Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Views

[bunnycat]

A friend posted this article, and I thought it was a very good read. It talks about the effect of reframing your positions in terms someone with an opposing view will understand. Not only do I think it is useful in terms of discussion, but also for me to have to think through something in someone else's terms would help me understand them better, and hopefully them me conversely..

There's a TED talk on it as well. I'll try to post. I just prefer to read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/the-simple-psychological-trick-to-political-persuasion/515181/

 

[Tekate]

Re: Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Vi

A friend posted this article, and I thought it was a very good read. It talks about the effect of reframing your positions in terms someone with an opposing view will understand. Not only do I think it is useful in terms of discussion, but also for me to have to think through something in someone else's terms would help me understand them better, and hopefully them me conversely..

There's a TED talk on it as well. I'll try to post. I just prefer to read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/the-simple-psychological-trick-to-political-persuasion/515181/

Bunnycat! that was wonderful, thank you so much. It's hard for me to form what I feel is a moral obligation as patriotic, but I'm gonna try... I'm an old hippie and am patriotic but to appeal to patriotism is anathema to me, but I'm going to practice.

thanks very much.

 

[OreoRosies86]

Re: Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Vi

Some people just can’t bring themselves to take that last step, he said, even if they know it’s more effective. And perhaps the reason it’s so difficult is because politics is so deeply intertwined with our personal values. When something is important to us, it’s usually for a reason, and it’s hard to break free of those reasons, even for political expediency’s sake. To do so would take an abundance of empathy, and that’s in short supply all around these days.

What’s more, not every researcher buys that it is quite so easy to persuade ideological opponents in the current climate, where people are changing their avatars to “#Resist” and “#MAGA.” “This [research] assumes that both sides are rational and at least partially open to hearing a different point of view,” said Blair Kidwell, a Florida International University professor whose consumer psychology research was cited by Feinberg and Willer. He says Trump is spearheading a “war on facts and even information itself,” which is causing many conservatives to distrust anyone but a fellow Trump supporter. “This is something, in my opinion, that cannot be fixed simply by appealing to conservative’s authority, purity ,and duty,” he added.

 

[redwood66]

Re: Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Vi

Eliot you forgot the first part of that section.

So if it’s so easy, why don’t more people—either in studies or in real life—try this strategy?

“We tend to view our moral values as universal,” Feinberg told me. That “there are no other values but ours, and people who don't share our values are simply immoral. Yet, in order to use moral reframing you need to recognize that the other side has different values, know what those values are, understand them well enough to be able to understand the moral perspective of the other side, and be willing to use those values as part of a political argument.”

And what was after

Still, there’s one thing Feinberg said definitely won’t work. In the wake of the executive order, Feinberg said he saw lots of liberals lobbing ad-hominem attacks, such as “you're being un-American” or “you’re making the Statue of Liberty cry.”

“People typically do not do well when attacked,” he said, “this could simply push them to be more staunch in their position.”

If you can’t persuade your political foes, that is, you can at least try not to make the conflict worse.


I agree with the portions both Eliot and I have posted. Thanks for the article!

 

[bunnycat]

Re: Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Vi

A friend posted this article, and I thought it was a very good read. It talks about the effect of reframing your positions in terms someone with an opposing view will understand. Not only do I think it is useful in terms of discussion, but also for me to have to think through something in someone else's terms would help me understand them better, and hopefully them me conversely..

There's a TED talk on it as well. I'll try to post. I just prefer to read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/the-simple-psychological-trick-to-political-persuasion/515181/

Bunnycat! that was wonderful, thank you so much. It's hard for me to form what I feel is a moral obligation as patriotic, but I'm gonna try... I'm an old hippie and am patriotic but to appeal to patriotism is anathema to me, but I'm going to practice.

thanks very much.

You are welcome Tekate.

I think you and I got a similar take away from this. For me, the point is how can I apply this to myself and expand my own thinking and way of conversing (and boy is it hard! It's a good mental exercise!), as opposed to how can I apply this to the other side to point out what I see as an error on their part. I think that way lies yet more trouble and misunderstanding and just keeps things running in circles.

When items of things I am not fond of (like a large military) were reframed to point out it could also be a good poverty fighting tool, then yes, that does give me an alternate way to think of it.

What I would hope would happen would be that people could think of how the other person might be thinking and internalize that in their approach to a response, rather than using the article as a means to say "we told you so" or "this only applies to how you should interact with me and not me with you". Like I said, that road won't be traveled down long, or lead to much actual discourse. Mostly, it just wears people out.

 

[Tekate]

Re: Persuasion: Understanding and Responding to Different Vi

A friend posted this article, and I thought it was a very good read. It talks about the effect of reframing your positions in terms someone with an opposing view will understand. Not only do I think it is useful in terms of discussion, but also for me to have to think through something in someone else's terms would help me understand them better, and hopefully them me conversely..

There's a TED talk on it as well. I'll try to post. I just prefer to read.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/the-simple-psychological-trick-to-political-persuasion/515181/

Bunnycat! that was wonderful, thank you so much. It's hard for me to form what I feel is a moral obligation as patriotic, but I'm gonna try... I'm an old hippie and am patriotic but to appeal to patriotism is anathema to me, but I'm going to practice.

thanks very much.

You are welcome Tekate.

I think you and I got a similar take away from this. For me, the point is how can I apply this to myself and expand my own thinking and way of conversing (and boy is it hard! It's a good mental exercise!), as opposed to how can I apply this to the other side to point out what I see as an error on their part. I think that way lies yet more trouble and misunderstanding and just keeps things running in circles.

When items of things I am not fond of (like a large military) were reframed to point out it could also be a good poverty fighting tool, then yes, that does give me an alternate way to think of it.

What I would hope would happen would be that people could think of how the other person might be thinking and internalize that in their approach to a response, rather than using the article as a means to say "we told you so" or "this only applies to how you should interact with me and not me with you". Like I said, that road won't be traveled down long, or lead to much actual discourse. Mostly, it just wears people out.

As to the bolded part! reframing just by saying assisting in poverty had me thinking. I do don't like a huge military, but as a tool to assist I could live with that (I think )