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farmer gal

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I am looking for around a half a carat oec my plans are to put it in a sapphire halo pendant:) Can you please give me your opinions on this stone. Thanks :twirl:

http://vimeo.com/42469257
 
My guess is it's quite shallow with a large table which is not a good combo. Plus with the premium of buying from a jeweler vs an estate piece, I'd definitely pass.
 
A small table and high crown is sort of their hallmark, so look for that plus a pleasing facet pattern. Ebay is a good place to find deals if you don't mind wading through a lot of listings.
 
If anyone has other suggestions that would be helpful as well I am open :twirl:
 
Well, I think it looks like the perfect pendant stone, personally! Shallower stones are great for pendants, and this one you have the advantage of seeing it as it performs in a couple of different lighting environments. I thought it looked good in the video. The larger table will make it brighter which I think is also good for a pendant. In addition, I think the price is excellent. In fact, you can send for it to look at and return if you don't like it if you wish. If we were talking about a large stone where you could save thousands of dollars by spending many hours searching ebay, it would be different to me. But $650 isn't all that much for a .5 stone that comes with a return policy from a reliable vendor.
 
It is not an attractive old cut, in my opinion. I am really not a fan of old cuts of that ilk. The price is indeed low, likely as a reflection of the cut quality. But for me this is an example of what we were talking about in another thread: Not all old diamonds are pretty.

What is your budget?
 
I could probably go up to 800 right now if that isn't enough I could save for a while if I could get a better stone :twirl:
 
Make an offer on this: http://diamondbistro.com/category/197/Necklaces-and-Pendants/listings/28900/OEC-Barbara-Pendant.html

The diamond is lovely. I think it is a little overpriced for the secondary market given the size of the diamond, but it is already set. Offer what you can afford.

If you are not set on an old cut -- and to be honest in a pendant and in that size an old cut is not really necessary, this is an awesome stone and a great price:

http://diamondbistro.com/category/215/Loose-natural-Diamonds/listings/29023/GIA-062ct-K-SI1-round-cut-Canadian-Diamond-H-and-A.html

JBEG has a nice OEC but it is $1000.
 
I agree with dreamer.
 
If you keep looking, 5.3mm'ish size seem to be somewhat popular on DB lately so who knows what may show up if you are patient!

I don't think the first diamond you linked is unappealing at all, it has a nice flower pattern in the middle and good symmetry, though I didn't click on the vimeo link to see anything else. And I agree with DS that shallower stones can be more appealing in pendants where you may want a brighter pinpoint on your neck to call attn to.

I think GOG has a return policy right, so if you order it to see in person you can always send it back if it's not to your liking. Not a bad price point either.
 
Thanks for all your opinions maybe I will wait a little to see if I can increase my budget :naughty:
 
I have actually seen that diamond-it is pretty. I am not an expert-but it was not a dud at all.
 
I think most diamonds are pretty to a point, but I'd have to fall in the same camp with DD and Gypsy on this one.

There looks to be a bit of a dead zone in the top half of the table area. I don't think that makes it a dud, per se, but I agree that there are probably better candidates to be had.

ETA: However, for what it is, I don't think it's unreasonably priced at all, particularly for a retail store.
 
I did try to look for some others for you, but I think you'll be looking at $1000+ to get a really great one unless you spend a lot of time on ebay! ;)) (or just be patient and more will be available on the pre-loved forum)
 
The interesting thing is that to me the pic of the stone looks pretty good but the vid (finally looked at it) does have a bit of a dead area... wonder if it's head obstruction or something was odd in the video setup.

In any case... did you look at OWD?
 
My opinion was based on the video. If Kasey has seen it and thought it was nice, it could be worth looking at. The price is pretty good for the carat weight.

The thing is, if you are new to old cuts, I worry you will not be able to judge its cut quality and might be settling for less than you could get with some time and patience.
 
I emailed the seller:)
 
Gypsy|1337576625|3200079 said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/67-CARET-BEAUTIFUL-VS-EUROPEAN-CUT-DIAMOND-PERFECT-FOR-ENGAGEMENT-RING-/230773256518?pt=Loose_Diamonds&hash=item35bb287146 I think the photography on this one is bad and the diamond might have potential and it's higher color than M. I would ask for a return policy 14 days if you are interested.
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I also have that one on my wish list. I think it is a high risk diamond to buy because the photos are so poor. The table looks large and the crown shallow, and I think there is some fish eye evident in some photos. In this case I think the GOG could be a better buy for the OP, simply because it is easier and likely a similar cut quality (though smaller). The same issue of a newbie assessing cut quality exists unfortunately.OP if you proceed do so ONLY if the buyer agrees to a 100% refund return period of at least one week. You can ask them to change the listing.

This is one I almost bought. Seller told me the stone is 5.76mm, so I think much larger than the stated carat weight. It looks divine in the photos in terms of cut. Buyer protection would cover you for damage or eye visible inclusions, based on the seller description. You can ask if its still available. Still, its risky!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221009252892?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
 
I didn't shoot the clip of this particular one but if you'd like to see it alongside of a deeper OEC with completely different proportions I can accommodate farmergal. As an FYI here is the ASET on this one. If you are not 110% happy with it you know how we stand behind our products.

Kind regards,
Rhino

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Thanks John for replying. I did email Sarah because I had originally asked for a comparison video comparing this stone as well
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/9293/
Again, I really don't know what I am looking for in terms of numbers on old cuts, and maybe I shouldn't buy one until I do my research :twirl:
 
Rhino|1337616606|3200245 said:
I didn't shoot the clip of this particular one but if you'd like to see it alongside of a deeper OEC with completely different proportions I can accommodate farmergal. As an FYI here is the ASET on this one. If you are not 110% happy with it you know how we stand behind our products.

Kind regards,
Rhino
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In an old cut... what does this picture say? Anybody... Just curious. Thanks! :read:
 
farmer gal|1337641227|3200496 said:
Thanks John for replying. I did email Sarah because I had originally asked for a comparison video comparing this stone as well
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/9293/
Again, I really don't know what I am looking for in terms of numbers on old cuts, and maybe I shouldn't buy one until I do my research :twirl:
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You really can't go by numbers with antique stones. To me, they are more like any fancy shape..you have to see the stone and know how it performs.

For what it's worth, the ASET on the GOG looks excellent.
 
Yes, that ebay stone looks lovely too. I haven't heard back from the other ebay seller yet. I also emailed ID to see if they could come up with something. I will try emailing the other ebayer to see if the ring ever sold :twirl:
 
diamondseeker2006|1337652054|3200641 said:
farmer gal|1337641227|3200496 said:
Thanks John for replying. I did email Sarah because I had originally asked for a comparison video comparing this stone as well
http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/9293/
Again, I really don't know what I am looking for in terms of numbers on old cuts, and maybe I shouldn't buy one until I do my research :twirl:
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You really can't go by numbers with antique stones. To me, they are more like any fancy shape..you have to see the stone and know how it performs.

For what it's worth, the ASET on the GOG looks excellent.
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I actually think that the ASET shows the shallow issue that is apparent in the video: Fish eye. Notice on the right side there is a crescent moon shape of blue encircling the central area or red? That is basically the leakage or indistinct faceting that I think also shows in the video. So the ASET confirms the impression the video gave of the stone. It is possible in person with binocular vision and in motion the fish eye is not so apparent, but most likely you can see it. It all depends what you are willing to accept in a diamond for the price, and what you are looking for.

Farmer this one you linked: http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/9293/ Is also very shallow and has a large crown for an OEC. Those are not things to look for. In my experience, you want to try and find a stone with a goodly depth, over 60% and really closer to 65% plus is better, and a table below 50% but really for me 45% or smaller is better. These are very rough outlines, but the bigger tables and shallower stones tend to have fish eye and issues with messy indistinct faceting I have noticed.
 
Dreamer, I am curious if you use an ASET on OEC stones you buy. I'd honestly like to see the ASET for all the old stones being sold on Pre-loved just to see how they compare to this one. But I am not seeing any of the pre-loved stones or these ebay stones posted with ASETS. And without it, we really don't know that they are a bit better than this stone as far as light performance. I appreciate the focus on cut quality and why this stone might be dismissed, but I expect the same thorough examination to be applied to all stones.

ETA: The thing is, we can say what approx measurements are most visually appealing to us personally, but in reality, antique stones are not precision cut and the crown and pavilion facets may not be consistently cut. So there is really no way without an ASET to be sure that an individual stone doesn't have leakage.
 
As I'm sure you know, I buy my OECs with much less information that GOG provides! I do not use an ASET or other scope to select my OECs. I look for a few key features in photos: a very small table, ideally below 50%; a high crown, much higher than one tends to see in a modern RB; large kite facets which help indicate the high/large crown surface area; good brightness accross the whole face of the stone along with clearly delineated facet patterning evident evenly accross the face of the stone. And I avoid any evidence of two things: hazy circles around the table area with indistinct faceting contained within; over-dark black holes under the table. These visual bechmarks have served me very well so far and I have not brought a dud home yet. So this is what I am suggesting the OP look for. With this particular stone, were I looking at it on ebay for my own collection, I would not buy it. It does not pass my own personal tests.

I disagree that you need an ASET to see leakage. Generally speaking I can see it clearly in photographs and I can see it in person easily.

ETA: I will go one step further to suggest that nearly all true antique cuts have leakage in some way. Usually it is seen as darkness under the table when the stone is tilted at a certain angle. In the stones I have owned, they varied in how much darkness they show. I have had two that shows no leakage at all to my eye. What would ASETs look like? Who knows. I can't say I care. At the risk of sounding like a luddite, I have never really been able to make heads or tails of ASETs and they certainly don't tell us anything substantive about old cuts... or most other fancies IMO! Pictures and video or your own (educated and trained) eyes are much more useful.
 
farmer gal|1337652187|3200644 said:
Yes, that ebay stone looks lovely too. I haven't heard back from the other ebay seller yet. I also emailed ID to see if they could come up with something. I will try emailing the other ebayer to see if the ring ever sold :twirl:
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You can use that image as a benchmark to compare pictures to. Save it to your desktop :)) Another good tip off for a well cut OEC is the presence of kozibe. It suggests that the pavilion and crown angles are complimentary and that the stone will exhibit good fire!
 
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