

The problem with buying the stone from BN but getting it set somewhere else, is that then the stone is not covered (ins.) in the rare event something happened to it while setting. So if budget will allow, it''s better all around if you can find both with one company.

The legato would be perfect!
 
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