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Opinions on my pick. 2.5 carats
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I''m not too sure what your replies mean. What is HCA = 4.6?
It is a GIA stone.
My uncle knows diamonds pretty well. I''m pretty sure he wont mess around with me when it comes to the stats. He''s known me since birth and is very close to me, not close as to where he''d lose money though.
He did say it''s an I SI1. ????????
Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?
John
It is a GIA stone.
My uncle knows diamonds pretty well. I''m pretty sure he wont mess around with me when it comes to the stats. He''s known me since birth and is very close to me, not close as to where he''d lose money though.
He did say it''s an I SI1. ????????Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?
John
John:
This is a fine stone not a great stone. A GIA cert is a nice thing to have but is somewhat meaningless: it doesnt mean the stone is good or bad, it doesnt rank it--it just gives you stats that are in fact incomplete.
that your uncle knows diamonds is also irrelevant. if so then he knows that this is a big looking stone that is a good price for you but in the scheme of things will look smaller than a very well cut diamond of the same CARAT weight and possibly have less light return, sparkle etc. This may be a lovely stone but its not necessarily a "good" buy. dpends on whether you care abot cut quality etc. i think you might as you are asking here but you seem insistent that your uncle is selling you a great stone at a great price.
This is a fine stone not a great stone. A GIA cert is a nice thing to have but is somewhat meaningless: it doesnt mean the stone is good or bad, it doesnt rank it--it just gives you stats that are in fact incomplete.
that your uncle knows diamonds is also irrelevant. if so then he knows that this is a big looking stone that is a good price for you but in the scheme of things will look smaller than a very well cut diamond of the same CARAT weight and possibly have less light return, sparkle etc. This may be a lovely stone but its not necessarily a "good" buy. dpends on whether you care abot cut quality etc. i think you might as you are asking here but you seem insistent that your uncle is selling you a great stone at a great price.
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I'm a little confused as to why people would be so nasty and jaded about this purchase. Exactly what are you (and by you, I mean the peanut gallery) afraid of? Is it that you are vendors on this forum and you are afraid that John is not really a legitimate poster and some new vendor posing as "john" trying to lure people to buy from him? Say he is just some guy who went to his uncle and got a good deal...why exactly would you try to make him doubt his own flesh and blood? Do you want to make him feel insecure and come buy from you? I just don't quite get YOUR motives.
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Date: 8/26/2008 6:04:34 PM
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It is a GIA stone.
My uncle knows diamonds pretty well. I''m pretty sure he wont mess around with me when it comes to the stats. He''s known me since birth and is very close to me, not close as to where he''d lose money though.
Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?
Have you not answered your own question above, in saying you trust your Uncle? Yet you seem to be full of doubt--how can we best help you?
John
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In the OP he asked about what we thought of the stone and if it's a good deal. So people commented...it's a good cut stone, not great, and he seems to have received a pretty good price. All in all, not a bad deal, but it depends what you're looking for. I mean, look at the title of the post. "Opinions on my pick." That's exactly what he received....opinions.
Because it is not a reasonable price for a good quality GIA diamond of that size, color and clarity. (Provided his uncle did not get it in trade or estate sale) It is not at cost. It is not alittle below cost. It is waaay below cost. So either it is not the diamond it appears or his uncle is a very generous person. I hope it is the latter and wish him all the best.
I do not think any vendor or poster is intentionally being nasty or jaded but they know what a reasonable price is for good quality diamonds plain and simple.
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His uncle owns the store. It probably was traded in. There are 1000''s of women trading in their stones on a daily basis...people get divorced or in finanical trouble. It happens. Heck, I have been to pawn shops where they said that they have numbers in NY to sell the bigger diamonds when they come in. Diamonds do not just come from one source.
You said that the stone should cost $28000.00...well even if you assume that triple keystone is a thing of the past, there has to be markup in the industry. Maybe there are SOME jewelers who would not take advantage of the situation and would actually give their nephew a deal.
You said that the stone should cost $28000.00...well even if you assume that triple keystone is a thing of the past, there has to be markup in the industry. Maybe there are SOME jewelers who would not take advantage of the situation and would actually give their nephew a deal.
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can you post the GIA report?Date: 8/26/2008 6:04:34 PM
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I''m not too sure what your replies mean. What is HCA = 4.6?
It is a GIA stone.
My uncle knows diamonds pretty well. I''m pretty sure he wont mess around with me when it comes to the stats. He''s known me since birth and is very close to me, not close as to where he''d lose money though.
Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?
John
not close as to where he''d lose money though.
that means he bought the stone for less than $10K
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I have to second this statement. The #s you listed are EGL's type of #s - do you have the actual report itself (I mean physically have you seen it with your own eyes (not just your uncle telling you, but truly seen it yourself) and did it say GIA or EGL at the top?) If you have a GIA report it should list angles for you. These are also more accurate for the HCA. If this stone has an EGL report that may help to explain for you why ithe cost is lower than you were expecting.
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http://www.gia.edu/research/29324/diamond_cut_faq.cfm#results2
John,
Don''t listen to the nay-sayers. Do your research. If the diamond looks good and you like the price, then I would trust your uncle. I am not sure what these people are implying. I think they are implying that your uncle is ignorant or a liar.
The uncle may not be losing money, but he may not be making any on it either. If I owned a jewelry store, I would do the same for a family member. I guess this is a foreign concept to some jewelers. Jewelers get diamonds from all sorts of places.
It is not impossible that he would have this stone for that price.
John,
Don''t listen to the nay-sayers. Do your research. If the diamond looks good and you like the price, then I would trust your uncle. I am not sure what these people are implying. I think they are implying that your uncle is ignorant or a liar.
The uncle may not be losing money, but he may not be making any on it either. If I owned a jewelry store, I would do the same for a family member. I guess this is a foreign concept to some jewelers. Jewelers get diamonds from all sorts of places.
It is not impossible that he would have this stone for that price.
I dont'' want to gang up on you, just give you my honest opinion
It''s not about the girl not reading the numbers or seeing things only with a microscope, the cut is what makes the stone sparkle and look amazing - she doesn''t have to read the cert for this, a poorly cut stone won''t sparkle like it should full stop. You can see this with your bare eyes.
That said, it''s doesn''t seem to be a terrible stone, it will be nice yes, but I would much rather a tad smaller sparkly little ball of fire and light on my hand that a larger not so sparkly stone. An ideal cut stone will look better and bigger as is will have excellent light return right to the edges of the stone.
It''s totally up to you, if you are going for size and you are happy with it, go for it. But I would suggest you ask your uncle to bring in or at least show you some AGS Ideal cut stones so you know what you can have if you chose to go for a better cut. He is obviously giving you an amazing price, so I would at least ask the question if he could do a good deal on a better cut stone first. This is a once in a lifetime purchase, you really want to get the best you can, and IMHO that doesn''t necessarily mean the biggest.
Good luck!
This may be true but I find it disturbing that John apparently has no knowledge of the quality of this stone nor is his Uncle apparently providing any. We all know a few facts: 1)this stone seems absurdly (unbelievably) cheap 2)its a decently cut stone but not one that most pricescopers would chose given better choices3) John seems to trust his Uncle with very little of his own knowledge about the stone or how it compares to others.
No one is saying the Uncle is a cheat or dishonest but this is a forum where high standards for transparency, for cut quality, price and being fully informed is the name of the game. I think we are all saying "John--buyer beware." We have heard many terrible and diappointing stories of people getting great deals from "family jewelers", "family friends" and the like, so naturally we are skeptical. He asked, we answered.
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Futuremrs - my response is at the poster''s request. The poster is trying to figure out why he got such a low price. We are trying to help him figure this out.
As in his recent statement at 6:04 pm tonight "Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?"
The questions that have been posed have been posed because some of his statements have not been clear, and could easily offer a plausible explanation (say if his uncle is a GG hence the ''gia approved'' statement, and the report was done by EGL Israel). You have also tried to come up with an explanation that the stone was traded in which ALSO is an unknown at this time. Also unknown is the possible clarity enhancement brought up previously which the poster can inquire about if he wishes. The poster said his uncle would NOT take a loss on the stone for him so we are coming up with possible explanations that could result in an initially low price being paid for the stone. His uncle could have known what he was looking for and gotten an EGL Israel stone graded more like a GIA stone.
As in his recent statement at 6:04 pm tonight "Thanks so much for the input. I really appreciate it. The more the better. Any other questions about the rock to determine how he gave it to me for so cheap?"
The questions that have been posed have been posed because some of his statements have not been clear, and could easily offer a plausible explanation (say if his uncle is a GG hence the ''gia approved'' statement, and the report was done by EGL Israel). You have also tried to come up with an explanation that the stone was traded in which ALSO is an unknown at this time. Also unknown is the possible clarity enhancement brought up previously which the poster can inquire about if he wishes. The poster said his uncle would NOT take a loss on the stone for him so we are coming up with possible explanations that could result in an initially low price being paid for the stone. His uncle could have known what he was looking for and gotten an EGL Israel stone graded more like a GIA stone.
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not if its an older GIA report.Date: 8/26/2008 10:12:06 PM
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I have to second this statement. The #s you listed are EGL''s type of #s - do you have the actual report itself (I mean physically have you seen it with your own eyes (not just your uncle telling you, but truly seen it yourself) and did it say GIA or EGL at the top?) If you have a GIA report it should list angles for you. These are also more accurate for the HCA. If this stone has an EGL report that may help to explain for you why ithe cost is lower than you were expecting.
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Ditto - EGL use percents for crown and pavilion measurements, GIA use angles, John can you recheck the type of report which comes with this diamond please? An EGL report could be part of the reason for the price.Date: 8/26/2008 10:12:06 PM
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I have to second this statement. The #s you listed are EGL's type of #s - do you have the actual report itself (I mean physically have you seen it with your own eyes (not just your uncle telling you, but truly seen it yourself) and did it say GIA or EGL at the top?) If you have a GIA report it should list angles for you. These are also more accurate for the HCA. If this stone has an EGL report that may help to explain for you why ithe cost is lower than you were expecting.
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You could very well be correct - but I imagine, the mbrs of this forum are posting in light of what they have seen with a "friend of the family" deal in the past - more often than not, can result in heartbreak.
Pls just search on that phrase through the threads from the past.
I also don''t think it is helpful for new mbrs/lurkers etc to read PS''ers accusing each other of having ulterior motives - this is exactly the sort of thing that people expect and could scare them away from asking for help.
Like I said, perhaps you are right, I just wanted to put the other POV out there.
Pls note, I have not commented and don''t have an opinion either way on the OP''s uncle, but I will defer to the advice that has been given on the acutal stone.
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I read this as he was excited and pleased with his deal. I understand the whole cut thing, I just don''t think this is a bad deal. He said it has at least a "very good" on the cut and symmetry. For the money this is NOT impossible. I understand that reports may not match up...but if the report was written in the US (even from EGL) there is a good chance that the stone looks good. Haven''t there been actual studies where the public did not pick the hearts and arrows over the other stones? It is not like it got a "fair" rating.
Read back through all of the posts and tell me how it is not making you doubt the Uncle. I am with Beau13...deals happen every now and then.
Yeah, I understand that SOME PS end up down grading in size for a smaller "better" stone. On the flip side I have seen the aftermath of your work convincing the dude that he needs some ideal .5 ct and her standing there disapointed saying "It''s supposed to be like a perfect stone??? I can always upgrade." I think for the money you would have him get some 1.2 ideal stone and there is nothing wrong with the one he is getting.
John, if it looks good and you think she would like the larger diamond go for it.
I mean look at the Hope Diamond...not exactly the perfect cut by todays standards. Would I take it? Would I get it recut? HAIL NO!
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If when you say "your work" you are referring to myself, I don''t know how you have reached this conclusion.
Not since I have been on PS has anybody purchased a stone I suggested to them, let alone one they/their girl were not happy with.
I''m not sure if you were talking to me?
If you are referring to other PS''ers at large who routinely assist guys with no idea what they are getting into to learn about their purchase and get the best buy for their money, I also think this is an unfair assessment. I have never seen somebody talked into a purchase of an ideal stone if they were not interested in the concept? I though what we did was find out the buyers'' needs and preferences, than advise them on stones in their budget?
anyway, if you please read my post I never said there is anything wrong with buying a bigger stone over a smaller h&A one, and neither did anyone else?
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Johnn, congrats on your upcoming engagement. I know is all that you want is a ring that will bowl your fiance off her feet, and this stone and setting sounds like what you think she will like. As others have posted on here, it sounds like you are getting a very good deal on the stone, if the specs you posted are correct.
As you are spending quite a bit of money on the stone, I would suggest that you get an independent appraisal for the stone and setting and use that for insurance reasons. Stones are more easily appraised out of setting than in, so that is something you might want to consider. No matter how attached you are to the stone it is important to know exactly what you are getting and whether you paid a fair price. That eliminates any confusion within you, whether you got a fantastic price and can tell your uncle he doesn''t need to give you a wedding gift
, or that you actually ended up paying only a fair market price.
We at pricescope can kind of worship at the altar of cut quality, because we feel it does make the most difference in the overall appearance in the life of a diamond. However everyone''s priorities can be different. If this diamond is what is says it is, and you fiance prefers carat over other parameters being equal, this will make her very happy.
Good luck!
As you are spending quite a bit of money on the stone, I would suggest that you get an independent appraisal for the stone and setting and use that for insurance reasons. Stones are more easily appraised out of setting than in, so that is something you might want to consider. No matter how attached you are to the stone it is important to know exactly what you are getting and whether you paid a fair price. That eliminates any confusion within you, whether you got a fantastic price and can tell your uncle he doesn''t need to give you a wedding gift
We at pricescope can kind of worship at the altar of cut quality, because we feel it does make the most difference in the overall appearance in the life of a diamond. However everyone''s priorities can be different. If this diamond is what is says it is, and you fiance prefers carat over other parameters being equal, this will make her very happy.
Good luck!
Guys, thanks sooo much for the posts. You have NO idea how much I appreicate your point of view''s, being good or bad! Either way, it''s good to hear all angles.
I ahve to say I''m terribly sorry. This stone IS in fact an EGL stone. I mixxed it up with another 2.5 carat G SI1 stone which WAS GIA my uncle was going to give me for $15K with the same setting. The reason I went down to the I color, now knowing it''s EGL stone, is to lower the price by $1200. I personally looked at the 2 stones, side by side, for a long time and I could never tell them apart. My uncle can though. I doubt my soon to be fiance or her friends and family would ever know anything. It does sparkle up a storm. I dont think anyone will know anything. I also obviously know I can get a better quality stone which would be smaller, but girls do love size.
I do not have the spec report in my hands, but I''m sure it''ll be ready for me to take when I pick up the ring in about 10 days or so. I just called my uncle now, and he said the rubber mold for the ring is going to be ready Tuesday. He is custom making the setting for me, becasue he has never seen anything like it. He loves the idea soo much, he is going to cast 5 more just like what I wanted. He also said, he has NEVER sold a setting to someone who wanted it so detailed. I told him exactly how I wanted it, in almost every shape way and form. Now I just have to measure her finger in her sleep. LOL.
Thanks so much for the replies, and there''s no way I''m some type of forum sponser trying to steal buisisness from other sponsers. My real name is John and I know next to nothing about diamonds. I will definetly post up the EGL report when I get it though!!! Thanks so much.
I ahve to say I''m terribly sorry. This stone IS in fact an EGL stone. I mixxed it up with another 2.5 carat G SI1 stone which WAS GIA my uncle was going to give me for $15K with the same setting. The reason I went down to the I color, now knowing it''s EGL stone, is to lower the price by $1200. I personally looked at the 2 stones, side by side, for a long time and I could never tell them apart. My uncle can though. I doubt my soon to be fiance or her friends and family would ever know anything. It does sparkle up a storm. I dont think anyone will know anything. I also obviously know I can get a better quality stone which would be smaller, but girls do love size.
I do not have the spec report in my hands, but I''m sure it''ll be ready for me to take when I pick up the ring in about 10 days or so. I just called my uncle now, and he said the rubber mold for the ring is going to be ready Tuesday. He is custom making the setting for me, becasue he has never seen anything like it. He loves the idea soo much, he is going to cast 5 more just like what I wanted. He also said, he has NEVER sold a setting to someone who wanted it so detailed. I told him exactly how I wanted it, in almost every shape way and form. Now I just have to measure her finger in her sleep. LOL.
Thanks so much for the replies, and there''s no way I''m some type of forum sponser trying to steal buisisness from other sponsers. My real name is John and I know next to nothing about diamonds. I will definetly post up the EGL report when I get it though!!! Thanks so much.
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nahhh,no way...something smells fishy....you should of bought the GIA stone.Date: 8/30/2008 11:54:31 AM
Author: johnn
Guys, thanks sooo much for the posts. You have NO idea how much I appreicate your point of view''s, being good or bad! Either way, it''s good to hear all angles.
I ahve to say I''m terribly sorry. This stone IS in fact an EGL stone. I mixxed it up with another 2.5 carat G SI1 stone which WAS GIA my uncle was going to give me for $15K with the same setting. The reason I went down to the I color, now knowing it''s EGL stone, is to lower the price by $1200. I personally looked at the 2 stones, side by side, for a long time and I could never tell them apart. My uncle can though. I doubt my soon to be fiance or her friends and family would ever know anything. It does sparkle up a storm. I dont think anyone will know anything. I also obviously know I can get a better quality stone which would be smaller, but girls do love size.
wish i can buy a stone like that for $15K .a well cut 2.5 ct G SI1 stone with GIA report should be more like in the $30k range w/o the setting.
Futuremrs - I have to say your tone came across a little condescening when you said ''you work'' etc. It''s almost like you are implying we are leading people astray with our advice. I have to point out that the majority of PS members are extrememly picking about cut, and I am sure that if you took a poll the majority of members would take an ideal cut stone over a smaller less well cut stone. I do believe you are in the minority when you would pick a size over cut quality. People come here for advice on how to get a gorgeous diamond, we tell them honestly, if you want it to sparkle and look fantastic, then cut is king. I honestly don''t believe many people would say, nup, I want a dead lifeless one as long as it''s big.Date: 8/28/2008 2:08:21 AM
Author: arjunajane
If when you say ''your work'' you are referring to myself, I don''t know how you have reached this conclusion.
Not since I have been on PS has anybody purchased a stone I suggested to them, let alone one they/their girl were not happy with.
I''m not sure if you were talking to me?
If you are referring to other PS''ers at large who routinely assist guys with no idea what they are getting into to learn about their purchase and get the best buy for their money, I also think this is an unfair assessment. I have never seen somebody talked into a purchase of an ideal stone if they were not interested in the concept? I though what we did was find out the buyers'' needs and preferences, than advise them on stones in their budget?
anyway, if you please read my post I never said there is anything wrong with buying a bigger stone over a smaller h&A one, and neither did anyone else?In any case, I am really confused by your answer.
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