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I have been looking a while for an engagement ring, and have decided I want a channel set, six-prong ring, with a .7-.8 ct round diamond. I want the diamond to be ideal cut and nice white color. The thing Im willing to sacrifice on is the clarity. As long as the diamond is eyeclean, I could care less what it looks like under a loupe. I mean how many times am I going to be looking at the diamond under a 10x magnifying glass? Im even willing to have an inclusion that is visible that will be covered up by the prongs. So, I have looked at both of these diamonds and want yalls opinion.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245418.asp

This one is the smaller of the two, but according to the HCA would be the best performing. It has a couple of inclusions but it looks like they could be covered up by the prongs.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1266607.asp

This one I like because the diameter, I think makes it appear larger. I dont like the inclusion right in the center, but I dont know if youll be able to see that or not. This got, I think, a 2 on the HCA.

Tell me what yall think. I dont want to spend over 3000 for everything, so it seems my best bet would be to get an SI2 that is eyeclean. Thanks so much!
 
both look promising. Have you check if they are eye-clean and request all the images up.

From the numbers, I would prefer the 0.75c if eye-clean and the IS checks out.
 
Both diamonds have potential. Contact JA on the second and get the IS image. The diameter difference is so close that you won't tell a difference in size.

As long as the diamond scores 2 or under on the HCA it is a pass pending further evaluation--remember that the HCA is a rejection tool, not a selection tool. It is trying to predict the peformance based on averages of only 16 facets. For selection, use the IS images to have a better idea of actual performance.

You will need to have one of the gemologists at JA evaluate the diamonds for eye-clean &/or if inclusions can be pronged.
 
Date: 1/18/2010 11:22:31 AM
Author:ridlejs
I have been looking a while for an engagement ring, and have decided I want a channel set, six-prong ring, with a .7-.8 ct round diamond. I want the diamond to be ideal cut and nice white color. The thing Im willing to sacrifice on is the clarity. As long as the diamond is eyeclean, I could care less what it looks like under a loupe. I mean how many times am I going to be looking at the diamond under a 10x magnifying glass? Im even willing to have an inclusion that is visible that will be covered up by the prongs. So, I have looked at both of these diamonds and want yalls opinion.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245418.asp

This one is the smaller of the two, but according to the HCA would be the best performing. It has a couple of inclusions but it looks like they could be covered up by the prongs.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1266607.asp

This one I like because the diameter, I think makes it appear larger. I dont like the inclusion right in the center, but I dont know if youll be able to see that or not. This got, I think, a 2 on the HCA.

Tell me what yall think. I dont want to spend over 3000 for everything, so it seems my best bet would be to get an SI2 that is eyeclean. Thanks so much!
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Hi ridlejs,

Both have potential but not all the images are loaded yet so you would need to request those. The first diamond might favour fire or coloured light more than the second due to the smaller table and steeper crown angle.

A couple of things, both have cavities as inclusions, you would need to check these aren't a potential durability issue by asking one of the James Allen gemologists to inspect the diamonds. Also the second has grade making clouds noted on the clarity plot, you will also need to check these aren't impacting performance, again a gemologist can help you. As usual with SI clarities you will need to confirm either of these are eyeclean to your standards.

If you can get more info on these plus post all the images, then we can go from there.
 
Thanks, I have emailed them what yall have suggested I ask them. Will get back with some more answers. Thank yall so much! This website is so helpful!
 
Date: 1/18/2010 12:16:12 PM
Author: ridlejs
Thanks, I have emailed them what yall have suggested I ask them. Will get back with some more answers. Thank yall so much! This website is so helpful!
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So glad you find us helpful! Post the images and other info when you have it then we will do what we can to help.
 
Let me throw one more in the mix. Slightly smaller but I probably wouldn''t be able to tell a difference. The hca came out to 1.4 but I can''t view the idealscope because I''m on my phone. Guess the only question is the color, would I be able to tell a difference?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1275713.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
 
Looks good to me.
 
Date: 1/18/2010 2:57:11 PM
Author: ridlejs
Let me throw one more in the mix. Slightly smaller but I probably wouldn't be able to tell a difference. The hca came out to 1.4 but I can't view the idealscope because I'm on my phone. Guess the only question is the color, would I be able to tell a difference?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1275713.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
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Lets take a look for you....

It looks like a very nice diamond. H colour will still be very white, maybe a softer white than the F colour but still very white.
 
Ok, I looked at the IS image of the third, and its got the lead right now for me. What do you guys think between #1 and #3? I havent received the IS for #2 yet. Will I be able to tell a difference in the color, or size of the #3rd one?
 
Size difference no, only a 0.1mm difference in diameter. Clarity, depends on if the SI2 is eye-clean or not. Color, side by side loose possible, in setting probably not depending on your sensitivity.
 
Ditto that.
 
Date: 1/18/2010 12:16:12 PM
Author: ridlejs
Thanks, I have emailed them what yall have suggested I ask them. Will get back with some more answers. Thank yall so much! This website is so helpful!
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Indeed! The good folks on this site are very helpful.


Good luck
 
Date: 1/18/2010 6:03:39 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
Size difference no, only a 0.1mm difference in diameter. Clarity, depends on if the SI2 is eye-clean or not. Color, side by side loose possible, in setting probably not depending on your sensitivity.
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Yup.
 
Im back with information on the two JA diamonds I inquired about:

The first: " The clarity is based on a cluster of inclusions located on the girdle of the diamond. These do not impose a durability issue and can be easily covered by a prong. Other than that, the diamond is considered eye-clean. There are a few clouds in and around the table, which can be seen with a loupe, but do not affect the brilliance."

Ok, here is the IS image for the second diamond (I attached it, dont know how that works): They said the diamond is 99.99% eyeclean, and " The clarity is based on a few clouds under the table and a feather running along the crown of the diamond and spilling into the girdle. The clouds do not affect the brilliance of the diamond. The feather posed the biggest visibility problem, however it will not affect the durability and can easily be hidden by a prong. "

The third already has its IS image and is a VS2 so I didnt inquire about being eyeclean, I just assumed it was.

According to this, which would yall choose?

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Let me make this a little easier:

First: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245418.asp
The clarity is based on a cluster of inclusions located on the girdle of the diamond. These do not impose a durability issue and can be easily covered by a prong. Other than that, the diamond is considered eye-clean. There are a few clouds in and around the table, which can be seen with a loupe, but do not affect the brilliance.

Second: http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1266607.asp
I had the diamond inspected by my diamond department and they felt the diamond was 99.99% eye-clean. The clarity is based on a few clouds under the table and a feather running along the crown of the diamond and spilling into the girdle. The clouds do not affect the brilliance of the diamond. The feather posed the biggest visibility problem, however it will not affect the durability and can easily be hidden by a prong.
 
All IS pics look good
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At this point it''s colour/size/cleanliness/price.
 
Come on... I cant make my mind up! Im leaning towards #3 but thats what I need yall for! I cant really tell too much of a difference with the IS, but I dont really know what to look for......
 
All three IS are good images. It really comes down to your preference of higher color/lower clarity or lower color/higher clarity. If you choose higher color, you would have to pick between two F/SI2's--of those two, I prefer #1, based on the inclusions probably being less noticeable and that it may show more fire in certain lighting situations with those proportions--that is a personal preference, not that one is better than the other.

Personally, of all of them, I would choose #3, but I am not that color sensitive, and would worry more about eye-clean, so the H would be more "mind-clean" for me. Which one will most satisfy your mind?
 
Date: 1/20/2010 5:12:04 PM
Author: ridlejs
Come on... I cant make my mind up! Im leaning towards #3 but thats what I need yall for! I cant really tell too much of a difference with the IS, but I dont really know what to look for......
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But oh, what a lovely dilemma to have!



So.. if you had all three lined up - 1, 2, 3, on a grid and you moved them round under different lights, you may notice that diamond 1 favours fire, diamond 2 returns a better balance of white light and colour - like 3. Key word - may.


My diamond has the same crown/pavilion as 1 - small table, too, and I'm in love, lust, and everything in between with it, so... I'm biased. That said - the first two are SI2s, and they're graded that way for a reason - under some lights, at some angles, from some distances, you'll see something (except maybe if they prong the main inclusion in #1, but you'll still likely see it from the pavilion...) You may want to ask your rep what he/she thinks?

I'm no help
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Well I went to Jared today to look at their Peerless and looked at a G and an H and couldnt tell the difference, so Im thinking 3 as well. Also how will these diamonds compare to their Peerless?
 
Date: 1/20/2010 5:25:26 PM
Author: ridlejs
Well I went to Jared today to look at their Peerless and looked at a G and an H and couldnt tell the difference, so Im thinking 3 as well. Also how will these diamonds compare to their Peerless?
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Probably have very similar performance.
 
Ditto, probably no difference from Jared.
 
Date: 1/20/2010 5:25:26 PM
Author: ridlejs
Well I went to Jared today to look at their Peerless and looked at a G and an H and couldnt tell the difference, so Im thinking 3 as well. Also how will these diamonds compare to their Peerless?
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The Jared diamonds should be comparable to the ones above for proportions and finish.
 
Ok everyone I think Ive made my choice!!

Here is the setting: http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/settings-with-sidestones/ring/item_412-2798_design.asp?module=setting

Here it is with 6 prong which is what I want. The stone here is .84, will there be much of a difference? http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/sold/settings-with-sidestones/1112/Diamond-Rings-With-Side-Stones.html

Here is the stone: http://www.jamesallen.com/engagement-rings/pave/?module=diamond&item=1275713

Tell me what you think?
 
Should be a beautiful ring! It will look very similar to the actual ring photo, the small size difference will not be that much--just a couple 10ths of a mm.
 
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