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PLEASE, as so many others have already stated, DO NOT get the 61 table. Flat and ugly to look at and just not a good performer. That’s what my previous stone was. Miserable for the 16 years I had it. Please please let that one go! Let my mistake serve to help you have a better outcome than I did last time around.
As an aside, my current jeweler (NOT where I got my horrible stone I just mentioned) did say that there are stones with an H & A pattern that are not good performers but I would venture to guess that’s not the norm. He also said he’s had AGS000s that didn’t have stellar ASETs so it’s not always a guarantee but, again, I would imagine the exception, not the rule. He assesses all his stones using ASET and Idealscope so each stone is getting evaluated and not going by what the paper says.
Something I don’t think that has been mentioned (I apologize if it was and I missed it) is that I have an issue with buying a diamond that’s already set. How do the other PSers here feel? I am not saying this would always be the case, but it would seem to me why would a jeweler be motivated to put his best (or at least better) stones in mountings? To me that seems to be putting lipstick on a pig as the saying goes... dress it all up and offer instant gratification to the lady eagerly awaiting the proposal and very emotionally motivated (I say this with no judgement... I’ve been that girl so I get it).
Diamonds are $$$ and I think they should be viewed unmounted. It’s just like appraisals... if the item is already mounted, a proper appraisal should indicate as such, hence the assessment is LIMITED. So why would someone purchase a diamond with limited viewing capacity???
Yes, I suppose if the mounted stone had an AGS report as 000 with all instrumentation documents for performance and a well-defined plot map then you could be pretty safe... but clearly there’s a reason why all the PS recommended vendors sell their stones UNMOUNTED!
Thoughts on this? Am I wrong? Anyone else ever questioned diamonds already mounted?
With regard to someone mentioning one of the stones in question had some light leakage at the 9o’clock position, my new stone did have 1 spot that was a little clear on ASET but I had to take all the other pluses about my stone into consideration and made the determination it would be okay. That it’s other attributes overcame a minimal shortfall.
But I don’t think that’s what we are talking about here... things need to get on the right course first and then hone in on priorities.
 
A few comments on the above post by headlight, im not going to quote it.
True there are AGS0 stones that are not not great and its getting worse.
The cutter that has been gaming the GIA system with wide ranging pavilion and twisted lowers for a while has broken into AGS0 to add to the edge cases not top of the line stones that has been there.

It is true a stone with perfect H&A can have angles or % that do not work well together.

Some jewelers even ones that sell well cut stones find that in their market even online, completed rings sell better than lose stones.
You can not get a heart image of a mounted diamond but you can get ASET images.
They could take heart images before mounting the stone but they can't be verified without removing the stone.
Its not that different than picking a stone, a ring and having it mounted before you ever see it.
That a jeweler mostly offers completed rings is not a sure sign of a bad jeweler.
Just a disclaimer I worked for a time for an online vendor who is on PS that offers mostly mounted stones for his market/marketing it is what works for him.
 
Karl,
Thank you for that info... I appreciate it and the opportunity to learn.
Very frustrating and disappointing (as discussed on the other thread) about standards slipping through the cracks, now not with just one but with both the 2 top respected labs :-(
 
Sorry I should have clarified they are all loose diamonds, I was oooking at settings towards the end and had them place it on it to get a pic to show off to my parents :)
 
And thank you for all of the advice. I will roll out the 61% table stone. They kept mentioning how nice the spread was in the store, and I didn’t realize there’s drawbacks to that until doing research and being on here.

I’m curious why the 1.39 is “only” Private selection. I will speak to white flash tomorrow. Any ideas though?

I wish they had something in an H because G is out of the budget for this size and I’m hoping I’ll be OK with I. I know it’s only one step down in color but I’ve seem to of heard H is the sweet spot for price and color and I you start noticing more color. It’s all a give-and-take game, here is the page I’ve been staring at for too long trying to decide LOL once more.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=4089366,4065507,4001980
 
Yay!!! I’ll give WF a call tomorrow and ask for side by sides of the ones below. But the 1.39 is nice!! I’m wondering why the stone Is only premium select and not expert or ACA if the measurements are perfect. Must’ve been something they picked up on the hearts and arrow?

Here are the final 3 contenders.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=4089366,4065507,4001980

It has a lower half length of 75 - ACA is 76-80 - don’t worry about the 75!!! People here love the 75 :kiss2:

Here’s a note though - finding a PS like this is lucky ... there are lurkers on here that will scoop it if you don’t move quickly
 
That WF one looks fabulous and with that cut don’t worry about the I color IMO.
 
Ereeg, all three you picked are fireballs! The Si stones look like Vs to me, nice ones. Even with Premium and Expert selections you have the same valuable trade-up for a dollar more in the future. Don’t discount that benefit.

Looking at these stones is like seeing a dozen small prisms in motion. A flat-top diamond is like looking at the end of a flashlight. All white, no mesmerizing fire.

Congratulations! It’s been fun shopping with you.
 
Yay!!! I’ll give WF a call tomorrow and ask for side by sides of the ones below. But the 1.39 is nice!! I’m wondering why the stone Is only premium select and not expert or ACA if the measurements are perfect. Must’ve been something they picked up on the hearts and arrow?

Here are the final 3 contenders.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=4089366,4065507,4001980
Just my guess...probably b/c the depth is > 62%?. The GIA stone is very nice.
 
Just my guess...probably b/c the depth is > 62%?. The GIA stone is very nice.

Yup - PS because over 62 depth and 75 lower half length ... I still like this one the best - likely to be the most fiery with the smaller table and higher crown ... however, the difference is really small and I’m not sure how much you would notice it.

The ES is because of the little green spot on the ASET

All great choices!
 
@Ereeg The 2.223 J ACA I ordered from Whiteflash in the last 3 weeks(ended up going BIGGER) was sooo white, I could not believe it! As said here often, a well cut stone will face up amazingly well. WF has been so good to me during this transaction in process. I have purchased from them before as well, and seems their customer service has only gotten better! Check out the I. I am sure you'll be impressed.:))
 
www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D2TPFO17-5FiqQ-26feature-3Dyoutu.be&d=DwMGaQ&c=n4nxo_3wbMT6jcMjwPfD0w&r=NB3o6qDPeInE752oVK_Q6tSzpyTmKDoZT6L5El1bpx4&m=JKNW9O27G3Lit1zlm6dgEeF3L14f9M0J7pQOa33lauY&s=R3eVeHnRkUPIeFkFyQ49iTb_GesNAmJXkTj1HLrizJk&e=

Here are the three contenders side-by-side! I’m not really able to tell much of a difference LOL what are the experts out there think!? Please note the 1.324 I SI1 A Cut Above is $8600, the 1.26 G SI1 Expert selection is $9200 the 1.39 I VS2 Private selection (smallest table deepest depth) Is $9600-I’m not seeing a huge size difference not sure if it will justify $1000.

I do have one on reserve but I’m not telling which one!
 
www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D2TPFO17-5FiqQ-26feature-3Dyoutu.be&d=DwMGaQ&c=n4nxo_3wbMT6jcMjwPfD0w&r=NB3o6qDPeInE752oVK_Q6tSzpyTmKDoZT6L5El1bpx4&m=JKNW9O27G3Lit1zlm6dgEeF3L14f9M0J7pQOa33lauY&s=R3eVeHnRkUPIeFkFyQ49iTb_GesNAmJXkTj1HLrizJk&e=

Here are the three contenders side-by-side! I’m not really able to tell much of a difference LOL what are the experts out there think!? Please note the 1.324 I SI1 A Cut Above is $8600, the 1.26 G SI1 Expert selection is $9200 the 1.39 I VS2 Private selection (smallest table deepest depth) Is $9600-I’m not seeing a huge size difference not sure if it will justify $1000.

I do have one on reserve but I’m not telling which one!
Can't see the video! Anyone else having this issue?
 
Me, either :-(
 
I can see the video now! I honestly am having a hard time seeing any overt differences between the 3. Maybe others with more eagle eyes can see stuff I can't?
 
Ugh...I cant even tell the color difference. I like the one on the far right probably because it looks the biggest. Between the other two, I cant even
say. I'd probably go with the 1.32 and save myself the $1k. Sure wish I knew which one that was:lol:!
 
I have the 1.324 reserved (far left face up :twisted2:) the jump in price for either G color or larger ct weight didn’t seem worth it to me.

Now to decide on WF knife edge w/mods or Vatche U 113 or WF classic elegant, and I’m so good at decisions (sarcasm)!
 
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4095764.htm

And I should have not checked the fridge while on a diet, this guy popped up! 1.385 I VS2 vs 1.324 I SI1 (reserved). Looks noticeably cleaner than the 1.324 and should be noticeably bigger. But they are both eye clean per WF. Also $900 more expensive for the 1.385-but still in the higher end of the budget.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare/?idnos=4095764,4001980

Interesting why the 1.39 PS is more expensive than the 1.385 ACA and the ACA faces up larger with all the same clarity and color ratings. Thoughts on why?
 
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https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4095764.htm

And I should have not checked the fridge while on a diet, this guy popped up! 1.385 I VS2 vs 1.324 I SI1 (reserved). Looks noticeable cleaner than the 1.324 and should be noticeable bigger. But they are both eye clean. Also $900 more expensive for the 1.385-but still in the higher end of the budget.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare/?idnos=4095764,4001980

Interesting why the 1.39 PS is more expensive than the 1.385 ACA and the ACA faces up larger with all the same clarity and color ratings. Thoughts on why?
For some bizarre reason WF is down for me right now! but I'll check soon!
 
Were you able to view?!
 
Anyone else know why this seems so affordable especially compared to the 1.39 O
PS?
 
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4095764.htm

And I should have not checked the fridge while on a diet, this guy popped up! 1.385 I VS2 vs 1.324 I SI1 (reserved). Looks noticeably cleaner than the 1.324 and should be noticeably bigger. But they are both eye clean per WF. Also $900 more expensive for the 1.385-but still in the higher end of the budget.

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare/?idnos=4095764,4001980

Interesting why the 1.39 PS is more expensive than the 1.385 ACA and the ACA faces up larger with all the same clarity and color ratings. Thoughts on why?
No clue why the PS is more expensive. It actually makes no sense. The ACA likely has better performance (based on numbers). But they won't look different in size IRL. Just FYI, the difference in size is literally miniscule and won't be noticible at all. Stick with the ACA.
 
Between the one you had reserved and this new one, I'd have them take a video for you. .1mm Is the size difference, which likely won't be noticible IRL (7.04mm vs 7.12mm)
 


Here are the two videos WF sent me.

1.39 I VS2 on left ($900 more)
1.324 I SI1 on right

What do you think?! I need to decide already I am spending too much time staring at these :)
 
I really don't see much of a difference. For me personally, I wouldn't want to spend the etra $$ and would stick with the one you chose.
 
The one hesitation I have is going higher than I in color for less carat size for a G or H, but the videos they look so similar!
 
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