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tycobb9999

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Greetings! My name is Scott, and I have been lurking here for a week or so. I have been trying my best to post a GIA file and a photo, but for the life of me can''t get it to upload.

I am about to make a decision however, so I will give you the raw numbers, and I would very much appreciate opinions from the experts on this board.

1.22C
VS2
I
Polish: VG
GIA says cut grade is "excellent"
Depth: 61.9
Table: 57
6.9, 6.84.4.25
35.0 degree crown
41.2 degree pav
GIA Cert. has "H&A" under other comments.

$5536.00

I know you all probably get tired of doing this, but I have never bought an engagement ring before, and I need all the help I can get. Thanks so much in advance.

Scott
 
I''m no expert, but I ran HCA and it scored 3.6 VG/G/G/VG.

Wait to hear from real pro''s here :) I wouldn''t buy this stone based on this HCA score.

In the mean time do the search here and compare prices.
 
Not a combo I would choose. If you want a stone with an HCA under 2, try stones with these parameters:
table 54-57%
depth 60-62%
crown angle 34-35
pavilion angle 40.7 to 41
polish and symmetry should be at least very good to excellent

That said, an Idealscope is the preferred test method. Any idealscope pictures?
 
Date: 5/5/2008 12:29:25 PM
Author:tycobb9999
Greetings! My name is Scott, and I have been lurking here for a week or so. I have been trying my best to post a GIA file and a photo, but for the life of me can't get it to upload.

I am about to make a decision however, so I will give you the raw numbers, and I would very much appreciate opinions from the experts on this board.

1.22C
VS2
I
Polish: VG
GIA says cut grade is 'excellent'
Depth: 61.9
Table: 57
6.9, 6.84.4.25
35.0 degree crown
41.2 degree pav
GIA Cert. has 'H&A' under other comments.

$5536.00

I know you all probably get tired of doing this, but I have never bought an engagement ring before, and I need all the help I can get. Thanks so much in advance.

Scott
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Hi Scott and welcome!

Personally I would proceed with caution on this diamond, it appears to be a borderline steep deep, which means it may leak light, and not perform as well as it could, but an Idealscope image if you can get one, would be helpful. GIA Excellent cut grade can be broad, so it is best to take each diamond on a case by case basis. Also it may not be a true hearts and arrows, although it is advertised as such, I will add a link which might help you.

https://www.pricescope.com/hearts_indx.asp

If you want to search for more stones, use the cut quality search above to try to find some more contenders, this will make it easier for you. Also you can drop your clarity to SI if verified eyeclean by a trusted vendor, just to open your options a bit more.
 
Thanks for the input everyone; that goes to show how much it can help to get second opinions. I thought I had found a really, really good diamond for the money. I plugged in the parameters of this diamond in the Pricescope comparison tool, and still didn't really see anything that looked a lot better for the price. If anyone has suggestions, I'd love to hear them. I've seen some of you send links to better values when someone posts a diamond that isn't the best they can get for their money. If any of you would like to help, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks again!
 
Here is one, it is an AGS0 H&A http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2712/

Another - I don't know how flexible your budget is, but I thought I would post it anyway. With all SI clarities check the diamond is eyeclean with the vendor. Also I don't know if you are open to a J colour, but considering this may help get you the size you want and a great cut for the budget.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3357/

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-636629.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-906723.htm#
 
Right, Lorelei!
A well cut "J" will look whiter than a poorly cut "I".
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Wow, thank you so very much for the suggestions. For better or worse, though, I have to say I am pretty much stuck on GIA cert., I color, and VS clarity. They are just limits I''ve placed on myself. I originally was only considering VVS, and E , so I''ve already come down.

If I have to, I''ll go down in size.

Thanks again; you''re awesome!
 
You are welcome! I just wanted to add that AGS are actually as well respected as GIA, and the AGS0 cut grade is actually an extremely desirable and coveted cut grade, in case you are not familiar with how the grading labs rank. I just wanted to let you know, you are just as safe choosing AGS0 as GIA, in fact I would definitely pick AGS0 for myself! I am sure the others will chime in to reassure you that a diamond with an AGS0 cut grade can be an excellent choice.

Read more here to show you what I mean.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp
 
I don''t believe in the GIA cut grade, AGS cut grade seems much better for me.
Try to find a diamond that''s not cut for weight retention.
 
Duly noted; thanks!
 
Wow, coming down from E to I is a hugh jump, but not that I is a bad thing. I just picked out my wifes new stones and was like you initially with wanting the best of everything. I settled on H/SI1 because I thought it was a good balance for the money. "Mind" clean or clear is just that - if you can't see it you can't see it. I've read posts about paying a premium for VS stones when you're not going to actually see a difference, and to me that's the biggest area to save or get more for your money. Now with color, I think you "might" notice the difference as you go up/down the scale. For the money I'd rather have better color or bigger size than clarity assuming the stone is eye clean.

Just my humble opinion......
 
Thanks for your opinion, and I don''t disagree. Believe me, I came down from E in "steps", it wasn''t one big jump. As far as VS vs SI, I guess it''s this whole fear of buying off of the internet thing. I guess I feel (right or wrong) that I''m fairly certain to get "eye clean" with a GIS VS, and I may or may not with a SI.

I know there is a return period, but what a hassle.
 
Date: 5/5/2008 3:43:57 PM
Author: tycobb9999
Thanks for your opinion, and I don''t disagree. Believe me, I came down from E in ''steps'', it wasn''t one big jump. As far as VS vs SI, I guess it''s this whole fear of buying off of the internet thing. I guess I feel (right or wrong) that I''m fairly certain to get ''eye clean'' with a GIS VS, and I may or may not with a SI.

I know there is a return period, but what a hassle.
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If you are dealing with honest vendors like the ones Lorelei mentioned, you only have to give a call to know if one of their SI-1 diamonds you are interested in is eye clean or not.
 
Date: 5/5/2008 3:43:57 PM
Author: tycobb9999
Thanks for your opinion, and I don't disagree. Believe me, I came down from E in 'steps', it wasn't one big jump. As far as VS vs SI, I guess it's this whole fear of buying off of the internet thing. I guess I feel (right or wrong) that I'm fairly certain to get 'eye clean' with a GIS VS, and I may or may not with a SI.

I know there is a return period, but what a hassle.
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I know how you feel Ty, but the Pricescope vendors are very used to describing as accurately as they can, if a diamond may match a client's definition of ' eyecleanliness.' This benefits both client and vendor, as no one wins if a diamond keeps whizzing back and forth across the country due to it not being what a client expected for whatever reason, so just tell your chosen vendor what your expectations are for your diamond's appearance inclusionwise, and they will go out of their way to make sure you are happy. If your chosen diamond isn't eyeclean and suitable, they may be able to recommend one that is.
 
Date: 5/5/2008 3:43:57 PM
Author: tycobb9999
Thanks for your opinion, and I don''t disagree. Believe me, I came down from E in ''steps'', it wasn''t one big jump. As far as VS vs SI, I guess it''s this whole fear of buying off of the internet thing. I guess I feel (right or wrong) that I''m fairly certain to get ''eye clean'' with a GIS VS, and I may or may not with a SI.

I know there is a return period, but what a hassle.
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I know exactly what you''re feeling about wondering whether an SI will be eye clean or not because I''m the exact same way. I looked at the location of the inclusions on the stones I bought, the 30-40x magnifications etc, asked the vendor whom I trust implicitly.... and decided there is just no way anyone is ever going to see anything even if they grab my wifes hand and gaze into the stone, it''s just not going to happen. After hours of reading etc.... I decided CUT is king with all of this.

My wifes current e-ring is something like an I2 and because I''m not trained in looking for inclusions I cannot see anything at all. I can only imagine what this killer cut SI1 is going to look like up front and in person.

I''m not trying to change your mind, believe me, this is a personal opinion and thought. You do whatever makes you comfortable and will let you sleep at night.
 
Unless you are buying from Blue Nile, I would trust GOG, Whiteflash, or James Allen to give you an accurate and honest opinion on "eyecleanness". You might want to define your level of eye clean with them to be sure you''re both on the same page.

FWI, I bought a SI2 stone from WF that Bob Hoskins said was eye clean and it was
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Well, I have to say I''m glad to meet you all. You are giving me a level of comfort that can only be gained from the advice of those who have been there. I really appreciate the responses. I''ll look at some SI''s.
 
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