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ChromeWaves

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After weeks of searching, I finally found a radiant my girlfriend can live with. It''s got the proportions she was hoping for, the specs look good on paper, and she did a lot of side by side comparisons with other radiants.

That leaves it up to me to determine whether the stone is technically sound. She loves it, and that''s what really matters, but I''m trying to avoid any chance of "Buyer''s Remorse" on my side.
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GIA 1.62 G VS1
Dimensions: 7.58 x 6.43 x 3.98
Depth: 61.9
Table: 67
Girdle: Medium
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent


What do you think of the attached BrillianceScope image? My gf''s mainly looking for a clean, relatively fiery stone. Will this one do the trick?


Thanx!



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Well, if she loves it, stop asking questions! ;) It's a good size for the carat weight.
Do I *love* the bscope? No. But she loves it, right? Should you ever judge a stone by BScope alone? Heck no!
 
 
I surely like the shape and appreciate the relatively large size for 1.6carats...

The BScope insists that some other radiants may look brighter in direct light (there room to the right on those scales). But this tool does not say how much better is possible - that is definitely not a linear scale, and no one says it is.

At this point, I am not sure it is worth chasing a stone that gets higher scores because it is not clear what those scores mean
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Besides, the Brilliance Scope has a tad of bias in favor of fancy cuts with lots of contrast brilliance and the jury is still out about how much of that is too much of a good thing. This stone barely has any of that (=facets that reflect images back to you and apear dark upclose)... and I could not say this is not a good thing - quite the contrary.

If you are hunting down the radiant with perfect brilliance, is it possible to see this in person, or under the IdealSCope (another tool that uses more realistic lighting conditions) ?

From the Brilliance Scope chart, the most useful bit for me are the pictures. Not the scores
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Surely better and more realistic pictures of diamonds can be taken, but these are a start. If there is anywhere an explanation of how those scales were constructed and what the scores mean, I have yet to find that information.
 

Thanks for the feedback, MMM and Ana!


We''ve seen more than our share of radiants, both branded and non-branded. This particular stone has a little extra pizazz in person.


I guess I''m hung up on the "decent" BrillianceScope performance. Since the EX/EX adds a few bucks to the price, I was hoping for a real scorcher! Unfortunately, it''s pretty tough to find radiants that meet my eagle-eyed gf''s standards, and she does like this one. From what I recall, this stone is pretty good under the IdealScope, but once again, I''m sure I can do somewhat better.


I do have the option of waiting for an incrementally better stone, but who knows how long it''d take. And who knows how much prices will have jumped!

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Does anyone else have advise to offer?

 
Just remember that YOUR eyes will tell you what the bottom line is.

If you and your GF have looked at dozens of radiants, know what to look for in a poor and great performing stone, and this one just keeps calling to you, then forget about the mediocre brilliancescope readings. They are definitely not determinative of how great the stone really is.
 
There''s no question that radiants MUST be seen in person for accurate assessment. I''ve seen several stones that had all the right numbers and were just lifeless. This one''s got nice specs, but more importantly, looks snappy. It''s an agonizing decision! (More so for my gf
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You say the IdealScope was cute... well, there are quite a few fancies that pass the Iscope allot better than the BrillianceScope. These two tools do not agree 100% (far from that, IMO). So there''s plenty of room left for your own judgement to be the ultimate arbiter - as it should be.

Did I say "Go for it ! " just yet ?
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There''s no question the "Girlfriend''s-Eye-Scope" is of great importance.
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It''s funny, because she picked this stone based on how it looked under different lighting conditions. Lots of side-by-side comparisons, and lots of "let''s run down the block to the next store while our memory''s fresh" comparisons.
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I almost wish I didn''t have the BrillianceScope info! All it''s done is cause ME lots of stress and aggravation. She''s got a great eye, and I certainly agree this is a fine-looking stone in the flesh.

We''ll see! There''s always the 30 day return policy!
 
CW, I don't think you should be agonizing about any tests scores this stone will get, as none of the tests are even designed for Radiants or fancies... These tests are basically made for round stones, and then altered to adjust for fancies. Fancy shaped stones have a life of their own because of the sides and different facet patterns react so differenctly at different crown heights and pav depths. What may be good for one radiant may not work on another, based on a simple length to width ratio.

The best test for a radiant is the "girlfriend eye-scope" because in the end you will be buying it and that's the only test that will be performed everyday...trust me, I know!!!

You would be surprised to know that when people buy million dollars worth of estate jewelery in auction houses the only two things they use are a lab report for color, clarity, plot, and caratage, and a condition report to determine the state of the entire piece. No Sarins, No brilliantscopes, no cardboard tubes with gadets everywhere. No we are talking some of the most sophisticated buyers in the world spending millions of dollars. Even they know that the eyes have it. Especially in fancy shaped stones or antique cuts.

Stop worrying and trust your own eyes. After all, the harshest critic is always the one who wears it and sees it everyday and she already approved it!

All the best!
 
Date: 5/13/2005 12:20:44 PM
Author: Nicrez
All the best!
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HI:

Sorry to hijack the thread--but congrats NIcrez on your new credentials (GG...)

cheers--Sharon
 
By utlizing software that I have generated, together with the synthesis of data I extrapolated from your information, I''ve come up with this picture...NOT...This is the stone on GOG. You could have showed us the pic, you know! :) Forget about the freakin b-scope already, it''s a really pretty stone.

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Date: 5/13/2005 2:35:38 PM
Author: moremoremore
By utlizing software that I have generated, together with the synthesis of data I extrapolated from your information, I''ve come up with this picture...NOT...This is the stone on GOG. You could have showed us the pic, you know! :) Forget about the freakin b-scope already, it''s a really pretty stone.
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MMM, you crack me up! I started reading your post and couldn''t believe you''d taken your love of diamonds so far!!! Too funny!
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ChromeWaves, listen to the advice you''ve been given--this stone looks spectacular!
 
LOL - you folks crack me up.
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I wasn''t aware GOG had put anything up on their site about the stone! Tim was supposed to let me know, but the PriceScope fanatics have scooped a vendor again!
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(Tim''s been fantastic to work with, BTW)

I''m off to check the stone''s reports out!
 
LOL....Yeah, researcher...didn''t I just learn how to post my own pix? LOLOL...
 
Note: B Scope reports for Radiants.


The radiant database of Gemex, doesn''t have enough samples of Radiants to be considered totally complete.


Hence - there is a "warning" noting this on the report.

I am not sure of the exact number of how many radiants have been through the system, however, for the rounds and princesses it is pretty much complete with the samplings being around 800,000 stones.

Eventually, there will have been enough Radiants, imaged to make far more accurate determinations.

The information on the Bscope is useful, but this is still and emerging science.

As far as your SO''s ability to discern light return, the human eye sees things far differently than machines which measure pixel things.

I would suggest reviewing this stone in the B Scope Viewer. It I believe is more advantageous for eyeball analysis,especially in the case of Fancy cuts/shapes. Why? the ring light is adjustable to far more varying light entry angles, and the "judge" of the result is a human eye, rather than a machine. In this way you can observe light exit affects as the light entry angle is gradually raised and lowered.

As a hint, you need to see with your own eye, the variances the stone exhibits as the light entry angle is changed, which is demonstrated in the view, which can''t be with the B Scope Analyzer.

Hopefully the seller has both machines, and can show you the results in the viewer, comparing several stones side by side as well.

Rockdoc
 

Well, I pulled the trigger. This radiant is now comfortably resting in my bedroom, awaiting deployment tomorrow! After spending a few hours with it, I suspect this stone is a keeper!

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Next week, I''ll post a summary of what I learned during my quest for a radiant. I''ll be sure to take plenty of pictures once I pop the question, but here''s a quickie. Thanks to everyone who helped me! More to come...


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Chrome,
All I can say is WOW!!!! That is a beautiful radiant if I ever saw one. Congratulations on picking such a gorgeous stone. I just love the setting and the double claw prongs. It''s a winner in my book. She is going to love it. Can''t wait for the hand pics and your proposal story. It''s amazing. Good job!!!
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Well I don''t know how I missed this--it''s spectacular, and I''m glad you went with your gut!!!!

(You''re not the chihuahua proposer, are you? Two gorgeous radiants in one day!)

KUDOS!!! And fill us in after the deed is done.....and to that end, you "done" good
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Excellent picture Chrome! Thank you for allowing us to be of service during this special chapter of your life.
 
Thanks for all the kind words!
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The proposal went great! She loves the ring!

I''m a little busy at the moment, but I will definitely post more pics, the proposal story, and - most importantly - a summary of my findings. I learned a lot while radiant shopping and I want to give something back to the Pricescope community!
 
ChromeWaves,
Congratulations, so glad she loves the ring. Can't wait to hear all about it!!! Best wishes to the both of you.
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What a stunner!!! Can''t wait for more pics, just gorgeous!!!
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