PEAR ..please help!

[aquarius4u]

hi,
is this a good stone?
pear shape
2.19 ct
SI2
f color
polish:vg symmetry: good
measurements: 11.17 x 6.97 x 4.56 mm
flourescence: faint
depth: 65.4
table: 57
price: 10k including setting
is this good? please help!
thank you!

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 7/1/2006 6:08:32 PM
Author:aquarius4u
hi,
is this a good stone?
pear shape
2.19 ct
SI2
f color
polish:vg symmetry: good
measurements: 11.17 x 6.97 x 4.56 mm
flourescence: faint
depth: 65.4
table: 57
price: 10k including setting
is this good? please help!
thank you!

Hi Aquarius (from another Aquarian).

First: It's difficult to assess fancy shapes on simple numbers. We can give you a bit of guidance but nothing decisive. Having some photos & a reflector image could help a bit more, but your best bet is to work with an experienced seller whom you have come to trust.

Second: With the above said, those numbers are representative of a pear that has potential to be nice. It is hard to acquire EX EX in these shapes so VG/G polish/sym is expected. Do you have girdle information? Which lab issued the grading report? With 'setting' included, does this mean it is pre-set or that the setting charge is taken care of? Have you seen the diamond, and if not, what is its level of 'eye-clean?' Seek great elaboration on the SI2 grade, particularly in fancy shapes where inclusions can be more notable than in rounds.

Finally: The price seems low. This could mean it's a great find but I suggest you do more investigation before committing. Pending all further info being positive, it would behoove you to take some of the money saved to hire a reputable independent appraiser to confirm all aspects of the purchase.

 

[ladykemma]

have you seen it in person? the length to width ratio is good.

how are the shoulders? how is the taper at the bottom? is is pleasing? is is shaped more like a teadrop or a norman shield? does it have a huge black bow tie?

my pear is spready. I bought it with my eyes only.

 

[aquarius4u]

john my fellow aquarian..
the setting is platinum with a total ct weight of 2.61. The ratio is 1.6. It is graded by GHI lab from ebay store called MDC. I know that there are some feedbacks about this particular store here in the forum that are not very favorable but it is the price that attracts me the most. ...if i DECIDED to buy the ring i will have it appraised as soon as possible.MDC stated that the inclusions are "tiny black dots that are only slightly visible. It would NOT affect the durability of the stone" My job includes manual application of pressure for post caths so the durability of stone is of high importance.
Lady Kemma...
your ring is gorgeous! Re: girdle i don''t know yet. have to ask him for that..
thanks!

 

[ladykemma]

here is the listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-59-Ct-Pear-Shape-Diamond-Engagement-3-Row-Ring-F_W0QQitemZ8940463972QQihZ004QQcategoryZ92906QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

beware this dealer sells enhanced and laser drilled diamonds. the shape of this pear is a little goofy. It looks like a repaired marquise that has had its tip broken off.

also for an engagement ring there is no room for wedding band.

 

[ladykemma]

the area of the Bowtie should be across the widest part of the pear, about 1/3 from the top of the length of the diamond. your "pear" has its bowtie in the middle, where a marquise bowtie would be.

 

[ladykemma]

the is the "pear" under consideration. too many red flags for me

ya know if would have been a passable oval if they had done a better job.

 

[Groovy Chick]

Hi aquarius, I had a 1.54ct pear solitaire which was a fabulous pear with an almost invisible bow-tie. I can''t comment on the price coz I''m in NZ but all I can say is the best way for you to judge is with your eye and under various lighting (including natural light). Check for a dark bowtie effect across the widest part as mentioned by someone earlier in this thread. You will always be able to see a bowtie shape but it should blend in with the rest of the diamond and not be noticeably darker. Also, the overall shape should be pleasing to the eye and not too long and skinny or too short and fat.

I seem to remember when I bought mine that I compared it to other pears of similar size and worked out myself what was a good table and depth percentage (can''t remember what they were, sorry). Just make sure it''s not cut too shallow or it will appear dull and not cut too deep or you lose out on size.

Sorry to bombard you with all this info but another thing I feel is important is the clarity. IMO it needs to be higher for a pear than for say RBs because fancies don''t sparkle as much and therefore any inclusions are going to be slightly more visible.

I do stress again to check it in different lighting if possible because my pear was quite variable according to the lighting.

I would strongly recommend viewing the stone before purchasing with a fancy cut.

HTHs

 

[RockDoc]

Date: 7/2/2006 5:59:54 AM
Author: ladykemma
here is the listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-59-Ct-Pear-Shape-Diamond-Engagement-3-Row-Ring-F_W0QQitemZ8940463972QQihZ004QQcategoryZ92906QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

beware this dealer sells enhanced and laser drilled diamonds. the shape of this pear is a little goofy. It looks like a repaired marquise that has had its tip broken off.

also for an engagement ring there is no room for wedding band.

Hi LK

On the listing for the stone, there is a notice that this seller''s diamonds are not enhanced. So did you see something I missed about the treatments you mentioned above?


Although I did see this in his general store quotes that does concern me. This is an actual "paste" from his site.
_______________
" The pictures we show are samples or of the actual rings we sell"
________________


This infers that the images pictured are not of the individual diamonds being sold. For the prices of the items he is listing, most being in the 100K plus price range, I would think he''d have actual photos.
THAT IS A MAJOR RED LIGHT IN MY EYES.

_____________________

In looking at the englarged image of the ring, if you look at the flat sides of the ring, they are uneven and finished very sloppy. The milgraining seems to be uneven as well.

I don''t know who the GHI lab is. That too is rather puzzling. The 10 day return is rather short as well.


I agree with you that a buyer should be wary of the seller, but for different reasons than yours.

Rockdoc

 

[aquarius4u]

hi again,
all your inputs highly matters to me... thank you so much!
lady kemma, thanks a lot for making the ring visible. actually, the setting with bullet sidestones is what i like althougfh they have the same center stone. He said that it is 100% natural. Do you know somebody that has bad experience with this seller eg. enhanced or laser drilled diamonds?
groovy chick, thanks for your input. yes, there are a lot of things to consider and it is so hard to choose from one diamond to another. i live in an expensive area so my only alternative is to buy online. though it is tricky but i guess i just need to be very careful. pricescope is really a big help for me. i was a victim of shenoa aka global bargain hunters... . they misreperesented their product and refunded my money a month after i returned the ring . customer service was bad from start to finish because of the misrepresentations. Before i discovered pricescope, i almost agreed to exchanging it with a better center stone...thanks goodness i found this site.! My experience with them getting a refund was very stressful. In their company policy it was stated that refund will be processed usually within five business days but it took them almost a month to process mine. OOOOPS... this is totally a different topic!
rockdoc, you are always a big help! your expertise is highly valuable to us the general public..thanks!

thanks again!

 

[ladykemma]

Date: 7/2/2006 10:00:57 AM
Author: RockDoc

Date: 7/2/2006 5:59:54 AM
Author: ladykemma
here is the listing

http://cgi.ebay.com/2-59-Ct-Pear-Shape-Diamond-Engagement-3-Row-Ring-F_W0QQitemZ8940463972QQihZ004QQcategoryZ92906QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

beware this dealer sells enhanced and laser drilled diamonds. the shape of this pear is a little goofy. It looks like a repaired marquise that has had its tip broken off.

also for an engagement ring there is no room for wedding band.

Hi LK

On the listing for the stone, there is a notice that this seller's diamonds are not enhanced. So did you see something I missed about the treatments you mentioned above?


Although I did see this in his general store quotes that does concern me. This is an actual 'paste' from his site.
_______________
' The pictures we show are samples or of the actual rings we sell'
________________


This infers that the images pictured are not of the individual diamonds being sold. For the prices of the items he is listing, most being in the 100K plus price range, I would think he'd have actual photos.
THAT IS A MAJOR RED LIGHT IN MY EYES.

_____________________

In looking at the englarged image of the ring, if you look at the flat sides of the ring, they are uneven and finished very sloppy. The milgraining seems to be uneven as well.

I don't know who the GHI lab is. That too is rather puzzling. The 10 day return is rather short as well.


I agree with you that a buyer should be wary of the seller, but for different reasons than yours.

Rockdoc

i was lookng at all his listings and about half his stones were drilled or enhanced. I think this particular stone is a repaired broken marquise. Ditto to everything Rockdoc said. This is not the place to drop that kind of money.

 

[RockDoc]

Here''s another paste from that seller''s site :
_____________
"All the diamonds on sale are 100% natural and not enhanced in any way."
____________

I really didn''t delve into descriptions of the stones listed. Did he actually have stones listed as laser drilled or enhanced?
Seems the above paste would contradict the quality of the diamonds, if in fact he does sell enhanced / treated etc diamonds.

Is your opinion that this stone was recut due to the squarish appearing shape of the stone at the bottom of the image?

I would doubt this, because it wouldn''t be likely for the cutter to reposition the culet, or round off the top. In most pear shapes the culet it not centered in the north/south position where in most marquises it is. This isn''t always true, but reasonably assumed in most of these cuts.

Of course if the appearance at one end of the stone is squarish that would very seriously affect the value and price of the stone.

As for the GHI report, I wonder why a copy of the report isn''t shown on the site?

With so many good vendors right here on PS, I can''t fathom why anyone would even consider someone who is questionable on ebay.

Rockdoc

 

[dbgaap]

Date: 7/2/2006 1:38:48 PM
Author: RockDoc

With so many good vendors right here on PS, I can''t fathom why anyone would even consider someone who is questionable on ebay.

Rockdoc

I agree.

 

[ladykemma]

Date: 7/2/2006 1:38:48 PM
Author: RockDoc

Here''s another paste from that seller''s site :
_____________
''All the diamonds on sale are 100% natural and not enhanced in any way.''

____________

I really didn''t delve into descriptions of the stones listed. Did he actually have stones listed as laser drilled or enhanced?
Seems the above paste would contradict the quality of the diamonds, if in fact he does sell enhanced / treated etc diamonds.

Is your opinion that this stone was recut due to the squarish appearing shape of the stone at the bottom of the image?

I would doubt this, because it wouldn''t be likely for the cutter to reposition the culet, or round off the top. In most pear shapes the culet it not centered in the north/south position where in most marquises it is. This isn''t always true, but reasonably assumed in most of these cuts.

Of course if the appearance at one end of the stone is squarish that would very seriously affect the value and price of the stone.

As for the GHI report, I wonder why a copy of the report isn''t shown on the site?

With so many good vendors right here on PS, I can''t fathom why anyone would even consider someone who is questionable on ebay.

Rockdoc

yup, he did. quite a few in fact. clearly marked as such.

 

[RockDoc]

I looked at a stone that was priced rather "reasonably" for the description.

The statement part about not being enhanced wasn''t on this stone I looked at but it wasn''t disclosed that it had been.

At least on some of the stones he admits it, which I guess is commendable as far as that goes.... but I do notice he has a lot of large stones, that are particularly hard to get and "rare" in the industry, which may be fracture filled etc.

I just didn''t have or take the time to audit everything there. When a seller says the picture are a "sample" for an item that is "pricey" that is the red light - red enough and bright enough to stoip me.

Rockdoc

 

[cflutist]

Date: 7/2/2006 1:50:07 PM
Author: dbgaap

Date: 7/2/2006 1:38:48 PM
Author: RockDoc


With so many good vendors right here on PS, I can''t fathom why anyone would even consider someone who is questionable on ebay.

Rockdoc

I agree.

I have to agreee with both of you.

The girdle outline (aka shape appeal) just doesn''t look appealing to me.

 

[FireGoddess]

Just saw this thread. I have to agree with what''s been said. That picture also looks photoshopped to me. It actually DOES look like an oval with a pointed end photoshopped on. Either way...

. I''d pass.

 

[MaryAlaina]

This seller uses stock photos. The photo shown is a sample only, not the actual ring. Also, their grades are their own, so lower than GIA.

 

[aquarius4u]

hi guys!!!
happy 4''th of july!
thanks for all your input.I appreciate it a lot.I am looking at some stones here at pricescope .hopefully i can get a decent ring for my budget.will keep you posted...