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archangel

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Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.14
Cut: very good
Color: D
Clarity: SI2
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 61.3%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium to thick, faceted
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Measurements: 6.73*6.77*4.14


the image of the diamond shows it has a white cloud in the center about 1/8 the width of the diameter in both length and width. there are no other comment.


I ran it through the HCA and got 1.5
i will get an idealscope on this on monday, which i will upload... as i have learned from this forum...

its from jamesallen.

any thing that might jump out to you regarding the angles and so forth.

thanks in advance.

ps. i been all over the place repeadly increasing my budget/loan
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I would aim for a minimum of Excellent cut with a GIA excellent.

You don't need to keep increasing your budget to get a nice stone, you can get a killer stone that faces up white without spending so much money.

You will pay a high premium for a D colour, but can safely drop quite a few colour grades and still have a stone that faces up very white. I would say aim for G SI1 to get a stone that would likely be eyeclean and still face up very white. A SI2 may not be eyeclean and the inclusions you describe sounds like it won't be.

You will get a much nicer, sparklier stone if you focus on cut rather than the higher D colour. A well cut G, H, I etc stone will look much nicer and whiter and sparklier than a poorly cut lifeless D colour stone.

Do you want to post your budget (the one you really feel comfortable spending and not going overboard, and we can help you find a really nice cut stone?)

Don't stress, we will get there!

ETA - we don't have nearly enough info on angles to make a judgement on that stone. You would need crown and pavillion angles anyway, but I would still aim for a better cut grade.
 
Some suggestions maybe, all killer cuts, so you can safely pick either of these and it will sparkle. You will however need to confirm with the vendor that the stones are eyeclean to your standards.

Different colour grades, but will still face up white.

SI1 stones:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466980.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466974.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466981.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-584871.htm

SI2 stones:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-906726.htm (not sure if eyeclean?)
 
hey, wow, those words very calming to read, i feel all warm inside :)

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1164122.asp

this was the stone from their site.

i had been searching for a G SI1 3ex or 000. i had repeadly increased my budget now my 5th time to double the original. i would feel comfortable spending $5500 on a stone. this was was just over at 5660 with the pricescope/bank transfer discount. i have to wait on the idealscope..

the stones you suggested are definitely out of my range..

i agree with you about the cut.. i dont know why i was soo seduced with the d color and bigger size than what i been looking at for the price. the si2 looks very clean too..

is there anything less than ideal about Jamesallen? they kinda seem to have the lowest price biggest value.
 
Probably nothing, just that their sometimes lack of other diagnostic pics such as ASET or IS isn''t helping us on evaluating which stones are good which are bad. That''s why most of use try and go for WF or GOG, more info easily accessible online.
 
What color grade are you willing to go down to? I am thinking a H or I should be able to get you a good cut stone with SI1. And what is your desired size range?
 
hey, i really didnt want to go below a G. i notice i can pick out an H but never can tell with a G or better.. i really cant see the difference between g,f, or e. i would love a 1.00 G si1 H&A 3ex or 000 with a feather seen only from the bottom or a white cloud on the side.. i just want it over that 1 mark but dont need any more points.

i would go with GOG if they would match JA prices..(hint hint Rhino
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im so close (2 miles) to them its almost criminal not to go with them..
 
Date: 9/26/2008 8:22:28 PM
Author: archangel
hey, i really didnt want to go below a G. i notice i can pick out an H but never can tell with a G or better.. i really cant see the difference between g,f, or e. i would love a 1.00 G si1 H&A 3ex or 000 with a feather seen only from the bottom or a white cloud on the side.. i just want it over that 1 mark but dont need any more points.

i would go with GOG if they would match JA prices..(hint hint Rhino
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im so close (2 miles) to them its almost criminal not to go with them..
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I think you really need to drop something, be it colour, size or clarity but please don''t sacrifice cut - cut is what makes a diamond sparkle and look beautiful.

I would probably suggest dropping your size to just under the 1ct mark, that way you won''t be paying the big price jump for the magic 1ct mark.

I don''t think it''s a matter of GOG matching JA prices - are you comparing the same quality stones? The JA stone is cheaper as it''s not as well cut fullstop. There is a price difference for a reason. You are taking a gamble on using a vendor that doesn''t provide the IS and ASET images etc, escpecially when you are looking at very good cuts, there is no way to assess their quality.

I might try and find some other stones in your budget that are well cut. A well cut 0.95ct or even 0.9ct is going to look sparklier, brighter and bigger than a less well cut 1.05 stone anyway for example. Be back soon.....
 
I know some of these are H, but please consider it. A better cut H will outshine a so-so G anyday. So, humour me
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You are not going to be able to tell the difference between these and a 1ct when set anyway, the difference is so small. You are down to the wire on the other things you need, so I would suggest not worrying about achieving the magic 1ct mark and maximise your budget by focussing on the important things
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http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4950/

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4539/ smidge over budget, but I like it, check if eyeclean

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4535/

ETA - if you live in the same state as GOG, do you have to pay sales tax or something (I'm not sure as I live in Oz)?
 
WF - different state, I believe

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1467021.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1445147.htm not sure if eyeclean need to check, but it's a G SI2

This is just to show you what a well cut D SI1 should cost you, around the same size range. It will give you an idea and show you that the JA stone isn't as well cut.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1466981.htm


ETA - Your other choice, which I think is good, make an appointment with Jon at GOG, and have him show you some stones that fit perfectly into budget. I think that's a good way of seeing the quality, size, colour etc you can realistically afford. He will be able to show you some very good cuts probably vs ideal cuts, and a range of stones between 0.85 - 1.1ct for example. When you line them up I think it's a good way of seeing whether the colour/size/cut jump is worth the price etc. And you get to spend some time with an expert who will show you lots of sparkly diamonds - I can't think of a better way to spend a few hours
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Good luck!!!!
 
thank you swingirl but i cannot see the second link..

the first one i think i have seen in person once.. its a bit too warm for me. i wanna try to keep it atleast an h or better.


a question which i always meant to ask was about eh OGI fire scores in the megascopes. what is good and how much does one that has 95.1 vs 97.5 compare to each other?? i once found a dealer say he had one with 98.x. this is one number i never understood.
 
If you want to stay with G then the one from WF is nice (Honey22 also posted the link). The inclusion is in the middle so it may not be "eye clean" but the SI2 gets you a nice price. If you call the nice folks at WF they'll tell you what the stone looks like in person.

1.02ct G SI2
 
Date: 9/26/2008 7:38:51 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Probably nothing, just that their sometimes lack of other diagnostic pics such as ASET or IS isn't helping us on evaluating which stones are good which are bad. That's why most of use try and go for WF or GOG, more info easily accessible online.
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SC, JA will provide Idealscope on request.

archangel, the diamond you linked could be a nice diamond, ask JA for an Idealscope image, but also check that as a cloud appears to be the grade setter in this SI2, that it isn't interfering with performance. Also you have no worries with using James Allen, they are a highly regarded vendor here.
 
Ya, I saw on some of their stone on cut quality search has them. Just not on every stone apparently. So my bad...
 
Date: 9/27/2008 5:41:46 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
Ya, I saw on some of their stone on cut quality search has them. Just not on every stone apparently. So my bad...
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No worries. They can provide IS images on request for diamonds where they are not already provided.
 
Seeing as you so close, why don''t you just go talk to Jon at GOG and see what they can do?
 
i wouldnt mind going with GOG and i have taken a few trips down there. i have all their videos too from their site. i would love to go with them but the main thing for me is that their stone are always more expensive and even if i try to ignore that and get a lower color or size i cant do it. i just dont like knowing i could have gotten it for better color stone with the same quality for the same price somewhere else.. i just want to maximize my dollar.. i might still end up going with them.. we''ll see if i can over come a few things in my mind..

any advice about the OGI fire trace score? is this a useful number to deal with?

regarding ASET images, what is the perfect image? is there a place where someone has a stone or multiple stones that have PERFECT test images.. like one image with a perfect IS and another stone with a perfect ASET image. its hard for me to visualise what is a perfect one vs an excellent one. its easy to pick out a fair one but how to differenciate the highest.. does this level even matter??

i think if i figure this out i will be "mind clean" as a quote from someone else on this forum.
 
http://www.ideal-scope.com/using_howto.asp

Read this.
 
i edited this post. wow.. that is a website i should have visited earlier.. someone should sticky that site..

thank you for the site..
 
is ASET image good for rounds? or is an idealscope a better determinate?
 
Think both are essentially the same for RB.
 
that is what i was thinking too.. it make more sense for a princess to go with ASET..

i have seen certain stones just have this sparkle even across the room.. this is gonna sound unreasonable to ask but any one exam that can predict this? i have not noticed this with some stones even though they are top quality.. the most sparkle that i have seen came from a H 3vg. unfortunitly it was in a local jeweler who didnt have any of these exams.

this is what i guess i eventually want in the end.. a stone that can just sparkle.. its like ur holding a light saber (sorry my TV is on and "spaceballs" is playing :)
 
Date: 9/27/2008 2:24:02 PM
Author: archangel
is ASET image good for rounds? or is an idealscope a better determinate?
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Idealscope is very useful for determining light leakage or lack of in round diamonds, whereas ASET is more useful for fancy shapes than IS.
 
please see my new post ... I MIGHT HAVE BOUGHT ONE>... thank you all, especially Honey22..
 
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You are more thank welcome Archangel - I will pop over to the new thread and check out this rock hey?
 
Date: 9/27/2008 1:20:37 PM
Author: archangel
i wouldnt mind going with GOG and i have taken a few trips down there. i have all their videos too from their site. i would love to go with them but the main thing for me is that their stone are always more expensive and even if i try to ignore that and get a lower color or size i cant do it. i just dont like knowing i could have gotten it for better color stone with the same quality for the same price somewhere else.. i just want to maximize my dollar.. i might still end up going with them.. we'll see if i can over come a few things in my mind..
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archangel, in response to this do you realize I can broker you a diamond as cheap as any internet vendor? If all we are doing is matching diamond for diamond and service for service we can do that if that is what you want.

I have always offered this choice to people however most of the clients we talk with when given the choice tell us that the value of our services, data and exams far outweigh the small amount it costs to provide these services to our clients. I'm sorry if you don't see that value but if you'd like us to strip away those services and offer you a brokers service we can easily match or beat any advertised internet price on any given diamond with limited data.

Please try to understand that it takes expense to hire a staff, maintain a bricks and mortar store, maintain an in house inventory and spend (sometimes) hours helping a client (and all that at basically the same margins) after the smoke clears. Strip all these things away and you have a brokers deal. Its the easiest way to sell over the net and takes the least time, effort and investments. Although we do provide that option we also offer a different path. If you don't see value in that path then don't choose it. The other way is much easier.

Regards,
 
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