Passing off fiction as fact

[ruby59]

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/02/02/budweiser-s-pro-immigrant-super-bowl-ad-is-mostly-fiction-exp/21705903/

 

[Tekate]

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/02/02/budweiser-s-pro-immigrant-super-bowl-ad-is-mostly-fiction-exp/21705903/

A commercial is not a documentary, it's a commercial. No one believes if you drink diet pepsi you will get a kiss from Cindy Crawford. from what I read, Busch wasn't rich when he arrived, but he did have contacts in St Louis and brothers here, his father was wealthy and there were lotsa of kids so he made his way to America.. A commercial is to sell you something, not a history lesson per se, it certainly would have been better if it were an Irish guy, or Chinese, they experienced a lot of prejudice.

 

[lovedogs]

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/02/02/budweiser-s-pro-immigrant-super-bowl-ad-is-mostly-fiction-exp/21705903/

A commercial is not a documentary, it's a commercial. No one believes if you drink diet pepsi you will get a kiss from Cindy Crawford. from what I read, Busch wasn't rich when he arrived, but he did have contacts in St Louis and brothers here, his father was wealthy and there were lotsa of kids so he made his way to America.. A commercial is to sell you something, not a history lesson per se, it certainly would have been better if it were an Irish guy, or Chinese, they experienced a lot of prejudice.

I just listened to a segment from an advertising agency about this commercial on NPR. They were talking about how the commercial seems incredibly current (given the recent EC), but the person being interviewed made an excellent point that this was shot in October, and the idea itself finalized before that. So it's not the HUGE POLITICAL statement people are making it out to be. She said that tge company knew that immigration is obviously a relevant Convo given the climate during the election, but no one thought it would be this relevant, and certainly not so early in the presidency. And she also said it's a commercial rather than a factual piece. Just something to keep in mind.

 

[VRBeauty]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

 

[lovedogs]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

Ugh yeah. Nope, not about that, although that does deserve its own thread given how utterly insane it is. But I'm personally too exhausted and depressed to start one.

 

[mary poppins]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

Ugh yeah. Nope, not about that, although that does deserve its own thread given how utterly insane it is. But I'm personally too exhausted and depressed to start one.

That's what I came to post, also.

 

[ruby59]

https://www.aol.com/article/finance/2017/02/02/budweiser-s-pro-immigrant-super-bowl-ad-is-mostly-fiction-exp/21705903/

A commercial is not a documentary, it's a commercial. No one believes if you drink diet pepsi you will get a kiss from Cindy Crawford. from what I read, Busch wasn't rich when he arrived, but he did have contacts in St Louis and brothers here, his father was wealthy and there were lotsa of kids so he made his way to America.. A commercial is to sell you something, not a history lesson per se, it certainly would have been better if it were an Irish guy, or Chinese, they experienced a lot of prejudice.

Yes, but this is the Superbowl where a lot of people will be tuned in.

And as we know some may take this as the gospel.

And people are getting riled up these days pretty quickly. Facts be damned.

So I see it as a way to incite an already contentious situation and make it even more volatile.

 

[ruby59]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

Ugh yeah. Nope, not about that, although that does deserve its own thread given how utterly insane it is. But I'm personally too exhausted and depressed to start one.

That's what I came to post, also.

I posted this yesterday. That news came out this morning. I just got home from work and have not read about that yet..

 

[ruby59]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

Ugh yeah. Nope, not about that, although that does deserve its own thread given how utterly insane it is. But I'm personally too exhausted and depressed to start one.

That's what I came to post, also.

This is what you are referring to that she made a mistake which she corrected the next day.
Sh*t happens. People err.

But in this case the commercial is going on as scheduled even though it is a LIE.

 

[telephone89]

LOL @ commercials being a lie.

Duh.

They are a marketing scheme. Designed to get you to purchase something. Go talk to the health food/diet industry if you want to get rid of lying in commercials!

 

[ruby59]

LOL @ commercials being a lie.

Duh.

They are a marketing scheme. Designed to get you to purchase something. Go talk to the health food/diet industry if you want to get rid of lying in commercials!

Immigration is a very volatile issue right now.

We do not need anyone fanning the flames, especially a big company doing it during Prime Time.

 

[lovedogs]

LOL @ commercials being a lie.

Duh.

They are a marketing scheme. Designed to get you to purchase something. Go talk to the health food/diet industry if you want to get rid of lying in commercials!

Immigration is a very volatile issue right now.

We do not need anyone fanning the flames, especially a big company doing it during Prime Time.

Read what I posted above. This commercial wasn't made to fan any flames--especially not to this degree since no one would have predicted stuff would move this fast. And when asked whether the company could pull the ad (given that it will anger some people), the person being interviewed said no way, because spots for commercials at the super bowl cost about 5 million dollars. Plus, in advertising, it's better to be talked about than ignored, so her idea was that if people were talking (for better or worse) it brings attention and more revenue.

 

[ruby59]

LOL @ commercials being a lie.

Duh.

They are a marketing scheme. Designed to get you to purchase something. Go talk to the health food/diet industry if you want to get rid of lying in commercials!

Immigration is a very volatile issue right now.

We do not need anyone fanning the flames, especially a big company doing it during Prime Time.

Read what I posted above. This commercial wasn't made to fan any flames--especially not to this degree since no one would have predicted stuff would move this fast. And when asked whether the company could pull the ad (given that it will anger some people), the person being interviewed said no way, because spots for commercials at the super bowl cost about 5 million dollars. Plus, in advertising, it's better to be talked about than ignored, so her idea was that if people were talking (for better or worse) it brings attention and more revenue.

First, whose fault is it to spend $5 million for an ad that you made up. Not one that you found out later was incorrect. But one where you intentionally lied.

Newtwork should pull it.

Better to be talked about then ignored - wonder why that is the reason some of these little news outlets post all this fake news?

 

[OreoRosies86]

Now things need to be pulled because it might offend someone? Seeing a commercial about hardworking immigrants is the end of the world? Whatever happened to free speech and everyone had an opinion and liberals are such crybabies bla bla bla.

You KNOW if a commercial had run that was a fictitious account of a pro immigrant ban, and people protested it, you would tell them to suck it up.

 

[lovedogs]

Now things need to be pulled because it might offend someone? Seeing a commercial about hardworking immigrants is the end of the world? Whatever happened to free speech and everyone had an opinion and liberals are such crybabies bla bla bla.

You KNOW if a commercial had run that was a fictitious account of a pro immigrant ban, and people protested it, you would tell them to suck it up.

Ruby's quote below

Not one that you found out later was incorrect. But one where you intentionally lied.

And who decided commercials had to be true?!?! Have you ever seen a "diet" commercial that was accurate? I haven't. They literally ALL LIE. I don't even understand this argument. How about the commercials where an adorable dog is lost, and the only reason the person could return it was because they had a FORD TRUCK?! Those ads make me cry every time, but I'm perfectly aware that owning a ford isn't the only way to save lost puppies.

 

[ruby59]

Now things need to be pulled because it might offend someone? Seeing a commercial about hardworking immigrants is the end of the world? Whatever happened to free speech and everyone had an opinion and liberals are such crybabies bla bla bla.

You KNOW if a commercial had run that was a fictitious account of a pro immigrant ban, and people protested it, you would tell them to suck it up.

First off, there is an obvious difference.

As reprehensible as I find these two speakers, they are voicing their opinions.

The below is a bold faced lie.


Adolphus Busch did not arrive poor and struggling. He was from a fairly well-to-do, successful family. He wasn't tremendously wealthy, but it would be highly doubtful that he encountered whatever that was at the beginning with him jumping off the boat and people shouting at him," the author said. "He arrived with a ticket and had his own money. Unless they got a hold of some letters from his family, I don't know where they get all that information. It's not something that anyone that's written about Anheuser-Busch has ever seen before."


And please do not surmise to tell me how I would act in any particular situation.

 

[Arcadian]

Hmmm...

I think the Bowling Green Massacre counts as fiction.... a great work of one right from the white house.

 

[OreoRosies86]

We should pull the commercial about the Catholic and the Muslim buying each other Amazon presents. Or the Cheerios ad with the white mother and the black father. Or the Campbells ad with the lesbians. TOO UPSETTING.

 

[lovedogs]

Here's the one that brings me to tears every single darn time. https://youtu.be/aap5dX2-iRI

Prepare to cry if you are dog loving sap. Since this one undoubtedly is false, should it be pulled too???? Doubtful.

 

[VRBeauty]

Oh.

I thought this thread was going to be about the Bowling Green Massacre.

Ugh yeah. Nope, not about that, although that does deserve its own thread given how utterly insane it is. But I'm personally too exhausted and depressed to start one.

That's what I came to post, also.

This is what you are referring to that she made a mistake which she corrected the next day.
Sh*t happens. People err.

But in this case the commercial is going on as scheduled even though it is a LIE.

Yes, honest mistakes do happen. It's just very hard to imagine a mistake that turns "two Iraquis arrested in Bowling Green Kentucky for providing material support to terrorists abroad" into "the Bowling Green Massacre". Clearly someone did some homework to come up with that example, and still came up with a totally innaccurate characterization of the incident, one that suggests major carnage here in the US. How does that happen? Given that Ms Conway and her boss both play fast and loose with the truth, and Ms Conway coined the term "alternate truth," it's not a far stretch to think that there was some thought behind the use of the term "massacre."

But even if it was a totally innocent mistake...

According to several news sources, the point she made with that "example" is also largely false. The actions President Obama took in response to the Bowling Green arrests did increase the review of immigration applications, but did not amount to a ban. Moreover, it was far more limited in scope than Trump's far-reaching ban, both in terms of the countries/people targeted and the types of visas affected.

By the way, someone who would mis-characterize what happened as "the Bowling Green Massacre" in error probably shouldn't be enlisted as a Presidential spokesperson. No malice intended. Some people are very adept at juggling a whole file drawer's worth of facts and pulling out the few that are needed to make the point at hand, and then eloquently making that point. I've worked with a few of those people and stand in awe of them. Others are not - myself included. Kellyanne and I appear to have that in common and probably shouldn't be allowed near a hot mic without adult supervision. Just saying.

 

[katharath]

I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.

 

[ruby59]

[quote="katharath|1486173854|4124026"]I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.[/quote]

Nor 100% false, as it is in this case.

 

[OreoRosies86]

It's not 100% false. The man was an immigrant and he co-founded a brewery.

 

[lovedogs]

[quote="katharath|1486173854|4124026"]I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.

Nor 100% false, as it is in this case.[/quote]

Ruby: I think our problem with what you are saying is that almost all commercials are 100% false. Think about all the commercials on TV. How many are true (or even partially true)?

 

[ruby59]

[quote="katharath|1486173854|4124026"]I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.

Nor 100% false, as it is in this case.

Ruby: I think our problem with what you are saying is that almost all commercials are 100% false. Think about all the commercials on TV. How many are true (or even partially true)?[/quote]


And how many of them are as relevant to the hot button issue we are experiencing now?

Read about it - jumping off a boat, facing anti immigrant mob.

Remember the fake news about the Iraqi man who said his money died because she was sent back to Iraq..

Or the one where the boy/ girl got suspended for wishing someone a Merry Christmas.

Flaming the fire.

 

[OreoRosies86]

I'm not understanding how the message fans any flames. The message that hardworking immigrants were backbones of industry in this country giving us brands that are still relevant and popular today, still provide jobs etc?

 

[lovedogs]

[quote="katharath|1486173854|4124026"]I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.

Nor 100% false, as it is in this case.

Ruby: I think our problem with what you are saying is that almost all commercials are 100% false. Think about all the commercials on TV. How many are true (or even partially true)?

And how many of them are as relevant to the hot button issue we are experiencing now?

Read about it - jumping off a boat, facing anti immigrant mob.

Remember the fake news about the Iraqi man who said his money died because she was sent back to Iraq..

Or the one where the boy/ girl got suspended for wishing someone a Merry Christmas.

Flaming the fire.[/quote]

I get how it seems that way, but please remember this commercial was made MANY months ago, and it was not intentional for it to be this relevant to current affairs. And as Eliot said, hardworking immigrants are the backbone of the US, so I don't see any issues here.

 

[ruby59]

[quote="katharath|1486173854|4124026"]I honestly had no idea that anyone expected commercials to be 100% factual. I'm trying to process this. So, they should be like mini documentaries, then?

That is hilarious.

Nor 100% false, as it is in this case.

Ruby: I think our problem with what you are saying is that almost all commercials are 100% false. Think about all the commercials on TV. How many are true (or even partially true)?

And how many of them are as relevant to the hot button issue we are experiencing now?

Read about it - jumping off a boat, facing anti immigrant mob.

Remember the fake news about the Iraqi man who said his money died because she was sent back to Iraq..

Or the one where the boy/ girl got suspended for wishing someone a Merry Christmas.

Flaming the fire.

I get how it seems that way, but please remember this commercial was made MANY months ago, and it was not intentional for it to be this relevant to current affairs. And as Eliot said, hardworking immigrants are the backbone of the US, so I don't see any issues here.[/quote]

Just because you made it, does not mean you have to air it.

So why embellish, air his story as it happened.

 

[telephone89]

Why are you so obsessed with this commercial? You don't seem to complain about other commercials, do you just hate commercials that feature immigrants or something? Lying about how successful they are? Lots of commercials feature relevant content, it doesn't mean theyre fanning any flames, it means they think people will pay attention if its something they're interested in.
I'm honestly trying to understand why you're so fixated on this particular one.

 

[Matata]

We elected as president a person who lied about his business success, the release of his tax reforms, the legitimacy of the university he founded and a zillion more things yet someone feels a fictional commercial should be pulled. I'd go along with that notion if we also remove the president from office. One is real world, one is not and some have apparently become blind to the difference.