Please advise on this OEC..

[arjunajane]

another pic to help with the whimpering? lol..

 

[Al Gilbertson]

Every now and then, it seems appropriate to comment on these discussions about older styles of cutting. Transitional cut is a term that should be avoided as it has varying definitions (it might be interesting for various Pricescopers to give their definitions). This diamond, with a table just under 50%, could have been cut as early as the 1880’s in the US or after the mid 1890’s in Europe (up until 1930’s), as Europe sought to cut the new American style for the American market (Europe didn’t like it—but they were cutting to the market they were selling to). By 1900, this style was called American Cut, Scientific Cut and Ideal Cut. The original style called for tables between 40 and 50%. Angles for the pav ranged from 39 to 42 (usually 40 to 41, but cutters didn’t have close tolerances in cutting) and crowns got sloppier, depending upon the cutting house, but 34-37 was quite typical. This diamond seems to have a pav angle around 39-40 and crown angle around 36-37, so it is consistent with a style popular in the US that lasted until the 1920’s, when tables started to enlarge (53% and larger, thanks to Tolkowsky’s influence). The lower halves stayed short through the late 1930’s. If the table range was near 53% (cut post 1920 and until the mid 1940’s), it was still called American Cut and Ideal Cut. Transitional cut (came into usage in the 1980’s) is used by some to lump these things together and is hardly definitive for the various modifications taking place. This stone most likely was cut between 1890 and 1920 and given the overwhelming volume of stones cut and imported into the US, compared to that which was cut in the US, was probably cut in one of the cutting centers in Europe. London was particularly quick in taking up this cutting style and was quickly known in Europe as the London Cut, even though it was copying the American Cut. London is another likely origin of this stone—they tended to like the slightly steeper crown (36) over the US cutters who preferred 35.
All of this is to say that this is probably an early Ideal Cut or a London Cut. Specific measurements of the loose stone would help, but it’s always easy to call it a transitional cut and not worry with the details.
Al

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/13/2008 9:40:40 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 11/13/2008 9:07:55 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/13/2008 8:35:35 AM
Author: arjunajane
Thanks so much ladies, it means heaps that ya''ll like it !
If it even looks half as lovely as Surf''s or facetfire''s lovely stones I will be stoked.

I would be whimpering in a quiet corner with anticipation

, how long will it take to arrive????????????

ROFL! you are too funny, I hope its really nice now or it will be a let down!
Unfortunately the stock market/exchange rate just keeps diiiivviinnnngg....but fortunately the seller offers layby

I will put a deposit down, then pay the rest once the economy improves.
So, long story short, I will be doing alot of dsitracting myself until I can finally get it, lol !

Now, wouldn''t you know, just as I finally choose one, another option comes along that looks pretty much like a freakin twin of SG''s stone , (but smaller)..
Can anyone say pendant?
What should I do Lozza.?

Lozza thinks matching pendant always a good idea....

* whimpers and claws at screen*

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/13/2008 10:32:18 AM
Author: Al Gilbertson
Every now and then, it seems appropriate to comment on these discussions about older styles of cutting. Transitional cut is a term that should be avoided as it has varying definitions (it might be interesting for various Pricescopers to give their definitions). This diamond, with a table just under 50%, could have been cut as early as the 1880’s in the US or after the mid 1890’s in Europe (up until 1930’s), as Europe sought to cut the new American style for the American market (Europe didn’t like it—but they were cutting to the market they were selling to). By 1900, this style was called American Cut, Scientific Cut and Ideal Cut. The original style called for tables between 40 and 50%. Angles for the pav ranged from 39 to 42 (usually 40 to 41, but cutters didn’t have close tolerances in cutting) and crowns got sloppier, depending upon the cutting house, but 34-37 was quite typical. This diamond seems to have a pav angle around 39-40 and crown angle around 36-37, so it is consistent with a style popular in the US that lasted until the 1920’s, when tables started to enlarge (53% and larger, thanks to Tolkowsky’s influence). The lower halves stayed short through the late 1930’s. If the table range was near 53% (cut post 1920 and until the mid 1940’s), it was still called American Cut and Ideal Cut. Transitional cut (came into usage in the 1980’s) is used by some to lump these things together and is hardly definitive for the various modifications taking place. This stone most likely was cut between 1890 and 1920 and given the overwhelming volume of stones cut and imported into the US, compared to that which was cut in the US, was probably cut in one of the cutting centers in Europe. London was particularly quick in taking up this cutting style and was quickly known in Europe as the London Cut, even though it was copying the American Cut. London is another likely origin of this stone—they tended to like the slightly steeper crown (36) over the US cutters who preferred 35.
All of this is to say that this is probably an early Ideal Cut or a London Cut. Specific measurements of the loose stone would help, but it’s always easy to call it a transitional cut and not worry with the details.
Al

Great info Al, thank you so much!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 11/13/2008 10:32:18 AM
Author: Al Gilbertson
Every now and then, it seems appropriate to comment on these discussions about older styles of cutting. Transitional cut is a term that should be avoided as it has varying definitions (it might be interesting for various Pricescopers to give their definitions). This diamond, with a table just under 50%, could have been cut as early as the 1880’s in the US or after the mid 1890’s in Europe (up until 1930’s), as Europe sought to cut the new American style for the American market (Europe didn’t like it—but they were cutting to the market they were selling to). By 1900, this style was called American Cut, Scientific Cut and Ideal Cut. The original style called for tables between 40 and 50%. Angles for the pav ranged from 39 to 42 (usually 40 to 41, but cutters didn’t have close tolerances in cutting) and crowns got sloppier, depending upon the cutting house, but 34-37 was quite typical. This diamond seems to have a pav angle around 39-40 and crown angle around 36-37, so it is consistent with a style popular in the US that lasted until the 1920’s, when tables started to enlarge (53% and larger, thanks to Tolkowsky’s influence). The lower halves stayed short through the late 1930’s. If the table range was near 53% (cut post 1920 and until the mid 1940’s), it was still called American Cut and Ideal Cut. Transitional cut (came into usage in the 1980’s) is used by some to lump these things together and is hardly definitive for the various modifications taking place. This stone most likely was cut between 1890 and 1920 and given the overwhelming volume of stones cut and imported into the US, compared to that which was cut in the US, was probably cut in one of the cutting centers in Europe. London was particularly quick in taking up this cutting style and was quickly known in Europe as the London Cut, even though it was copying the American Cut. London is another likely origin of this stone—they tended to like the slightly steeper crown (36) over the US cutters who preferred 35.
All of this is to say that this is probably an early Ideal Cut or a London Cut. Specific measurements of the loose stone would help, but it’s always easy to call it a transitional cut and not worry with the details.
Al

hi Al, that is fantastic info and I am very happy that you have posted in my thread - you are correct, calling it "transition" is the easy way out, as I am certainly no expert and am just going on what the seller called it.

But it is fantastic that you could assess all that info from my pictures, and I very much appreciate it having these details at hand.
If I may ask you a question, based on the angles you have deduced, would you say this will have good light return in person or would you need more info (exact table, diameter etc)..?

Thankyou for your thoughts!

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 11/13/2008 11:16:43 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/13/2008 9:40:40 AM
Author: arjunajane

Date: 11/13/2008 9:07:55 AM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/13/2008 8:35:35 AM
Author: arjunajane
Thanks so much ladies, it means heaps that ya'll like it !
If it even looks half as lovely as Surf's or facetfire's lovely stones I will be stoked.

I would be whimpering in a quiet corner with anticipation

, how long will it take to arrive????????????

ROFL! you are too funny, I hope its really nice now or it will be a let down!
Unfortunately the stock market/exchange rate just keeps diiiivviinnnngg....but fortunately the seller offers layby

I will put a deposit down, then pay the rest once the economy improves.
So, long story short, I will be doing alot of dsitracting myself until I can finally get it, lol !

Now, wouldn't you know, just as I finally choose one, another option comes along that looks pretty much like a freakin twin of SG's stone , (but smaller)..
Can anyone say pendant?
What should I do Lozza.?

Lozza thinks matching pendant always a good idea....

* whimpers and claws at screen*

Yes, me thinks I agrees...


...you are too funny..

 

[beaujolais]

Hey, great. I love it and I love the settings.

Al, what a wealth of knowledge. Tell us about yourself.

 

[softly softly]

Date:

ROFL! you are too funny, I hope its really nice now or it will be a let down!

Unfortunately the stock market/exchange rate just keeps diiiivviinnnngg....but fortunately the seller offers layby

I will put a deposit down, then pay the rest once the economy improves.

So, long story short, I will be doing alot of dsitracting myself until I can finally get it, lol !

Hmm not sure our dollar will ''recover'' any time soon

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 11/13/2008 11:33:05 PM
Author: softly softly

Date:

ROFL! you are too funny, I hope its really nice now or it will be a let down!

Unfortunately the stock market/exchange rate just keeps diiiivviinnnngg....but fortunately the seller offers layby

I will put a deposit down, then pay the rest once the economy improves.

So, long story short, I will be doing alot of dsitracting myself until I can finally get it, lol !

Hmm not sure our dollar will 'recover' any time soon

Hey SS - i fear you are right, but one can always hope, lol...
Some days are better than others of course, so I'll just wait for those better days...

 

[HeartingDiamonds]

Date: 11/13/2008 1:00:20 AM
Author: arjunajane
hey Gracey! Thankyou Honey! It is that transitional that I emailed you...do you want to tell me what you think here..?

Ok, I have been officially goaded!

Pretty stone - it appears to have the flower pattern that you LICK so much !

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 11/14/2008 12:33:10 AM
Author: HeartingDiamonds

Date: 11/13/2008 1:00:20 AM
Author: arjunajane
hey Gracey! Thankyou Honey! It is that transitional that I emailed you...do you want to tell me what you think here..?

Ok, I have been officially goaded!

Pretty stone - it appears to have the flower pattern that you LICK so much !

Oh no, I didn''t mean anything!
Yes, Lick so much..ROFL

 

[arjunajane]

Lol, what did I say -buyers remorse?
Look whats listed again!
Hopefully the bidding will stay sane this time!