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Hi everyone. These are two of the diamonds I have narrowed it down to and was wondering what everything thinks.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Diamond_Details.aspx?idno=261570#


http://www.whiteflash.com/princess/Princess-cut-diamond-273017.htm#

There is also a AGS 0 I really like but its just over my price range
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I would prefer the first one out of these two. But honestly I would keep looking for an AGS0 in your price range. Remember that you get a PS and wire transfer discount with WF too on ACA or ES stones which could bring the price down for those a bit.

You should really ask for Idealscope and ASET images for the first one though before I would proceed.

I also don't know if this is in-house...and if it's not it might not qualify for future upgrades if that matters to you...
 
I have just been told by WF that the second one is on hold now, I liked the first one a lot too. I am going to get the images on it tomorrow as it is being overnighted to them. What things should I be looking for in these images??

Does anything strike you as bad about the first stone???
 
PUT THE FIRST ONE ON HOLD! If you haven''t already.

Then, ask for Idealscopes and an ASET.

There''s nothing that''s jumping out at me as really bad, otherwise I would have told you. But it could have bad pictures, so it''s important to see first...
 
Even though its an H color??? I tried to stay with a good girdle thickness, an alomost perfect square (important to me), good table and depth percentages. So thats why I thought the first stone was really good.

For some reason I wanted to stay at a G or better in color.


Are those two stones going to perform better that the WF one?? Shouldn''t I stay true to some of my personal standards? Like the L to W ratio.

I feel like I am never going to be satisfied, you guys just made me rethink about some things. But I appreciate it, thats why I am here.

I am leaving work and will check back in when I get home tonight.
 
Jay, I don''t want to make you give up anything. You seemed bummed because you wanted an AGS, so I tried to find you a couple. You hadn''t listed any preferences....

As for the color, I would personally go with H in a Princess, not any lower.

As for squareness, these are pretty darn close, especially the second one. I mean, they look square at how many times magnified don''t they? But if it''s a mind thing, I understand. My point is, no one is going to know they are not perfectly square.
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Date: 5/30/2007 6:40:37 PM
Author: jayk9797
Even though its an H color??? I tried to stay with a good girdle thickness, an alomost perfect square (important to me), good table and depth percentages. So thats why I thought the first stone was really good.


For some reason I wanted to stay at a G or better in color.



Are those two stones going to perform better that the WF one?? Shouldn''t I stay true to some of my personal standards? Like the L to W ratio.


I feel like I am never going to be satisfied, you guys just made me rethink about some things. But I appreciate it, thats why I am here.


I am leaving work and will check back in when I get home tonight.
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Without Idealscopes and ASETs for your choices it''s not guaranteed that they will perform better than the ones you''ve chosen, but it''s very very likely. AGS 0 is essentially the equivalent of a H&A round. It''s cut to perfect proportions to maximize light. It is very very likely that your GIA choices aren''t cut to that exacting of a standard.

Plus, the difference between G and H isn''t huge, and unless you''re very color sensitive, you should be fine.
 
Okay so now I am back in a dilema. The GIA VS2 G or the AGS SI1 H?????

The reason I liked the VS2 was because it was very close to a square, the girdle is Medium, the depth is in the premium cut range 71.2%, the table is in the premium cut range (71%) by the fancy cut chart on PS. The polish is EX, the symmetry is VG. So to me this is a very good stone.

Now lets look at the AGS, the girdle is 1.49% not sure what that means I think medium since 3% is thick, the depth is 70.9% (premium), the table is 71.1% also premium, polish and symmetry are both Ideal.

The length x width are .12 different, is that visibly noticable??? The GIA is .08 different.

What is pushing me away is the that its an H color and even though its an AGS I feel like the VS2 should look better being a VS2 and G color. I am going to get the sarin reports this afternoon and I will post them.

So the question is: Can a AGS SI1 H color look better than a GIA VS2 G, if all the other measurements/qualities are very close????
 
Date: 5/31/2007 1:11:43 PM
Author: jayk9797
Okay so now I am back in a dilema. The GIA VS2 G or the AGS SI1 H?????

The reason I liked the VS2 was because it was very close to a square, the girdle is Medium, the depth is in the premium cut range 71.2%, the table is in the premium cut range (71%) by the fancy cut chart on PS. The polish is EX, the symmetry is VG. So to me this is a very good stone.

Now lets look at the AGS, the girdle is 1.49% not sure what that means I think medium since 3% is thick, the depth is 70.9% (premium), the table is 71.1% also premium, polish and symmetry are both Ideal.

The length x width are .12 different, is that visibly noticable??? The GIA is .08 different.
I really don''t think anyone will be able to see such a minute difference. Have you drawn it out? The difference is practically like drawing dots on a paper.

What is pushing me away is the that its an H color and even though its an AGS I feel like the VS2 should look better being a VS2 and G color. I am going to get the sarin reports this afternoon and I will post them.
I doubt you''ll see the difference between the two when both are face up and mounted. The GIA will not necessarily look better than the AGS stone. Remember that colour and clarity does not determine the sparkle of the diamond (unless it is terribly included like an I3, but that''s not what we are comparing here.)
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So the question is: Can a AGS SI1 H color look better than a GIA VS2 G, if all the other measurements/qualities are very close????
See above answer. Actually, I''d go for the AGS0 since I know its light performance. I don''t know enough about the GIA stone.
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I think the H will be nicer as we''ve all told you.

Since it has the amazing cut of the AGS 0. An incredible cut can cover up a inclusions very well and also masks color well. CUT is what determines the sparkle and quality of the diamond much more than color and clarity. Since you are in a great place color and clarity wise with the eyeclean H SI, I would stick there.
 
The ASET and Idealscope have been posted!!!!

Opinions Please.
 
Can anyone tell me what they think of the images above????
 
It''s probably a fairly pretty diamond. Certainly not the worst images I''ve seen. But again, with a Princess, I''d personally go with an AGS000.


Irina, lol at your titles.
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Someone put the 1.52 H SI1 from GOG on hold. Was that you? Both of them looked like nice choices to me.
 
That was me. Did you like that stone?
 
Yes, it looks like a very nice diamond! Make sure it''s eye-clean (it looked like it should be...so did the 1.635 for that matter). Also, it says "AGS Ideal" so I''m guessing that means AGS000, but I don''t see an AGS report on the site. If it''s not AGS000, I''d get the 1.635, since the AGS report is uploaded for that diamond and it says 000.

All things being equal, I''d probably get the 1.52 because the dimensions are pretty much the same as the 1.635. There''s no point wasting the extra money on a stone that will face up the same size as the "smaller" one!
 
Date: 6/2/2007 1:51:01 PM
Author: jstarfireb
Yes, it looks like a very nice diamond! Make sure it''s eye-clean (it looked like it should be...so did the 1.635 for that matter). Also, it says ''AGS Ideal'' so I''m guessing that means AGS000, but I don''t see an AGS report on the site. If it''s not AGS000, I''d get the 1.635, since the AGS report is uploaded for that diamond and it says 000.
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It''s there, in the line up of pics (IS, etc.). They just don''t have it where they normally do.
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Either of the GOG''s would be great.
 
Date: 6/4/2007 12:35:23 PM
Author: jayk9797
What do you guys think of these rings??? Getting a 1.5 Princess cut. Ring size is a 3.5.

There is one as an attachment and two from WF below.


http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/4-Prong--Tiffany--Style-for-Princess_756.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/Engagement-Rings/Styles/Solitaire/-Legato--Sleek-Line_1118.htm#
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I think they are gorgeous!!! I love the scott kay one from pearlmans adn the legato from WF. The four prong tiffany is a little drab, but pretty.

This size and type of setting is going to look amazing on her teeny hands.
 
Thanks for your opinion, I feel the same way.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the big "X" in the middle of the diamond below? Do you think thats going to visible with the naked eye?


http://204.17.89.15/diamond/1967/
 
Date: 6/4/2007 1:31:55 PM
Author: jayk9797
Thanks for your opinion, I feel the same way.

Does anyone have any thoughts on the big ''X'' in the middle of the diamond below? Do you think thats going to visible with the naked eye?


http://204.17.89.15/diamond/1967/
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That''s a pretty normal quality of even well cut princess stones.
 
Does anyone have any thoughts on the AGS report from Good Old Gold. Its from 2005? I thought you shouldn''t buy a stone with a lab report older than 6 months.

Also what should I offer the jeweler for the diamond, how much under asking price???
 
Date: 6/5/2007 10:48:22 AM
Author: jayk9797
Does anyone have any thoughts on the AGS report from Good Old Gold. Its from 2005? I thought you shouldn''t buy a stone with a lab report older than 6 months.

Also what should I offer the jeweler for the diamond, how much under asking price???
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I really doubt GOG is going to come down on price since their prices are already reasonable. Ask for the pricescope discount, sometimes vendors here give a small one (5%) with the bankwire.
 
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