Options and options from Victor Canera

[n00bdiamond]

Hi PSers. I was thinking of getting an Emilya Circular Halo and I thought this would be a simple task of sending him my stone and getting him to finish the work. I was quite wrong and am in need of some help.

These are the issues I'm having:

1) Pave type: The standard for the Emilya is the U cut shallow but Victor also gave the option of a French pave. I want minimal metal showing so U cut shallow is the way to go right?

2) Band. Now this is complicated. The emilya halo solitare looks better in my opinion because of the diamond on the donut. I would like this but Victor mentioned that if I were to purchase a band, it would eventually wear and tear the diamond on the donut causing it to fall off. I have two options here. The first one is to not go with pave setting on the donut area to decrease that risk. I'm not certain if this is a good option because the rubbing will still occur and it may decrease the visual appeal. The second one is to not get a wedding band.

Lastly, I could just go for the emilya flush fitting stems without the donut (which I think makes it less attractive than the solitaire) but then I can get the wedding band.

Has anyone run into this issue before? Can you give me your thoughts and what you've done in the end?

 

[n00bdiamond]

BTW the third option would be to put a ring spacer between the band and the ring for the emilya halo solitaire. I'm definitely not doing that.

 

[kay1]

I'm in the same boat as you!

I went for U-cut for the same reason you mention, and stuck with the standard emilya halo. It does look better than the flush stems, and I figured I would have the wedding band curved around the donut to limit contact - a bit like this picture:

http://al-romance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/wedding-band-the-engagement-ring-top-something-jeweler-74222.jpg
(random google images picture, not the band i'm thinking to get)

I'm not sure how much a spacer would help actually, wouldn't the spacer just rub against the diamonds?

My last resort was to have the diamonds on the donut removed later if they cause an issue. I'm interested to see what others say though and will watch this thread!

BTW which diamond did you end up with? I saw a couple of your posts on various threads

 

[liaerfbv]

Pave is not my bag so I'll others chime in on that.

If you do not want a spacer and you want a donut, I'd get the plain donut. I agree with you and prefer a donut, but I also want a wedding band. If you are wearing the ring with a band, you won't see the plain donut anyway.

 

[liaerfbv]

I'm not sure how much a spacer would help actually, wouldn't the spacer just rub against the diamonds?

The problem is diamonds rubbing against diamonds, which causes chipping. The spacer in between keeps metal on diamonds, not diamonds on diamonds. Hope that's clear.

ETA: IMO, I'd still want a spacer even if I didn't get diamonds on the donut, because I'd be worried about the band on band damage either way. But if the OP really doesn't want a spacer, I think the plain donut is the better option. There still may be damage with wear.

OP - are you sure you don't want a spacer? They be a small as 1mm thick, and it would protect both the e-ring and the w-band.

 

[kay1]

I'm not sure how much a spacer would help actually, wouldn't the spacer just rub against the diamonds?

The problem is diamonds rubbing against diamonds, which causes chipping. The spacer in between keeps metal on diamonds, not diamonds on diamonds. Hope that's clear.

Ahh i see, but if the band is just metal, or doesn't have pave on the side it should be ok then?

I mean take this band as an example:

http://al-romance.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/wedding-band-the-engagement-ring-top-something-jeweler-74222.jpg

Only the metal side would hit the diamonds so it should be ok right? Or is the spacer made from some softer metal or something?

 

[n00bdiamond]

I think that would still be a problem (with what you've shown) because the ring must be in the right orientation at all times. My guess is that slight movements and rubbing over time could still be problematic. I'm not sure what the VC spacer looks like but I'll dig in soon. I didn't bother to look at that option because it's not really an option for me.

 

[kay1]

It looks like this:

http://www.victorcanera.com/platinum-spacer

It's really made me think now too about what to do!

 

[liaerfbv]

Some people do not get the notched spacer (which would honestly drive me crazy), and just use a plain tiny straight band. This causes a slight gap in between the rings. Some people love the gap and some love a flush fit (which the notched spacer provides). I would browse the "show me your stack" thread in SMTB to see different versions and what you might like.

 

[Acinom]

Here is the look of an Emilya with spacer and band. Like the poster above I can imagine that this type of spacer is not for anyone: some will indeed love the little gap; it's a very personal choice.
I haven't found a pic of the cathedral version of the Emilya. This is the flush fit version I think.

 

[kay1]

Some people do not get the notched spacer (which would honestly drive me crazy), and just use a plain tiny straight band. This causes a slight gap in between the rings. Some people love the gap and some love a flush fit (which the notched spacer provides). I would browse the "show me your stack" thread in SMTB to see different versions and what you might like.

Hmm, ok i'm a bit confused! I'm a guy, never wear rings, and didn't even know what a spacer was until it came up and I googled it,

I've ordered a Emiliya halo with the donut and diamonds on it for the FF. If i understand correctly, if i get a wedding band, and:

- if it doesn't have pave on the sides, it's safer as there's no diamond to diamond contact?
- if i get a curve put into the wedding band it's safer still, but may be annoying to wear or rotate?

Here's where i'm confused. How does a spacer help over this? Is it just a more disposable or more easily polished up piece to put between the rings, so if it gets scratched etc it doesn't matter?
I'm not sure if she will like the space in between the rings and am a bit confused what to do. Either remove the diamonds on the donut, or switch to flush stems.

I'm essentially in exactly the same situation as the OP with exactly the same ring style!

EDIT: just saw that last post. Hmm that kind of loses the intricacy/thinness of the band on both the ER and the WB i think. I'm still confused why couldn't the WB be made like the spacer with only pave on the top?

 

[princessfeedme]

You should consider Harry Winston's solution to this problem: pave on top of the donut. Ask VC to see if this is feasible.





My vote is for the U-pave. The French pave looks like crinkly cupcake wrappers.

Forgot to mention, I tried on the halo cushion at a HW salon and it's so delicate and beautiful . I asked if there's any structural problems to having the pave on top of the donut and the SA said no as long as you take care of it like any other piece of jewelry.

 

[liaerfbv]

The pave is only at the top. The sides of the diamonds are still meeting along the band of the e-ring and the band of the w-band. Think about the girdles of the diamonds hitting each other. The diamond on diamond contact (girdles along the 2 bands rubbing) is the problem. When you put a spacer in the middle, the diamond edges of the e-ring band hit metal, smaller risk of chipping. The diamond edges of the w-band also hit metal, smaller risk of chipping. I am not an expert on ring construction and I'm trying to use laymen's terms for you. A spacer takes the brunt of the impact so your rings aren't damaging each other. Yes, it's cheaper, more disposable, etc. That's why I would never pay for a hand forged spacer, I'd buy a cheap platinum 1mm band off Etsy (~$100). Actually, if I was getting a pave halo, I'd probably get a plain wedding band and let my e-ring shine. Personal preference.

ETA: Also, the pic Acinom posted with the spacer is probably closer to 2mm in width. You could find a thinner one that would sit lower and be less noticeable between the rings. That to me looks more like a stack than a spacer (although it is obviously the spacer from VC).

 

[princessfeedme]

The pave is only at the top. The sides of the diamonds are still meeting along the band of the e-ring and the band of the w-band. Think about the girdles of the diamonds hitting each other. The diamond on diamond contact (girdles along the 2 bands rubbing) is the problem. When you put a spacer in the middle, the diamond edges of the e-ring band hit metal, smaller risk of chipping. The diamond edges of the w-band also hit metal, smaller risk of chipping. I am not an expert on ring construction and I'm trying to use laymen's terms for you. A spacer takes the brunt of the impact so your rings aren't damaging each other. Yes, it's cheaper, more disposable, etc. That's why I would never pay for a hand forged spacer, I'd buy a cheap platinum 1mm band off Etsy (~$100). Actually, if I was getting a pave halo, I'd probably get a plain wedding band and let my e-ring shine. Personal preference.

That's true. I personally like the look of a spacer. It provides a visual break for both the e-ring and w-band to shine.

 

[liaerfbv]

Here is a pic of SB's ring showing the type of spacer I'm trying to describe. She has the Emilya.

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/my-dream-ring-is-here-venice-in-vc-halo-t188043.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/show-me-the-ring/my-dream-ring-is-here-venice-in-vc-halo-t188043.html[/URL]

 

[Acinom]

This could also be an option for a flush look without a spacer in the middle. The risk of diamond girdles rubbing on diamond girdles still exists however. Also, it's still better to not have pave on the donut

 

[kay1]

This could also be an option for a flush look without a spacer in the middle. The risk of diamond girdles rubbing on diamond girdles still exists however. Also, it's still better to not have pave on the donut

This is exactly what I was thinking initially. I wonder if I could ask him to make it a tiny bit wider where the griddle of the diamonds doesn't pass the edge of the ring or something like that.

Edit: I've posed the question to VC, lets see what he says!

 

[SB621]

My .02 cents.

I'm not a fan of French pave. To me it changes the classic look of the Harry Winston style ring. I think VC likes doing the French because it gives it more a nod to his style.

I have worn my set with and without a spacer. You can get a thin space .8mm on etsy for a pretty good price. Really the wear of the pave will happen even with a spacer, you are just prolonging the inevitable. I believe jewelry should be worn so get what you want and eventually if it wears down just reset or get a new band. I should also mention that I do like the gap. If you hate the gap then a curved wedding band is probably a good idea. Before you make the decision I would also it on. I know some people hate the look in pictures but prefer it for comfort.

Goodluck.

 

[kay1]

My .02 cents.

I'm not a fan of French pave. To me it changes the classic look of the Harry Winston style ring. I think VC likes doing the French because it gives it more a nod to his style.

I have worn my set with and without a spacer. You can get a thin space .8mm on etsy for a pretty good price. Really the wear of the pave will happen even with a spacer, you are just prolonging the inevitable. I believe jewelry should be worn so get what you want and eventually if it wears down just reset or get a new band. I should also mention that I do like the gap. If you hate the gap then a curved wedding band is probably a good idea. Before you make the decision I would also it on. I know some people hate the look in pictures but prefer it for comfort.

Goodluck.

You have an Emilya Halo right? So many users i forget who has what! With donut and pave?

Worst case scenario i'm inclined to agree with you. I feel a bit like the spacer ruins the sleek affect. The donut looks better to me because of the shape under the diamond.

The pave on the donut is negligible in cost, i'd rather have it now, and if it falls off i'll have it fixed or removed at a later date.

I'll get back here on what VC says tho.