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I am in the buying market, and researching HRD stones has led me to this forum.

I am looking at and have a deposit for a stone looking for and seeking professional guidence. I am not really familiar with HRD but have read about them now. Should I have any reservations about purchasing HRD stone at all??? I had a similar GIA stone option...(

I am no expert so please forgive any ignorance, any useful info or input appreciated. I am curious as to what you guys think this should sell for also.

Details are as follows:

HRD Certified
Round
2.02
sI2
flour: nil
Color: j
8.19-8.22mm x 4.96 mm
proportions: very good
girdle: medium 3.5% faceted
cutlet: pointed
table width 60%
cr height: 13%
pav(?) depth: 44%
finish: very good

Thanks in advance for all help provided.
 
also, how and where do I get this SARIN, or idealscope <-- not sure if that is correct, but these other reports, should the selling dealer provide this information at time of purchase?
 
Can anyone shed some light on this subject? I just want this to be spectacular and want to know if there is something I am missing or simply need to know about this stone, or HRD stones. It is an eye clean si2 much cleaner than other si1''s ive seen!!! There is nothing really to see in the table with loop either. I feel pretty good about it all together but dont know about all of these crown heights, %, or details on the cut. Any info and help would be great.
 
Date: 8/22/2008 10:53:47 AM
Author: nos96
Can anyone shed some light on this subject? I just want this to be spectacular and want to know if there is something I am missing or simply need to know about this stone, or HRD stones. It is an eye clean si2 much cleaner than other si1's ive seen!!! There is nothing really to see in the table with loop either. I feel pretty good about it all together but dont know about all of these crown heights, %, or details on the cut. Any info and help would be great.
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Hi nos,

If you ask the dealer if he could get a Sarin report on this diamond, then that would give detailed measurements of the diamond which would help to judge the cut. Also if possible, an Idealscope image would be useful. Some sellers may have a way to get this info but some may not. It is certainly worth considering this stone if you have looked at other diamonds and like it, but the crown and pavilion angles particularly and depth would be very helpful. The table is a little larger than we normally see here, but some prefer that look, see if you can compare some diamonds with smaller tables to see which appeals most - around 54- 57%. Do you know what the grade making inclusion is for the SI2 grade?

HRD is a respected lab, not widely known in the USA, seen more often in Europe.
 
I like HRD as a lab - I'm based in Europe and it's more common here.

Some people are put off because their highest grade is 'very good' - that doesn't mean that they don't have stones that wouldn't class as excellent or ideal with labs like GIA, but make sure you get all the stats.

It's also a bit irritating that they use percentages...
 
he has a GIA for about the same price available to me, however its a K color but an si1 that is very clean. Weight is 2.04 and measures around 8.01mm if I recall? I could find out more info if that is recommended. I have emailed HRD and they are going to send some more info on the stone that they have on file. I have looked at this stone many times, with other options, and always seem to fall back to it for nice piece and overall value. Ill try to post more measurement info as I get it. But this is the best I keep finding at the $10600 price... what do you think
 
Date: 8/22/2008 2:52:55 PM
Author: nos96
he has a GIA for about the same price available to me, however its a K color but an si1 that is very clean. Weight is 2.04 and measures around 8.01mm if I recall? I could find out more info if that is recommended. I have emailed HRD and they are going to send some more info on the stone that they have on file. I have looked at this stone many times, with other options, and always seem to fall back to it for nice piece and overall value. Ill try to post more measurement info as I get it. But this is the best I keep finding at the $10600 price... what do you think
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Have you seen a K colour in person? This grade is fine for some, but it may show a very slight tint in some lights and that is a larger stone you are considering. If you could view the K in person then that would be fine to see where your colour tolerances are.

If you like the first diamond then it is definitely worth consideration, post the rest of the info when you get it.
 
Hey Nos,

I am wondering if people on here are endorsing HRD as comparable to GIA? I don''t recall this being the case a few years ago but I haven''t had an HRD question in a long long time.

In any event for a few hundred more bucks you are in GIA 2ct J SI1 territory with VG''s to Ex''s. And maybe some flo to neutralize the J and help get a more H/I type face up. GIA K SI1 and you should be $400 to $1000 less and in J SI2''s mid $10k can get you Triple Excellents.

Marty
CEO/Pres
www.dbsdiamonds.com
 
Colour-wise, in the J-colour-area, HRD often is stricter than GIA. A J-HRD could well be an I-colour.

Then again, if that were the case, the dealer would have gotten a GIA-report, and sell it with that.

Clarity-grading is generally on par with GIA, definitely in VS and SI-range.

Live long,
 
Date: 8/22/2008 4:35:28 PM
Author: Paul-Antwerp
Colour-wise, in the J-colour-area, HRD often is stricter than GIA. A J-HRD could well be an I-colour.

Then again, if that were the case, the dealer would have gotten a GIA-report, and sell it with that.

Clarity-grading is generally on par with GIA, definitely in VS and SI-range.

Live long,
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I"ll agree with that...

These days GIA are ridiculous when it comes to their color grading..., lately very inconsistent
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I find HRD very consistent in their color-clarity grading! I would feel safe with their opinions!
 
So it seems I should feel safe with the HRD cert and grading...? But I am also concearned with thoughts on the cut. I am trying to find time to get additional information and measurments together, but is there not enough info available in my first post to judge the cut? I want it to be blingy. I want it to reflect light as it should with a quailty cut, and not loose the light by it being too spready... but I know very little about this part. HRD calls proportions "VG" which if I understand correctly is their highest grading? But am I also correct in seeing that 8.20 is just a tad spready considering the weight? Or is it really so much that its going to drastically change the bling factor?

This is a big purchase to me and I just want to feel good about it, and its not too late to change my mind. The dealer is being VERY flexiable and extremely helpful. He makes me quite comfortable and I know he will work with me until I am happy which is great!!! He has and gets pleanty of stones (GIA and HRD) and I am not in a huge hurry, just want to make a good choice. Should I wait around for a bigger, or better deal?

and to Lorelei, I have seen the K GIA on person and I do notice more of the yellow tint, I really prefer the whiter colour of this HRD J for sure, id like to go ever lighter but the budget is getting thin
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. The K gia was a slightly smaller table and cleaner to the loop, both clean to the naked eye. I can post the cert if that would help for the inclusion details?
 
If you could post the details for the other stone, that would be very helpful.

Also what you could do if you like the J stone, order a beginner Idealscope, then you could check it out for yourself. The Idealscope is very useful to help judge cut and is relatively inexpensive.

http://www.ideal-scope.com/cart_zoom_item.asp?Id=2&ShowAdd=Y
 
I asked the dealer about the ideal scope and he got one (of other type and brand) and brought it out to me, this one had an aluminum base with a divit to rest the stone in. I only looked at it with the cutlet down, Do i need to look at it both ways? (cutlet up and down) . At the time I was not to sure what to look for but I am researching that now on this wonderful site. I really am learning so much...which is getting harder and harder on my wallet!!! I am going back tomorrow and will look at it and compare it to another nicer option while I am there and will ask him to have the SARIN measurements available for me.


Since I am starting to second guess all of this. Do you guys and gals have any recommendations of available stones?

Looking for round, around 2 cts, i,j or better, eye clean, and of course all of the other must have's with cut and brilliance. Want to be as close to 10k as possible.

Thanks for all help everone has given.
 
Sounds like a hearts and arrows viewer.
 
Date: 8/27/2008 11:48:52 PM
Author: JulieN
Sounds like a hearts and arrows viewer.
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That sounds right. I asked if he had an ideal scope and he said "to see the hearts and arrows"

Would this provide similar results? Are these both alike?
 
Nos, this sounds like a very nice diamond.

You can rest easy with the HRD cert, it usually is as good as GIA, sometimes better.

I ran the cut through the DiamCalc analysis, and it comes up with crown and pavilion angles which are probably in the 33.0 / 41.3 neighborhood. This makes for a lively stone with a little light leakage inside the table which probably could not be picked up by the naked eye.

The GIA cut grading on this stone would be "excellent".

The pricing is also excellent. A very good price.

If you like it visually, I would rest easy and buy it.
 
Date: 8/28/2008 12:45:59 AM
Author: Richard Sherwood
Nos, this sounds like a very nice diamond.

You can rest easy with the HRD cert, it usually is as good as GIA, sometimes better.

I ran the cut through the DiamCalc analysis, and it comes up with crown and pavilion angles which are probably in the 33.0 / 41.3 neighborhood. This makes for a lively stone with a little light leakage inside the table which probably could not be picked up by the naked eye.

The GIA cut grading on this stone would be ''excellent''.

The pricing is also excellent. A very good price.

If you like it visually, I would rest easy and buy it.
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That makes me very happy to hear, thank you. I have mixed feelings, and I think the lighting in the showroom there could be better and when I look at it there (inside) I feel that the fire and brilliance could be better. We took it outside with 2 other options and I did like it best, the day I left the deposit it was looking beautiful!!!. The PS site has taught me how over evaluate a diamond...which I am ALWAYS notorious for doing with EVERYTHING. But I am really stretching my budget to get what we want, and I dont want to be dissapointed after the fact. Tomorrow should bring the rest of the measurements which will provide the missing pieces to this puzzle.
 
No problem, be happy.

There''s more to buying a diamond than you ever thought possible, eh? I''ve been studying the little critters for 29 years now, and still learn something new almost daily.

It''s much easier to buy a car.
 
Date: 8/28/2008 1:12:45 AM
Author: Richard Sherwood
No problem, be happy.

There''s more to buying a diamond than you ever thought possible, eh? I''ve been studying the little critters for 29 years now, and still learn something new almost daily.

It''s much easier to buy a car.
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Boy you got that right!!!!! Its certainly a difficult decision. And to think, She will probably never know or understand the detail and effort involved. And would probably be happy just the same with considerably less quality
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. Its amazing how little most people know about a diamond and what makes for a nice stone. But then again somebody has to buy all the ones that PS''ers wouldnt! I am getting excited. I still have to find/design the setting for my next challenge! Then figure out how to propose
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So I got a chance to go see the stone again, and asked them to have some more measurments available for me. They commented that they dont have a SARIN machine and cannot provide me with that report unless they send it out to a jeweler that has one in the Atlanta area. Do you guys advise that I request that they do that for me?

They said that most of the measurments are all there, and if you do the math with the HRD supplied %'s that will answer alot of the questions. He did measure the crown angle at 35 degrees and also commented that the table is 59.472% but rounded up typically to 60%. Crown height 13% pav depth is 44% and is 2.024 ct RB.. Is this enough info find out what I need and want to know.
 
Just wondering if having the addition of the crown angle will be enough information to tell me what I need and want to know about the stone. The seller mentioned that most of the other measurments are there in the HRD report. Should I ask them to send it to another place to get a full SARIN? That may cost me a few extra $$$.
 
??? Getting down to the wire, just wondering how this measurement will compliment the rest of the stone? Any thoughts?
 
Sorry if you feel ignored...there''s not a lot of info. Send it to Rich.
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