Please give your quick opinion on whether I''m being ripped off :)

[abouttobuy]

Hi!

I am about to go purchase this stone (this afternoon!), but I just wanted to post it''s stats here to make sure I''m not making a mistake or I haven''t missed a crucial issue. Mainly I want to know if the price is reasonable and if I really am getting a wonderfully cut stone (the most important thing). My only concern is that the depth is a bit high (62.. And it only scored VG across the board on the Holloway Cut Adviser (I was hoping for excellents).

Thanks so much in advance!

Price: $8,680
Shape: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 7.10 - 7.14 x 4.47 mm
Carat Weight: 1.40
Color Grade: G
Clarity Grade: SI1
Cut Grade: Excellent

Proportions:

Depth: 62.8 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 35°
Crown Height: 15.5 %
Pavilion Angle: 41°
Pavilion Depth: 43.5 %
Star length: 45 %
Lower Half: 85 %
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: None

Finish:

Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

Comments: Additional clouds are not shown.

 

[marchswallowbird]

I would be most concerned with the ''additional clouds are not shown" statement at the bottom. Are these clouds why the stone is SI1? Have you had a gemologist at the vendor look at this actual stone and tell you it is eyeclean?

 

[Lorelei]

I would check this one out carefully, it is a little deeper than I personally prefer and also it could be what we call borderline steep deep with the crown and pavilion angles, preferably an Idealscope image would be very useful to check out this diamond. It also looks as if this diamond is facing up more like a 1.30 carat going by the diameter than 1.40. Also as MSB mentions what is the grade setting inclusion for this diamond? If it is a cloud then there is a slight possibility ( moreso with SI2 however) that the cloud could reduce brilliance perhaps, although this is uncommon, it is worth checking into. "Additional clouds not shown" should not be an issue, but if there is a plotted cloud on the grading report which has caused this diamond to be graded SI1 clarity, then there might be an issue.

 

[abouttobuy]

Thanks - I read that as "there are no additional clouds visible." I take it it means the opposite?

That concerns me a bit, too, because it seemed VERY clean for an SI1. We were not able to see anything in it, and she especially has a very good eye, at least for crystals....

Does the price seem low for the stats, and maybe that''s why?

What do you think about the depth, and should I be concerned at all with the Holloway report coming back as all Very Goods? I tried to attach the image from the HCA, but it didn''t work. The stone falls just to the top right of the red stripe, inside the GIA X line but just outside the AGS0 line.

Thanks for your quick response!

 

[abouttobuy]

Thanks, Lorelei!

What should I look for if it is steep/deep? I think I saw something on this site saying they may have a dark ring in the table area or show dirt on the pavilion....

Do you know if there is a way to get an Idealscope image online if I have the GIA Report number? Also, when I asked if they had an idealscope I could use, he said they had a hearts n arrows scope but that they "didn''t do that" or something regarding the idealscope. Is that BS? It seems like a pretty reputable place, and it''s pretty big (several private rooms).

The grade setting inclusions are 2 crystals and a feather, all 3 towards the girdle (none in the table at all).

I would check this one out carefully, it is a little deeper than I personally prefer and also it could be what we call borderline steep deep with the crown and pavilion angles, preferably an Idealscope image would be very useful to check out this diamond. It also looks as if this diamond is facing up more like a 1.30 carat going by the diameter than 1.40. Also as MSB mentions what is the grade setting inclusion for this diamond? If it is a cloud then there is a slight possibility ( moreso with SI2 however) that the cloud could reduce brilliance perhaps, although this is uncommon, it is worth checking into. "Additional clouds not shown" should not be an issue, but if there is a plotted cloud on the grading report which has caused this diamond to be graded SI1 clarity, then there might be an issue.

" I just love finding new places to wear diamonds!"

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/18/2008 3:17:48 PM
Author: abouttobuy
Thanks, Lorelei!

What should I look for if it is steep/deep? I think I saw something on this site saying they may have a dark ring in the table area or show dirt on the pavilion....

Do you know if there is a way to get an Idealscope image online if I have the GIA Report number? Also, when I asked if they had an idealscope I could use, he said they had a hearts n arrows scope but that they 'didn't do that' or something regarding the idealscope. Is that BS? It seems like a pretty reputable place, and it's pretty big (several private rooms).

The grade setting inclusions are 2 crystals and a feather, all 3 towards the girdle (none in the table at all).

I would check this one out carefully, it is a little deeper than I personally prefer and also it could be what we call borderline steep deep with the crown and pavilion angles, preferably an Idealscope image would be very useful to check out this diamond. It also looks as if this diamond is facing up more like a 1.30 carat going by the diameter than 1.40. Also as MSB mentions what is the grade setting inclusion for this diamond? If it is a cloud then there is a slight possibility ( moreso with SI2 however) that the cloud could reduce brilliance perhaps, although this is uncommon, it is worth checking into. 'Additional clouds not shown' should not be an issue, but if there is a plotted cloud on the grading report which has caused this diamond to be graded SI1 clarity, then there might be an issue.

' I just love finding new places to wear diamonds!'

Ok, this diamond by the look of the crown and pav angles appears to be borderline steep deep - as GIA rounds the numbers it may or may not be in reality. So best thing to do, is to try to look at the diamond in different lights and angles, to make sure you like the look of it, that there aren't dark rings or patches of leakage / dark areas etc - also in the normal light conditions where the diamond will be worn, if the seller permits. I wish there was a way to get an IS image quickly, but there won't be one on the GIA website either unfortunately. The clouds shouldn't be an issue by the look of it, you will need to check the feathers are ok if they reach the girdle and aren't a durabilty issue ( unlikely but best to check.)

This info might help you out - http://www.goodoldgold.com/Technologies/ReflectorTechnologies/ThePitfallsofReflectorTechnologies/

 

[Lorelei]

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[Lorelei]

Also I would definitely suggest you compare it to some other diamonds to get a good idea of how this one looks, ask if they can show you some AGS0 cut grade, these should be very well cut diamonds so you can get a feel for how this one measures up.

 

[abouttobuy]

Thanks so much for your help!

Is there anything I should look for in particular in the idealscope or an H&A scope to be sure this is not too steep/deep? I''ll definitely ask for some ags0''s to look at at the same time.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/18/2008 4:04:35 PM
Author: abouttobuy
Thanks so much for your help!

Is there anything I should look for in particular in the idealscope or an H&A scope to be sure this is not too steep/deep? I'll definitely ask for some ags0's to look at at the same time.

Have a look at the images in this link, that should help there.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/Technologies/ReflectorTechnologies/ThePitfallsofReflectorTechnologies/

And this too - https://www.pricescope.com/idealscope_indx.asp

Also don't be afraid to walk away if you are not sure, there are plenty of diamonds out there and we are here to help you if you need it!