Opinions on this rock?

[finchuck]

Straight off the EGL cert:
Weight 0.92 ct.
Shape ROUND BRILLIANT Cut
Color G
Clarity SI2
Measurements 6.39 - 6.34 x 3.82 mm
Depth 60.0 %
Table 58.0 %
Crown 13.7 %
Pavilion 43.5 %
Girdle THIN TO MEDIUM FACETED
Polish GOOD TO VERY GOOD
Symmetry GOOD
Fluorescence NONE
Culet NONE

10X photo:

 

[valeria101]

Why exactly are you going for such a diamond on such a budget ?

Aside the list below, there were 30 mroe stones from a serch for "Excellent cut, AGS0 Including, H&A Including, 1.2 - 2 cts, G - I color, VS1 - SI2 clarity" priced from 5.5k to 15k.

With the time and effort spent to judge these stones one by one you could probably get a couple of these 'ideals' down to Earth (appraiser's store) from Cyberspace and take it from there - cheaply...

 

[pqcollectibles]

Chasing another eBay stone, Fin??

 

[dimonbob]

Just looking at the inclusions that are visible in the picture, that diamond is not an SI2. Try I1!
I think you can do better.

 

[aljdewey]

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On 3/4/2004 4:41:59 PM valeria101 wrote:





Why exactly are you going for such a diamond on such a budget ----------------

Because he's convinced that he can find the "deal of the century" on eBay, and no one can tell him any differently, Val, so it's pointless to try.

It's been gently suggested to him repeatedly by many different posters to work with a reputable vendor. He even had a diamond from ebay sent to an appraiser only to find out it wasn't what it was cracked up to be. After that, he claimed he would stick to a reputable vendor, but I'm guessing that resolve is out the window again.

I don't quite understand why he keeps coming here with stone after stone after stone asking what everyone thinks, because the answer doesn't really change at all. Over and over, it's been said "you can do better".....to no avail.

Frankly, I think it's a complete waste of time, and I think it's taking an awfully big risk with a major purchase. However, it's not my time, and it's not my money at risk (thank god!), so as long as he's happy with how he's spending his time, I guess that's all that matters.

 

[Mara]

Those inclusions are icky. EGL graded SI2? Why aren't I surprised.




FIN! Listen up buddy. NO MORE EBAY STONES. Repeat after me! Or if you find one that looks like it has potential, at least run the research yourself first and then bring the question.




I say this because some of the stuff you post, it's a no brainer that it's not going to be a good deal. If you have learned nothing else, you should know the red flags. But yet people have to tell you that over and over?




If the numbers match up, the stone looks eye-clean, and it's a reputable grading lab, then ask your question.. Otherwise it's kind of like the little boy crying diamond .....over and over!

 

[valeria101]

Oh well...I have not followed the history of this offer, Aldjewey.

There must be a price for everything, everywhere. I was merely hoping that the respective stone is a good deal for what it is (EGL cert and all).

I would be the last person to discredit a wholehearted Ebay search for the best and brightest: the place is a good shopping ground only demanding lots of patience and even more knowledge to navigate.

Obviously, this stone is better than the last one the same seller offered (as posted previously) - if the price is right and the stone corresponds to the buyer's wishes, why not. I see no price in the posts though, and this is obviously the kind of stone meant to be "good value" not "knock your virtual socks off" top of all conceivable charts... as per digital diamond immaging.

 

[pqcollectibles]

Actually, I did the eBay thaing when I was looking.

I had my Cut Chart to flip thru. I went thru each color in the range I was interested in. Search G's. Search H's. Search F's. Search I's.

I found a few that had nice specs. I emailed more than a few eBay sellers for follow up info. I wanted Sarins on the diamonds. I got 1 response from a jeweler in California saying he would send me Sarin info the next day. He didn't.

I compared specs to stones listed on Price Scope. Every time, I could find a diamond on PS that was comparable or lower in price. Why fool with people that won't give you info when you can get everything from Vendors here??!! I gave up on eBay and bought thru PS.

Maybe Fin will get lucky and find an individual selling a ring where he can pick up a decent diamond for less. Who knows??!!

 

[Mara]

Those excellent private-ish deals are far and few between PQ but not unheard of.




I recall a guy recently on here..a few months back...who had an ACA he wanted to sell. He had bought it about 6 months before, don't know why...failed engagement? Anyway it was something like a 1.15 G SI or something, ACA...and it looked great! He had it on eBay for something like $4k and paid something like $7k? I don't recall exact specifics but recall that it looked like an amazing deal for what he paid and knowing the value of a well-cut ACA.




I don't recall if he ever sold it...but whoever bought it, if they did, got a stellar deal!!

Edited to add: I just found the old url. A little more than $4k but still good deal around $6k!


https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/anyone-wanna-buy-a-ring-need-some-help-selling-it.10820/

 

[pqcollectibles]

Oh, I know, Mara. Watchful folk can find them from time to time. And I wasn't even thinking about a diamond as fabulous as an ACA. Just a really nice diamond.

 

[finchuck]

This stone will probably go for $1,000 - $1,500 on ebay. I'm not REALLY looking to buy a stone right now, I just like to kick around some that tweak me on eBay and see what everybody has to say. If something would happen to come along that was definitely worth it, like the last stone I found that I actually had sent to me, then I'd go for it. I apologize if posting the few stones that I have bothered you guys, I didn't mean to do that.

The 1.13ct I/SI1 stone that I had sent to me but ended up sending back as per the escrow agreement, well, I really thought that would be nice. The seller had bought it from dirtcheapdiamonds.com and they verified it with me, but it ended up not being very sparkly. I guess because DCD bases their "ideal" cuts on table and depth alone. I lost $130 because of escrow and shipping charges, but it was a learning experience.

Also, thank you for pointing out that those inclusions would be an I1 and for that reason, most likely be visable to the naked eye. I really wasn't sure about that.

 

[finchuck]

As a side note, the 1.67ct that I posted before is still available as the buyer backed out. Rhino seemed to think it would be a decent stone.

I also sent an email to the dude that was trying to sell the ACA diamond posted above. See if he's still got it.

 

[Uncle Marty]

Finchuck et al,
Sooooooo EGL identified this Diamond.

It is not enough to quote a grading report from EGL when there are more than 1 EGL labs.

Which EGL did your report?
And when was the report written ?
It might interest you all to know that not all EGL locations are as precise as others.

Uncle Marty of course

 

[finchuck]

This and the other stone are from EGL-LA and were graded within the past few months. What's that tell ya?

 

[valeria101]

Juts two Qs:

Why do you think DCD selects "ideals" based on table and depth alone - as you say - or in an unreliable manner, as I imply from the text?

Why is this stone an "ACA" - meaninig "A cut Above" - the H&A cuts brand of Whiteflash ?

As you say that this diamond would be sold 1.5k on Ebay... would this be from a regular diamond seller, or a second-hand, last minute offer ? It ia a quarter of the "retail" after all...

Oh well, I hope these details would not go against your diamond shopping decission. Most PS posts - at least among those I read, obviously not all - would shun "bargains" for fear of misrepresentated goods. I suspect this is a real concern - but at $150/mistake, it could be indeed worth it, as you say.

 

[strmrdr]

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On 3/5/2004 3:53:20 AM Uncle Marty wrote:

Finchuck et al,
Sooooooo EGL identified this Diamond.

It is not enough to quote a grading report from EGL when there are more than 1 EGL labs.

Which EGL did your report?
And when was the report written ?
It might interest you all to know that not all EGL locations are as precise as others.

Uncle Marty of course----------------

EGl certs ,the various labs, and soft grading has been endlessly talked about here but one more time wont hurt.
Which ones are bad and which are good in your opinion?

 

[finchuck]

Valerie: from DCD's site, for the stones that only have GIA certs, how else could they determine that a stone is an ideal cut? All I know is that the stone I bought off eBay was originally bought from DCD as an ideal cut, and it didn't sparkle much.

And what exactly is your question about the ACA? Some dude was selling it on eBay. He posted here a while ago. I just got an email from him saying that it's still available

 

[finchuck]

Oh yeah, the stone that I mentioned that would go for $1,000 - $1,500 is from a vendor on eBay that sells and cuts tons of their own stones. They have great feedback, a 100% money back guarentee, and are part of the BBB. Every stone they sell is EGL graded.