opinions about size vs. cut
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Mara
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let us know what you find out about the stone coda posted, tlow. i think that would be a wonderful stone for around $10k.
most of us here started out with one budget and then after educating ourselves somehow the # magically just kept going up!! if you can afford it and your girl wants a 1.5, then go for it. i don''t think of it as ''demanding'' as much as it sounds like she is just thinking ''wow a 1.5c would be great'' and of course you adore her so you want to make her happy. nothing wrong with that. i''m sure if the tables were turned she''d want to do the same for you.
good luck!!
most of us here started out with one budget and then after educating ourselves somehow the # magically just kept going up!! if you can afford it and your girl wants a 1.5, then go for it. i don''t think of it as ''demanding'' as much as it sounds like she is just thinking ''wow a 1.5c would be great'' and of course you adore her so you want to make her happy. nothing wrong with that. i''m sure if the tables were turned she''d want to do the same for you.
good luck!!
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Dan, to be brutally honest this is a diamond forum and we are here to give advice about diamonds. Our job is to help him pick a great stone within the parameters of what he is looking for. He is looking for a 1.5 carat diamond and we are here to help him find it. His relationship is irrelevant to the discussion. If he wanted advice about his relationship he would have asked for it.
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Tlow, have you checked out any other online vendors? Like possibly www.jamesallen.com or www.goodoldgold.com ? Like everyone already said that first stone looks really nice though. No point in stressing yourself out looking at other places if you already really like that one. Unless of course you just want to be able to do some comparison shopping.
kcoursolle, to be brutally honest, tlow did not state simply that he is looking for a 1.5 ct. diamond. He said he is trying to decide between 1.3 and 1.5 and would like to stay under 10K but will go over if necessary. He also states that he only wants a 1.5 because that is what his girlfriend wants. Yet his girlfriend has no basis for wanting a 1.5 other than to tell people it is a 1.5.
Therefore, his girlfriend''s motivation for wanting a 1.5 is material to tlow''s decision on whether to dip below a 1.5 in his search. I think tlow could get the best diamond for his money if he explained to his girlfriend that no one would be able to tell a 1.3 from a 1.5.
Therefore, his girlfriend''s motivation for wanting a 1.5 is material to tlow''s decision on whether to dip below a 1.5 in his search. I think tlow could get the best diamond for his money if he explained to his girlfriend that no one would be able to tell a 1.3 from a 1.5.
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tlow,
what type of setting does your gal want? Pearlmans has this 1.5 AGS0 H VS2 on consignment in a gorgeous Michael b setting for 15K. don''t know if you budget included the setting or not but the setting alone retails for almost 8k.
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tem: 061PO1 - A perfect condition Michael B 3 sided pave ring set with a 1.50ct diamond. The diamond is a AGS000 VS2 H ideal cut. Cert included. The ring is set with 100 diamonds weighing 1.31ct of E_F VVS quality diamonds. Proceeds will be given to the customers Church. Size 5 3/4
Price: $15,000.00
what type of setting does your gal want? Pearlmans has this 1.5 AGS0 H VS2 on consignment in a gorgeous Michael b setting for 15K. don''t know if you budget included the setting or not but the setting alone retails for almost 8k.
link to ring
tem: 061PO1 - A perfect condition Michael B 3 sided pave ring set with a 1.50ct diamond. The diamond is a AGS000 VS2 H ideal cut. Cert included. The ring is set with 100 diamonds weighing 1.31ct of E_F VVS quality diamonds. Proceeds will be given to the customers Church. Size 5 3/4
Price: $15,000.00
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What a find mrss!!!!Date: 9/18/2006 5:08:12 PM
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tlow,
what type of setting does your gal want? Pearlmans has this 1.5 AGS0 H VS2 on consignment in a gorgeous Michael b setting for 15K. don''t know if you budget included the setting or not but the setting alone retails for almost 8k.
link to ring
tem: 061PO1 - A perfect condition Michael B 3 sided pave ring set with a 1.50ct diamond. The diamond is a AGS000 VS2 H ideal cut. Cert included. The ring is set with 100 diamonds weighing 1.31ct of E_F VVS quality diamonds. Proceeds will be given to the customers Church. Size 5 3/4
Price: $15,000.00
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Mrss!!! I think he WAS looking at this setting!Date: 9/18/2006 5:08:12 PM
Author: mrssalvo
tlow,
what type of setting does your gal want? Pearlmans has this 1.5 AGS0 H VS2 on consignment in a gorgeous Michael b setting for 15K. don''t know if you budget included the setting or not but the setting alone retails for almost 8k.
link to ring
tem: 061PO1 - A perfect condition Michael B 3 sided pave ring set with a 1.50ct diamond. The diamond is a AGS000 VS2 H ideal cut. Cert included. The ring is set with 100 diamonds weighing 1.31ct of E_F VVS quality diamonds. Proceeds will be given to the customers Church. Size 5 3/4
Price: $15,000.00
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Please don''t make assumptions about me or use me to make a point I am not a part of.
Life and marriage is about all sorts of arbitrary numbers and lines in the sand, some reached together, some stubbornly held. If you think a woman can''t look starry eyed at her beau and tell her the TRUTH about her cinderella dreams of a star on her finger and how BIG that star is, well then you''ll choose a woman who will accomodate that. Other men want to see the hearts in their love''s eyes and GIVE them their cinderella dreams and it has NOTHING to do with being raked over coals to get more out of her guy. If she wants 1.5 carats and doesn''t care about cut or clarity = GIVE her that and let her figure out later that she needs an upgrade and where she''d want that.
some women care that they have a crisp white D stone. they don''t care about inclusions or size. Some women care that they have a super flawless gem of whatever size and color. Others want a honker but don''t care about color or clarity. Most here care about cut, but even at the TOP of the list, it still has to be balanced with the other Cs to find the right stone.
OP - I would ask your soon to be fiance what ORDER she has her preferences in... cut, color, clarity, carat. Maybe even bring her here and do it together. Many women who have picked out, essentially, their own stones have been surprised with the proposal still.
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ITA. I blew my un-discussed budget out of the water and I can assure you my husband still loves me and doesn''t resent me for it LOL He thinks I''m beyond silly but every time he sees me gazing in a goofy trance at that rock I know he thinks it was worth every penny
I''m sorry honey but I went into this thinking I wanted a diamond for my finger and THEN I realized how freaking *cool* NICE diamonds are! They have so many tricks!! These are not the cloudy chips of my youth!you know what tlow? blow your budget and blow her mind
hehehe<~ spending other people''s money hehehehehe
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Date: 9/18/2006 5:57:21 PM
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Wow. You have taken this guy who initially wanted to spend $7000 max and now are encouraging him to spend more than double that amount.
i never saw the post with the 7K number. this thread starts with 10K. depending on what setting she wants, the stone in that setting could be 10K. That's why I asked about the setting, if he's up to 11 or 12K for the stone, a setting can easily cost 2-3K. bringing the total to around 15K. that is and incredible deal for that stone and setting. It's a suggestion, nothing more nothing less, he can take or leave it, people do it here all the time...
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Dan,
You are getting to the point where your advice is really not welcome. Everywhere I have stated it is my decision to up the budget, not yours to tell me to spend less. Secondly, as numerous other people have stated, for any number of reasons ones budget goes up throughout the ring process. And lastly, again as people have stated, my girlfriend chooses size over everything else so I (who values cut, clarity, and color) has to respect that. It is that simple. Please let''s not spend anymore time on this. It is getting to the point of wasting everyone''s time.
By the way, that setting is awesome! I would definetly think about that one, however, we went ring shopping again she really wants a halo setting. I have been working with the guys at Quest to get an idea of what to make. Been very happy so far with their service.
You are getting to the point where your advice is really not welcome. Everywhere I have stated it is my decision to up the budget, not yours to tell me to spend less. Secondly, as numerous other people have stated, for any number of reasons ones budget goes up throughout the ring process. And lastly, again as people have stated, my girlfriend chooses size over everything else so I (who values cut, clarity, and color) has to respect that. It is that simple. Please let''s not spend anymore time on this. It is getting to the point of wasting everyone''s time.
By the way, that setting is awesome! I would definetly think about that one, however, we went ring shopping again she really wants a halo setting. I have been working with the guys at Quest to get an idea of what to make. Been very happy so far with their service.
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Hi,
I see there are two constraints that you want to meet. 1) The budget is under $10k 2) Your girl friend wants a 1.5 carat. Regardless of what you or others believe is the most important factor, stay within the criteria of what your future wife wants. If it is 1.5 cts that she desires, then that is what you should give her. Don''t try to 2nd guess her and take her joy away by explaining to her that no one can tell the difference between 1.3 ct and 1.5 ct. Also, what is the point of setting up a budget if it is to be broken? There are other important items to pursue in life especially now you are going to start a new family, the budget helps one to stay within the limit instead of blowing the money away on a diamond ring.
There are 4 Cs in the diamond; cut, color, clarity, carat. People tend to put different weights on each factor. Some think carat is the most important and some prefer cut. I believe just like everything else in life, one should try to strike a balance and moderation for each factor is required. Personally I wouldn''t go down on a I1; pique stones will have a problem in resale.The first thing that everyone is going to notice is the size, then the sparkle. I have two white diamonds that were given to me: the first one is a 1.0 carat, D color IF , Ideal cut, given to me by my mother in law on our wedding. The second one I inherited from my mom: it is a 1.8 carat, K color, SI2, ok cut diamond. I''ve never gotten any compliments on the smaller 1.0 ct even though I think it is gorgeous and really sparkles. On the other hand, a lot more people notice my 1.8 carat and complimented on it. Honestly, even though you might have to sacrifice somewhat in cut, if you stay within the very good to excellent range, I doubt if any of her friends will really notice that the diamond sparkles less. Sometime, everything is just a mind game. It is claimed that no one can tell the difference between a D and a H, or between a 1.3 ct and 1.5 ct, or a IF and I1. Following the same logic, I wonder if anyone can tell a AGS000 from a GIA excellent or very good.
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tlow,
here are a couple of more diamonds for you to consider:
One is a 1.4 G, SI2 - www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2130/
And another one 1.54 I, SI1 with medium blue fluorescence, so it will face up like an H or a G - www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1836/
Hope this helps!
here are a couple of more diamonds for you to consider:
One is a 1.4 G, SI2 - www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2130/
And another one 1.54 I, SI1 with medium blue fluorescence, so it will face up like an H or a G - www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/1836/
Hope this helps!
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Dan, Tlow's not wasting our time... you are... now leave the poor man alone!
Tlow: here's another stone for you at James Allen...
1.51 G SI1: HCA score = 1.0. $11191
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamond.asp?cid=131&item=937922
ETA: another stone at Whiteflash?
1.51, H SI1: HCA score = 1.7, $10,042
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2480936.htm
best of luck : )
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tlow, I salute you for wanting to make your fiance happy! An e-ring is something most of us intend to wear for a lifetime. If she gets a size she likes now, she is less likely to ever want to upgrade the stone (we''ll keep our fingers crossed on that one
But I do remember now that you were the one looking for the halo. There was another guy from our state looking for a Michael B.
But I do remember now that you were the one looking for the halo. There was another guy from our state looking for a Michael B.
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Quest does a great job. I have purchased from them myself. here's one from WF that might fit the bill if it's eyeclean..
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2480936.htm#
another that might be worth a look..
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-821291.htm#
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In other words, he''d be better off doing EXACTLY what you did. Well .. seems HE doesn''t see things that way, thankfully (IMO)!
You''re making the huge assumption that the only reason she wants a 1.5 ct diamond is to "tell other people". Fact? Nope.
You''re also making the assumption that wanting a 1.5 diamond is "unreasonable". What about wanting a .80, a 1 carat, a three carat? Who decides what is "reasonable" except the PURCHASER HIMSELF.
So ... you wanted "score" the look of a 1.5 diamond FOR LESS DOUGH. That''s your right. If your fiance is happy, great. If you''re happy, great. But to think that you''ve now got the magic solution for "maximum value" ....???? Um. No. (IMO)
You def. can''t analyze someone''s whole relationship based on a bunch of assumptions & personal vested interest in defending your point (or else begin to think perhaps YOU''VE made the wrong choice, or have "cheated" YOUR fiance from what she *REALLY* wanted ... secretly or not so secretly).
Feel free to drop back by for more choice advice when "upgrade talk" comes up ''round your place!
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I'm bracing for my flogging...but I WOULD sacrifice cut....a LITTLE bit!!! I'm not saying buy a piece of coal, but I'm of the opinion that most people won't notice the difference between a perfect H&A AGS 0000000000000000000 and a nice ideal stone with nice arrows....That's just me! And your GF seems to want a particular size and if she's willing to sacrifice a little cut, or a little color while apparently still respecting your budget, well, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that...
My MIL just went out and purchased from a "flea market" (a guy I know and trust and have used in the past) and got 2.14 tcw H clear Si2 studs for $5300. The cut is probably "ok" at best but boy, if the ladies aren't green with envy. I, personally, would be a bit more demanding for studs, and ESPACIALLY for an e-ring... But I like a nice size and good color (no lower than G)...so yes, I'm willing to buy an "almost" H&A...But not a piece of poop!
My ultimate opinion, is to pick a budget and then a good vendor and tell them what the diamond proiorities are and let them help you look...Best of luck!
My MIL just went out and purchased from a "flea market" (a guy I know and trust and have used in the past) and got 2.14 tcw H clear Si2 studs for $5300. The cut is probably "ok" at best but boy, if the ladies aren't green with envy. I, personally, would be a bit more demanding for studs, and ESPACIALLY for an e-ring... But I like a nice size and good color (no lower than G)...so yes, I'm willing to buy an "almost" H&A...But not a piece of poop!
My ultimate opinion, is to pick a budget and then a good vendor and tell them what the diamond proiorities are and let them help you look...Best of luck!
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Your already getting all sorts of helpful hints so theres not too much to add. I''m a big fan on the halo and I think it''ll look great. Just out of curiosity what kind of halo does she want? Like a round with a round halo? Or some ladies on here have gone for a round center stone in a different shape halo.
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