Our mayor just declared our city a sanctuary city

[YadaYadaYada]

As I was reading the local news online today, I came across an article that our city is now a sanctuary city....just like that. The mayor also happens to be considering a run for governor but almost all the comments I'm reading from residents are overwhelmingly negative. We already struggle with being able to properly fund our schools and we have a very large population that struggles with mental health issues as well.

If Trump successfully blocks funding because of this, I don't know what we will do as they will have no choice but to raise taxes and make more cuts in education. Seems crazy to me that they expect us to pay these ridiculous taxes, car and house, yet he just announced this with no feedback from us at all. I'm starting to think it may be time to leave CT for somewhere down south, like jump ship before it sinks

 

[the_mother_thing]

Sorry to hear that, Stephanie. That is a shame your mayor would do that (vs at least putting it to vote on the ballot), especially given the warnings from the WH on this topic. Puts citizens in a tough place for sure!

I will say that the weather is great here (in NC), and our cost of living is relatively lower than most places in the country with lots of job opportunities in various industries. But home prices are on the rise where I live, so get packing & c'mon down!

 

[ruby59]

Our major city is also a sanctuary city.

The mayor vows to keep it that way and it is in danger of losing $70 million in funds it can ill afford,

It is also one of the most dangerous cities in our small State.



http://wpri.com/2017/01/26/heres-how-providence-uses-the-federal-funding-president-trump-may-withhold/

 

[Calliecake]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

 

[ruby59]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in that city and had to suffer the repercussions of this money being withheld.

 

[lovedogs]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in that city and had to suffer the repercussions of this money being withheld.

Probably still proud. And money cannot be withheld that way from what I've read. Trump can't just cut off money to sanctuary cities without approval.

EDIT: article from NPR about the process and how he'll have a difficult time following through to cut funds. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511899896/trumps-threatens-sanctuary-cities-with-loss-of-federal-funds

 

[Calliecake]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in that city and had to suffer the repercussions of this money being withheld.

Probably still proud. And money cannot be withheld that way from what I've read. Trump can't just cut off money to sanctuary cities without approval.

Lovesdogs, You know me too well. Yes I would still be proud. Then again I have never had a problem with our tax dollars going to help those in need.

 

[Dee*Jay]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in that city and had to suffer the repercussions of this money being withheld.

I actually DO live in that city. Right IN THE HEART of that city as a matter of fact. And I feel just F'ing fine "suffering" the "repercussions" of the money being withheld for this bvllsh!t reason.

 

[katharath]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

I wonder how you would feel if you lived in that city and had to suffer the repercussions of this money being withheld.

I actually DO live in that city. Right IN THE HEART of that city as a matter of fact. And I feel just F'ing fine "suffering" the "repercussions" of the money being withheld for this bvllsh!t reason.

 

[lovedogs]

I edited my comment above, but now there are ones after so wanted to post this again for visibility. It won't be that easy to cut off funds from these cities (and shouldn't be, obviously). EDIT: article from NPR about the process and how he'll have a difficult time following through to cut funds. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/01/26/511899896/trumps-threatens-sanctuary-cities-with-loss-of-federal-funds

 

[Matata]

Oregon is a sanctuary state
https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/2007/181.850

There is some question whether cheeto's executive order violates the Constitution.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/01/26/constitutional-problems-with-trumps-executive-order-on-sanctuary-cities/?utm_term=.7a2f15568a2a

 

[nala]

A city near mine, for whose district I work, also declared itself a sanctuary city. So proud!!!

 

[wildcat03]

My city is not a sanctuary city because it does not run its own jails. Our mayor has said that we are a "welcoming" city and that city police will not ask immigration status, etc. We have a large refugee population. We also have high taxes. If I had my way, I would live in this city for as long as I'm in the area.

If every city were to declare itself a "sanctuary" city, it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Interesting to see the different perspectives on sanctuary cities. My only concern is resources but from what I've read here it probably won't be an issue. Our governor has practically run this state into the ground so any threat of having to stretch resources even further or losing funding makes me anxious.

 

[Dee*Jay]

Interesting to see the different perspectives on sanctuary cities. My only concern is resources but from what I've read here it probably won't be an issue. Our governor has practically run this state into the ground so any threat of having to stretch resources even further or losing funding makes me anxious.

StephanieLynn, your resource issue is a valid one. I am posting something in a moment that talks about the cost of complying with what the Feds one vs. the money your city is (not) going to get.

 

[Dee*Jay]

BTW, does everyone know how and why sanctuary cities came to be?

If so, go back to nibbling your cheetos, but if not here's the short version of what I have recently been told from various sources (some within the Cook County Sherri's Office) and also other information I have found online as I tried to learn more on the topic and make sure I was clear in my understanding of what was going on.

Chicago is in Cook County. Tom Dart, Cook County Sheriff, got fed up because we were keeping people in our local jails at behest of the Federal government. Well that costs $43,000 per day (FORTY THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS *A DAY* -- source in the link below) and we (Cook County) was bearing the cost. So Dart sent the Feds a bill and said either pay up or come and get your prisoners or we're putting an end to this. Needless to say the Feds didn't pay and we are now a sanctuary city.

The Policy for Responding to ICE Detainees is really an excellent document – not something I find myself saying often when it comes to this sort of thing! It is only a page and a half long and it is very clear in what we’re doing and why. If only all ordinances were written his way. This is the link.

https://immigrantjustice.org/sites/default/files/Cook%20County%20Detainer%20Ordinance%20(enacted).pdf

Unfortunately can’t figure out how to copy and past this into a post but I will also provide in three screen shots (which may or may not turn out to be legible here on the form).

BTW, let us be clear: No one is talking about letting people out of jail that are deemed to be a threat to public safety (i.e., actual criminals). These are people that are being held on ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) detainers, which are not criminal warrants (Buquer v. City of Indianapolis).

As for the issue that money is going to be withheld, if the Feds require local municipalities to foot the bill to incarcerate people and don’t reimburse that municipality the ultimate effect is the city is out money. Consider being out money vs. not getting money and net net...

 

[Dee*Jay]

Let's see if this works. There will be a little overlap at the top/bottom from each page.

 

[YadaYadaYada]

Interesting to see the different perspectives on sanctuary cities. My only concern is resources but from what I've read here it probably won't be an issue. Our governor has practically run this state into the ground so any threat of having to stretch resources even further or losing funding makes me anxious.

StephanieLynn, your resource issue is a valid one. I am posting something in a moment that talks about the cost of complying with what the Feds one vs. the money your city is (not) going to get.

Thanks for this and I look forward to reading your post. Don't get me wrong, I am all for helping people but there needs to be a plan in place. How will we pay for them? Where will they potentially live? I think it's irresponsible for our mayor to make an announcement with no input and no plan. Also I keep reading Trump can't take the funding away, it's unconstitutional etc etc but I don't see that stopping him and that is a very scary prospect. So yes, let's help these people, I'm all for that but how will we support them without sacrificing services to those that have already been living here and want to continue to live here. That's all.

 

[Dee*Jay]

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[Dee*Jay]

This is the end of it.

 

[Dee*Jay]

Hmm... I *think* that worked out OK. The link of course is an easier way to read this, and as I mentioned it's only a page and a half long, but I do understand that sometimes people don't want to click on links (either from the hassle factor or because the source may not be trustworthy).

ETA: I should add that I'm not saying all cities are the same as Chicago of course, but the history is interesting and the ordinance itself is really enlightening. I can't imagine other cities chose sanctuary status by coming to vastly different conclusions on the basic premises.

 

[missy]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/02/us/sanctuary-cities.html


and to be clear if one commits a crime one will be prosecuted so this doesn't mean crime can run rampant. I agree to enforce Trump's executive order against sanctuary cities would make our cities less safe.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/sanctuary-cities-bill-de-blasio-trump-court/

The NYPD has spent decades building relationships with immigrant communities, de Blasio said, and if undocumented people fear deportation they will not come forward to report suspected criminal activity, including terrorism.
"This is the kind of thing that will destroy that progress and make it impossible for the police to keep cities safe," he said.

 

[Dee*Jay]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/02/us/sanctuary-cities.html


and to be clear if one commits a crime one will be prosecuted so this doesn't mean crime can run rampant. I agree to enforce Trump's executive order against sanctuary cities would make our cities less safe.
A
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/sanctuary-cities-bill-de-blasio-trump-court/

The NYPD has spent decades building relationships with immigrant communities, de Blasio said, and if undocumented people fear deportation they will not come forward to report suspected criminal activity, including terrorism.
"This is the kind of thing that will destroy that progress and make it impossible for the police to keep cities safe," he said.

There have been studies showing the same thing Missy, that sanctuary cities are not more unsafe. These are just three articles, if you google "sanctuary city crime rates" you'll find a slew of them.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/01/29/512002076/why-sanctuary-cities-are-safer

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/sanctuary-cities-violent-crime/2015/10/15/id/696489/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/27/trump-says-sanctuary-cities-are-hotbeds-of-crime-data-say-the-opposite/?utm_term=.7037665395a1

In the interest of full disclosure the WaPo article does make a distinction between large cities and medium metro municipalities

I would frankly rather live in a city where people will come forth and give information about crime in the interest of stopping it rather than live in a city where people won't come forth because they are afraid of being incarcerated for ICE issues.

 

[missy]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/09/02/us/sanctuary-cities.html


and to be clear if one commits a crime one will be prosecuted so this doesn't mean crime can run rampant. I agree to enforce Trump's executive order against sanctuary cities would make our cities less safe.
A
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/sanctuary-cities-bill-de-blasio-trump-court/

The NYPD has spent decades building relationships with immigrant communities, de Blasio said, and if undocumented people fear deportation they will not come forward to report suspected criminal activity, including terrorism.
"This is the kind of thing that will destroy that progress and make it impossible for the police to keep cities safe," he said.

There have been studies showing the same thing Missy, that sanctuary cities are not more unsafe. These are just three articles, if you google "sanctuary city crime rates" you'll find a slew of them.

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/01/29/512002076/why-sanctuary-cities-are-safer

http://www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/sanctuary-cities-violent-crime/2015/10/15/id/696489/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/27/trump-says-sanctuary-cities-are-hotbeds-of-crime-data-say-the-opposite/?utm_term=.7037665395a1

In the interest of full disclosure the WaPo article does make a distinction between large cities and medium metro municipalities

I would frankly rather live in a city where people will come forth and give information about crime in the interest of stopping it rather than live in a city where people won't come forth because they are afraid of being incarcerated for ICE issues.

Huge ditto Dee!
PS check your email.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

Unless you are one of Kate Steinle's friend or family...

 

[the_mother_thing]

Our large nearby city is a Sanctuary City. It makes we very proud.

Unless you are one of Kate Steinle's friend or family...

My thoughts exactly.

Any murder is a tragedy, but my heart breaks for her family and the others who've had loved ones killed by illegals receiving protection by the very people sworn to protect citizens.