Opinions on this 2.27ct RB

[kmklos]

I would like your thoughts on this RB stone that I put on hold for my consideration:
Size: 2.27 carat
8.41*8.47*5.21
AGS 000 Ideal cut
SI2
Color: I
Depth: 61.8
Table: 55
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pav. Angle: 40.7
Girdle: thin to medium

HCA= 1.1
Price: approx. $15,000

There is picture of the stone on the James Allen website. It has a couple inclusions which I need to found out how visible they are when the stone isn''t magnified by 7x. If this link works, I''d be interested in anyone''s opinion on the stone and its inclusions. The cert indicates that the SI2 rating is based on clouds not shown. I''m somewhat concerned by that but don''t know if I should be.
Link to diamond

I have ordered an idealscope and will post it once I get it.

Does this stone have potential? Thanks for the advice.

 

[neatfreak]

Yes it certainly has potential. Looks like it will probably be really nice, but an IS image is always good to confirm with!

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 11/4/2008 8:38:48 PM
Author: neatfreak
Yes it certainly has potential. Looks like it will probably be really nice, but an IS image is always good to confirm with!

I agree. Ask if they think it is eye clean; the image looks good!

 

[Lorelei]

Thritto the ladies, it looks very promising!

 

[kmklos]

Well, I still can''t believe I did it, but I went ahead and ordered this diamond. I''m excited and nervous all at once. I''m still a little worried about the inclusion(s). The rep at James Allen indicated it was eye clean and was a great stone. We''ll have to see if it is eye clean enough for me. I like the idea of a 30 day return policy. However, I''ve been looking a long time so I hope this is "the one".

I will try to attache the ideal scope image. I would love people''s opinions/thoughts on it.

Thanks again everyone!

 

[dbsdiamonds]

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[AprilBaby]

It looks lovely! It appears the inclusion is in a spot that can be covered by a prong.

 

[kmklos]

I think my search is going to continue, and I need some more advice. I purchased the 2.27 carat RB I mentioned in this post. It is a pretty AGS 000 stone. White as can be, and I can''t see any of the inclusions what so ever unless I flip the diamond upside down. I can even see the arrow pattern with my naked eye.

That said..... I think it is too white without enough contrast. It definitely sparkles but doesn''t seem to "pop". I don''t see as much fire or scintilation as I think I now realize is my preference.

So.... can any of the experts tell me what I should be looking for in my next stone? Are there certain crown and pavilion angle ranges I should stay in? I thought I was doing pretty good with an AGS 000 with an HCA score of 1.1 in the TIC range. But maybe I want to be in the FIC range???

Thoughts?

 

[MissGotRocks]

Can you post a picture of the loose stone?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/16/2008 10:58:03 AM
Author: kmklos
I think my search is going to continue, and I need some more advice. I purchased the 2.27 carat RB I mentioned in this post. It is a pretty AGS 000 stone. White as can be, and I can't see any of the inclusions what so ever unless I flip the diamond upside down. I can even see the arrow pattern with my naked eye.

That said..... I think it is too white without enough contrast. It definitely sparkles but doesn't seem to 'pop'. I don't see as much fire or scintilation as I think I now realize is my preference.

So.... can any of the experts tell me what I should be looking for in my next stone? Are there certain crown and pavilion angle ranges I should stay in? I thought I was doing pretty good with an AGS 000 with an HCA score of 1.1 in the TIC range. But maybe I want to be in the FIC range???

Thoughts?

That is a beautifully cut stone you have there, have you made sure that the diamond is scrupulously clean and examined it in different lighting? And a question - have you seen many diamonds and do you think your expectations are accurate? A diamond won't show fire all the time, it is dependant on the available lighting before it can display fire, brilliance, scintillation etc etc. Even a FIC won't show fire all the time, only if the lighting is conducive, plus there can be trade offs with this type of diamond.

Take the diamond outside and view it under a tree, sunlight with the sun behind you, candlelight and just really try to give it a good test drive before making up your mind. Diamonds can look very different according to the available lighting and fire and scintillation are only part of the performance of a well cut stone and not something you will see all the time - the lighting and viewing conditions have to be right.

What I would suggest it to check this diamond out in as many different lightings as you can ( make sure it is clean) and if possible compare it to some others so you can get a feel for how a well cut stone performs if you haven't seen any others, as a baseline comparison. Also you could see about getting an independant appraiser to check the stone out of you are not sure, look for one who can evaluate the cut and performance for you.

Here is a tool so you can find one in your area.

https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

This diamond is a top cut stone - but if you aren't sure of it try to check out some other diamonds in person to get a comparison before returning it - try to view some other AGS0 or some Hearts on Fire to see how those 'behave'.

 

[Deelight]

Date: 11/16/2008 12:32:59 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 11/16/2008 10:58:03 AM

Author: kmklos

I think my search is going to continue, and I need some more advice. I purchased the 2.27 carat RB I mentioned in this post. It is a pretty AGS 000 stone. White as can be, and I can''t see any of the inclusions what so ever unless I flip the diamond upside down. I can even see the arrow pattern with my naked eye.


That said..... I think it is too white without enough contrast. It definitely sparkles but doesn''t seem to ''pop''. I don''t see as much fire or scintilation as I think I now realize is my preference.


So.... can any of the experts tell me what I should be looking for in my next stone? Are there certain crown and pavilion angle ranges I should stay in? I thought I was doing pretty good with an AGS 000 with an HCA score of 1.1 in the TIC range. But maybe I want to be in the FIC range???


Thoughts?

That is a beautifully cut stone you have there, have you made sure that the diamond is scrupulously clean and examined it in different lighting? And a question - have you seen many diamonds and do you think your expectations are accurate? A diamond won''t show fire all the time, it is dependant on the available lighting before it can display fire, brilliance, scintillation etc etc. Even a FIC won''t show fire all the time, only if the lighting is conducive, plus there can be trade offs with this type of diamond.


Take the diamond outside and view it under a tree, sunlight with the sun behind you, candlelight and just really try to give it a good test drive before making up your mind. Diamonds can look very different according to the available lighting and fire and scintillation are only part of the performance of a well cut stone and not something you will see all the time - the lighting and viewing conditions have to be right.


What I would suggest it to check this diamond out in as many different lightings as you can ( make sure it is clean) and if possible compare it to some others so you can get a feel for how a well cut stone performs if you haven''t seen any others, as a baseline comparison. Also you could see about getting an independant appraiser to check the stone out of you are not sure, look for one who can evaluate the cut and performance for you.


Here is a tool so you can find one in your area.


https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx


This diamond is a top cut stone - but if you aren''t sure of it try to check out some other diamonds in person to get a comparison before returning it - try to view some other AGS0 or some Hearts on Fire to see how those ''behave''.

Ditto, take it out and play, play, play.

Having a clean diamond helps as well fingers prints can dull it quickly enough.

 

[kmklos]

Thanks everyone.... I will try to take some pictures and upload them. I''m not sure my camera will cooperate!

I am going to take it to an appraiser this week. I did, however, take it to a custom designer yesterday who is going to make my ring. He had a couple other ideal cut stones that I compared mine to, and there was a significant difference in the appearance/performance. Under direct light, my stone almost looks milky although the cert says it has negligible flouresence. My ring maker says that some times certain "rough" can appear cloudier???? I''m not sure if that is what is going on in my case or not. He cleaned it several times because he thought it was dirty but it didn''t really change the look.

My stone seems to perform better natural/low light conditions which is good since that is how I''m going to see it most of the time. I don''t see any cloudiness at all. It''s clear and bright!

I''m going to try to compare it to other stones this week. I may just be over thinking this, but I want to be sure. Something doesn''t seem quite right....

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/16/2008 1:02:11 PM
Author: kmklos
Thanks everyone.... I will try to take some pictures and upload them. I'm not sure my camera will cooperate!

I am going to take it to an appraiser this week. I did, however, take it to a custom designer yesterday who is going to make my ring. He had a couple other ideal cut stones that I compared mine to, and there was a significant difference in the appearance/performance. Under direct light, my stone almost looks milky although the cert says it has negligible flouresence. My ring maker says that some times certain 'rough' can appear cloudier???? I'm not sure if that is what is going on in my case or not. He cleaned it several times because he thought it was dirty but it didn't really change the look.

My stone seems to perform better natural/low light conditions which is good since that is how I'm going to see it most of the time. I don't see any cloudiness at all. It's clear and bright!

I'm going to try to compare it to other stones this week. I may just be over thinking this, but I want to be sure. Something doesn't seem quite right....

Get an independant appraiser to check it out definitely - it is an AGS0 and it wouldn't have been given that designation lightly so an expert opinion would be valuable in this case and also definitely try to compare it to some other diamonds of known cut quality so you can get a better idea.

 

[Poppy77]

I wonder if it may be an issue with the clouds being the grade making inclusion. Ive heard that can be a problem with SI2s that have clouds as the grade maker. I believe it may be Garry H that has mentioned that possibility in the past?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 11/16/2008 2:04:09 PM
Author: Poppy77
I wonder if it may be an issue with the clouds being the grade making inclusion. Ive heard that can be a problem with SI2s that have clouds as the grade maker. I believe it may be Garry H that has mentioned that possibility in the past?

I wondered that also but as this is an AGS0 cut grade, I doubt it would have been given that designation if clouds were causing problems in that respect.

 

[stone-cold11]

It could be the cause of the problem from what kris describe. AGS0 is given to the cut grade, using ray tracing of the simulated stone, not the actual ligth performance using observation, so the lack of good optics due to inclusions, in this case contrast, cannot be detected in such a system.

The independent appraiser will be able to give a good opinion, we are just here making wild guesses.

 

[honey22]

Date: 11/16/2008 1:02:11 PM
Author: kmklos
Thanks everyone.... I will try to take some pictures and upload them. I''m not sure my camera will cooperate!


I am going to take it to an appraiser this week. I did, however, take it to a custom designer yesterday who is going to make my ring. He had a couple other ideal cut stones that I compared mine to, and there was a significant difference in the appearance/performance. Under direct light, my stone almost looks milky although the cert says it has negligible flouresence. My ring maker says that some times certain ''rough'' can appear cloudier???? I''m not sure if that is what is going on in my case or not. He cleaned it several times because he thought it was dirty but it didn''t really change the look.


My stone seems to perform better natural/low light conditions which is good since that is how I''m going to see it most of the time. I don''t see any cloudiness at all. It''s clear and bright!


I''m going to try to compare it to other stones this week. I may just be over thinking this, but I want to be sure. Something doesn''t seem quite right....

Were you comparing your stone to others of higher colour grade? Maybe it''s the colour your eyes are picking up?

But, if you are not 100% happy, exchange it now, your doubts are only likely to increase.

Good luck with your search!

 

[Fly Girl]

Date: 11/4/2008 8:23:33 PM
Author:kmklos
I would like your thoughts on this RB stone that I put on hold for my consideration:
Size: 2.27 carat
8.41*8.47*5.21
AGS 000 Ideal cut
SI2
Color: I
Depth: 61.8
Table: 55
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pav. Angle: 40.7
Girdle: thin to medium

HCA= 1.1
Price: approx. $15,000

There is picture of the stone on the James Allen website. It has a couple inclusions which I need to found out how visible they are when the stone isn''t magnified by 7x. If this link works, I''d be interested in anyone''s opinion on the stone and its inclusions. The cert indicates that the SI2 rating is based on clouds not shown. I''m somewhat concerned by that but don''t know if I should be.
Link to diamond

I have ordered an idealscope and will post it once I get it.

Does this stone have potential? Thanks for the advice.

From what you are describing, I would definitely pass on this stone. It got that SI2 rating due to clouds, and now you can see why. The diamond is never going to look clean. Trust your instincts here....

 

[hlmr]

Date: 11/16/2008 5:12:48 PM
Author: Fly Girl

Date: 11/4/2008 8:23:33 PM
Author:kmklos
I would like your thoughts on this RB stone that I put on hold for my consideration:
Size: 2.27 carat
8.41*8.47*5.21
AGS 000 Ideal cut
SI2
Color: I
Depth: 61.8
Table: 55
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pav. Angle: 40.7
Girdle: thin to medium

HCA= 1.1
Price: approx. $15,000

There is picture of the stone on the James Allen website. It has a couple inclusions which I need to found out how visible they are when the stone isn''t magnified by 7x. If this link works, I''d be interested in anyone''s opinion on the stone and its inclusions. The cert indicates that the SI2 rating is based on clouds not shown. I''m somewhat concerned by that but don''t know if I should be.
Link to diamond

I have ordered an idealscope and will post it once I get it.

Does this stone have potential? Thanks for the advice.

From what you are describing, I would definitely pass on this stone. It got that SI2 rating due to clouds, and now you can see why. The diamond is never going to look clean. Trust your instincts here....

I passed on this very stone because in this case, the clouds really do make it cloudy. There are better SI2''s out there, and you should look until you find one that you will be happy with, right from the start.