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I just looked at mine and it has 6 pavillion mains. The plot diagram also shows 6 pavillion mains and the french tip on the crown.
 
Mine has 7 pavilion mains, no French tip.

I had no idea there were so many variations.
 
Date: 10/28/2005 3:14:56 PM
Author: valeria101


Are you sure that is the right GIA paper?

The lines marked are for twinning, but the dark spot should be an included crystal, just good to be lasered out, IMO. A large included crystal that obviously contributed to the clarity grade should be plain to see on the clarity plot... unless I am missing something. Crystals do not enter in the definition of ''twinning wisps'' so there is no reason I can think of not to plot them separately.
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I don''t know. I do know it is the one that came with the diamond. The vendor did tell me there was carbon in the diamond before they sent it to me, but I assumed it was not visible from the face because it was not on the plot. It seems to me that going strictly by that plot it is hard to see that as an I1 diamond, though. The twinning wisps truly are invisible without a loupe, and even then they are just a subtle presence to my untrained eye. That carbon, which doesn''t look bad to the naked eye, looks enormous in the photo and under a loupe. I am surprised it was not plotted, but I''m not sure I''d go so far as to say it is not the correct report. I just don''t know.

That said, I spoke to an independent appraiser this week. He''s in my area and he was referred to me by my insurance agency. His family has been in the business for a few generations, I think, so he''s extremely knowledgeable and experienced. He told me that GIA and AGS reports are accurate about 75% of the time. Other labs, he informed me, are accurate about 50% of the time. Of course, I am not in the business and have no way of knowing how correct this statement is. I hesitated to bring it up because of the debate over the GIA scandal and don''t want to start something I really don''t know anything about. However, his statement does leave an impression on me.
 
Date: 10/28/2005 3:57:29 PM
Author: Tacori E-ring
I think you made the right decision. I love you pear. It looks so white. I STILL cannot believe it is an M. My EC is a deeper cut too but I think it makes the cut look so sparkly and beautiful. That mile deep look. Sometimes I wish it wasn''t so deep so that it looked its true size but then I remember seeing it for the first time and how I feel in love with the cut and L/W ratio. The grass IS always greener on the otherside but I think you have a beautiful pear.
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Thank you Tacori. It looks perfectly white at times. Other times the tint is very noticable. Mostly at the grocery store, LOL! The thing goes crazy in sunlight and in dim light. Halogens at restaurants are this diamond''s friend
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I love your setting and your diamond is perfect for it. I''m hoping to find just the right setting for mine.
 
David, I'm so glad you joined this discussion. I was hoping you would because you carry some gorgeous stones in the warmer colors and I wondered if you might have some insight on the cuts! Thank you for sharing your opinion and experience. I found the explanations of the bow tie effect very helpful indeed.

Thanks for the compliment. I consider that high praise from a guy who knows this type of diamond.
 
Wow, Diamondlil. Those facet patterns are really enlightening. Mine has the six main pavillion facets and a French tip on the tip of the face.
 
Thank you lumpkin. I am very fond of my ring as much as the man who gave it to me. Maybe what you need to make your stone "pop" is some colored gemstones to mix it up a bit! Just an idea but a couple sapphires or rubys could be all you need to make that beautiful pear of yours really sparkle. I love baguettes (sp?) with pears or more pears. I used to work with a girl who had a RB with an emerald pear (I know they are trickier in rings b/c of the softness) flanking each side. It was amazing!
 
Interesting. According to the plot on my mini report I have a standard tip and 7 pavillion mains. However, actually looking at the stone, it seems pretty clear I have a french tip so I'm assuming that the plotting diagram is for inclusions only, and doesn't really reflect my faceting. I can't really see the pavillion facets with the stone in the setting...so that's still a mystery! This thread is fun though...I like learning even more about pears!!!
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Tacori, that is an interesting idea. I think a vintage style setting is just what a tinted diamond needs. I will have to hunt for a suitable vintage style for a pear, and sapphires would be most wellcome on it. I keep vasilating between a plain cathedral (which I really, really like for a pear) or something vintage (which are hard to find for pears). Perhaps even a band with an east/west tapered sapphire baguette on either side? That would be vintage. One thing is certain, I''m not buying anything until I''m really SURE this time.
 
Date: 10/30/2005 10:25:57 AM
Author: lumpkin
Tacori, that is an interesting idea. I think a vintage style setting is just what a tinted diamond needs. I will have to hunt for a suitable vintage style for a pear, and sapphires would be most wellcome on it. I keep vasilating between a plain cathedral (which I really, really like for a pear) or something vintage (which are hard to find for pears). Perhaps even a band with an east/west tapered sapphire baguette on either side? That would be vintage. One thing is certain, I''m not buying anything until I''m really SURE this time.
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Well keep us updated (but I for one am voting for the vintage sapphire setting!!!!
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It''s going to be awhile. I''ve shot my wadd on jewelry this year.
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It may be January, or perhaps April if we get a nice tax return.

In the meantime I look forward to living vicariously through all the updates and engagement rings that everyone posts.
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I don''t have much to add to this discussion, but must say that this thread really helped in my understanding of pears. the BF and I have narrowed down our stone selection and the top running one is a pear. So I was super-excited to see this thread.
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an aside to David - this is Ronnie from San Francisco
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Date: 10/31/2005 1:08:53 AM
Author: CoutureFemme
I don''t have much to add to this discussion, but must say that this thread really helped in my understanding of pears. the BF and I have narrowed down our stone selection and the top running one is a pear. So I was super-excited to see this thread.
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an aside to David - this is Ronnie from San Francisco
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Fantastic! That was the whole idea. I''ll be watching to see your final selection.

I''d love to see a pear with the 9 main pavilion facets with the second pattern, where there is a main at the north and south end of the pear. I imagine that would just be incredible.

Still no experts have elaborated on "painting" a stone. I''m going to have to dig in and do some research.
 
To my knowledge- "painting" refers to a technique where a dimaond is lightly faceted so as not to decrease the weight past a thresh-hold- for example a diamond that weighs 1.00, or 1.50, or 2.00. Polish these a little too much and you''ll have .99, 1.49, 1.99- sizes which are virtually never seen for economic reasons- hence, the "painted" stones.
These stones lacked a bit of sparkle compared to a correctly faceted diamond.



As far as plots and specific faceting- I too was interested in the discussion of different designs of faceting- I need to check thru inventory and compare actual diamonds with the GIA plots- but to my knowledge GIA''s plots do not indicate an exact facet pattern, rhater a generic model.


Hey Ronnie!!
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David, do you know if the different pavillion faceting patterns common to pears make a difference in the face-up appearance? If you have any variations in your inventory, I would love to see some pics for comparison.
 
Date: 10/31/2005 1:22:26 PM
Author: diamondlil
David, do you know if the different pavillion faceting patterns common to pears make a difference in the face-up appearance? If you have any variations in your inventory, I would love to see some pics for comparison.
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DITTO DITTO DITTO!!!!!!

I would love to know this info for future reference, and to see the differences if anyone''s inventory permits! (I''m not gonna ask to see D E and F icy white stones together....
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Jazmine...that setting looks so familiar! It kinda reminds me of a hybrid between JCJD''s setting
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and mine

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and their offspring jazmine suggested

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And I forgot to mention that I LOVE it Jazmine!!!
 
I think its really pretty but I still stand by my gemstone suggesting. Maybe a sapphire halo instead of the diamond like the RB ring in wink''s showcase. I think the contrast looks great with warmer colored diamonds.
 
Yeah, I just don''t know how you would put a w-ring beside it
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Okay, who stole my diamond and put it in that setting, LOL! Gosh, that looks so much like the shape and proportion of my pear, and the tint is so similar. Eeeeery. I really like JCDC''s setting because it is so unique and very elegant. I think it works so well because it is not a huge stone and actually adorns her finger. It is graceful on the hand, rather than screaming "hey, see me, I''m a diamond!" I''m not sure I''d like the design as well with a larger diamond, but I''d have to see it. It would probably look amazing on someone with really long, slender fingers, but alas, I have little snausages. I''m still leaning towards a cathedral, either like the one I posted elsewhere, or one with one row of pave diamonds and possibly sapphires. I also like the classic Harry Winston style with the baguettes flanking the center diamond. That''s actually my all time favorite, but my husband is not fond of it (why does he even CARE? He is the man who truly would rather take money from his wallet and burn it than buy diamond jewelry, LOL!). Oh, well. I''m not doing anything for awhile anyway.

David, thank you for explaining the term "painting" facets. It makes a lot of sense now. For some reason I thought there was an advantage to using this technique to "tweak" the proportions and maximize sparkle. I didn''t understand that what they were really maximizing was the weight. I love Pricescope. There is always something new to learn.
 
I actually like your original stone better! I don''t like the bow ties much in the fancies so less of one would be a big positive to me, add that to the fact that you said you really like yours better and the decision is made.

I agree with Val that ''ideal cut'' is really used more heavily to describe RB''s...I don''t know that many of the fancies have an ''ideal'' meter other than numbers to gauge, but I definitely think we have seen on here that with fancies you can''t gauge just based on numbers, whereas with RB''s many times you can separate some wheat from the chaff based on numbers...I think we have seen more fancies that have different numbers that turn out better looking than a more ''ideally numbered'' stone.

And I also didn''t really see any color difference in that F vs the M! That''s excellent.
 
that''s a beautiful setting, Jazmine! I also wonder how a w-band would work with that, though.

I forgot to mention that the diamond I have my eye on is an L color. I really enjoy the warmer colored diamonds, too
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and they really do look better with my skin tone. oh, and I can''t forget to add that it''s easier on our budget, so bf is really happy about that, haha!
 
Date: 10/31/2005 10:36:35 PM
Author: Mara

And I also didn''t really see any color difference in that F vs the M! That''s excellent.
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I noticed that in the picture, too! That picture with them together was taken in flourescent bulb lighting -- not the tubes but the replacement for incandescent light bulbs. For some reason, under that lighting, there is absolutely no tint to my diamond whatsoever, but my diamond has very strong blue flouresense, so maybe that is why. I took it in that lighting because I can get pretty clear pictures of the diamonds in without having to take them outside (didn''t want to take that loose diamond outside!). There was a big difference in color, but face up I was astonished at how much color DID NOT play a part in which was more attractive to the eye. That F I1 just was not a very attractive diamond.

I went to a jeweler recently who told me he thought my M was really a WX or Y.
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He was very condescending and told me he didn''t want to work with me on finding a setting. He was in one of those boutique stores, which he owns, and has no other benchmen with him. He had the personality of Howard Stern -- minus leud innuendos -- in dress clothes, and the only reason I went to him was because he supposedly carries that line of white gold and palladium alloy which doesn''t need to be rhodium plated. No one else in the area does, so even tthough the phone call did not impress me, I went to see him anyway. He is the ONLY jeweler (out of 4) I''ve been to to find a setting who has not said, "Wow, that''s an M?" and pegged it at JK. Oh, well, whatcha gonna do? I guess color is very subjective.
 
Date: 11/1/2005 1:27:36 AM
Author: CoutureFemme
that''s a beautiful setting, Jazmine! I also wonder how a w-band would work with that, though.

I forgot to mention that the diamond I have my eye on is an L color. I really enjoy the warmer colored diamonds, too
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and they really do look better with my skin tone. oh, and I can''t forget to add that it''s easier on our budget, so bf is really happy about that, haha!
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CoutureFemme, does the diamond you are eyeing have some blue flouresense?

I did not set out to get an M. At all. We had actually bought an oval H VS2. But it looked awful in the setting I had. I started looking on line to see what was available and I saw my pear. It mocked me from the internet for weeks, "I''m 2 carats, I''m internally flawless, I''m in your budget!" So I had the vendor send me some pictures. Then I ended up liking it much, much more than the oval.

If you can get pictures of your possible diamond, please post them!
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lumpkin, let me just say that that jeweler was incredibly rude to you! how awful! I''m glad you didn''t give him your business, he must get his eyes checked ASAP! your diamond is beautiful and I barely see any hint of color!

The L that I''m looking at does have medium fluor. the vendor I''m working with says the diamond is definitely not icy white (GOOD!) and would look ok in either YG or WG. the only caveat is that it''s got a pretty obvious bowtie - but I''m really ok with that. I only wish I could find as good looking a 2 carat as your''s in our budget
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I''ll attempt to upload a picture of "my" pear. Sorry turns out too large, I''m a big newbie!

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oh dear! I''m so sorry it''s such a huge picture, I will edit better next time. I would name the vendor, but I haven''t put the diamond on hold yet, and I really am paranoid about any lurkers out there being spurred by the picture. When I have the diamond in hand, I will most definitely give credit where credit''s due. Since the diamond''s an L color, I''ve taken liberty and named her "Ellie" - corny, I know
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It''s BEAUTIFUL
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Are you keeping Ellie???? I love the colour!
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