Opinion on this diamond vs BG H&A

[Chihuahua6]

Below is a virtual selection diamond. It's 1.85. I am debating between this and a 1.69 BG Hearts and Arrows. They are the same price. BG diamond is one color grade better but both are acceptable colors to me.

The AGS image looked really great but I don't want to post the certificate in case someone snags it before I get to decide ; ) I don't have any other image but the one on the certificate but it looks great to me. Here is the HCA:
Light Return Very Good
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 1.9 - Excellent
within TIC range
Here are the measurements:
Table 58.4
Depth 61.2
Crown angle 33.4
Pavilion angle 41.1

What would be more noticeable, the size difference or brilliance? Thanks.

 

[simon123]

Brians H&A are top quality diamonds. Also take a look at Crafted By Infinity again stunning and perfect cut diamonds.
http://www.highperformancediamonds.com/

 

[RockyRacoon]

Below is a virtual selection diamond. It's 1.85. I am debating between this and a 1.69 BG Hearts and Arrows. They are the same price. BG diamond is one color grade better but both are acceptable colors to me.

The AGS image looked really great but I don't want to post the certificate in case someone snags it before I get to decide ; ) I don't have any other image but the one on the certificate but it looks great to me. Here is the HCA:
Light Return Very Good
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 1.9 - Excellent
within TIC range
Here are the measurements:
Table 58.4
Depth 61.2
Crown angle 33.4
Pavilion angle 41.1

What would be more noticeable, the size difference or brilliance? Thanks.

Is the virtual selection stone at BG, as well?

If so, maybe they can get you a photo, or do a side-by-side comparison, so you can compare and contrast your options.

 

[Chihuahua6]

Is the virtual selection stone at BG, as well?

If so, maybe they can get you a photo, or do a side-by-side comparison, so you can compare and contrast your options.

I am trying to get photos so I can see. Do you feel the difference in size is even enough to debate the two or should I just stick with the beautiful 1.69 Brian Gavin diamond?

 

[RockyRacoon]

Is the virtual selection stone at BG, as well?

If so, maybe they can get you a photo, or do a side-by-side comparison, so you can compare and contrast your options.

I am trying to get photos so I can see. Do you feel the difference in size is even enough to debate the two or should I just stick with the beautiful 1.69 Brian Gavin diamond?

If the BG stone is reserved, why not compare the other option?

You might prefer the larger stone, or the cut, or it might be obvious the color difference is too great, but at least you would know for sure and would be able to make an informed decision.

If you would simply feel better with a BGD Signature stone, there is definitely something to be said for branded stones of that caliber, and no one would fault your decision!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Is the virtual selection stone at BG, as well?

If so, maybe they can get you a photo, or do a side-by-side comparison, so you can compare and contrast your options.

I am trying to get photos so I can see. Do you feel the difference in size is even enough to debate the two or should I just stick with the beautiful 1.69 Brian Gavin diamond?

Link?

 

[Chihuahua6]

I will compare them then thanks.

I don't want to post a link just yet because I don't want someone to grab it before I decide ; ) If I get pics I will post them.

 

[Chihuahua6]

Ok they were not able to obtain pictures of the diamond in question so all I have to go by is the AGS certificate: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.840-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-60433803 .

It seems like a very nice diamond but when comparing the HCA (see below) to the BG diamond it seems like it will have a different look. I just don't know how visible of a difference that will be and if it's worth the hassle of getting it sent in from wherever or if I should just stick with the smaller but stunning BG diamond. The only reason for choosing the virtual diamond over the BG is the size difference. I'm not sure how noticeable that will be either. I also can't tell if the virtual diamond is eye clean. The BG is. I'm leaning toward sticking to the BG diamond but as always I'm open to input from more experienced folks.

Virtual diamond 1.84 carat H SI1
Light Return Very Good
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Very Good
Spread Very Good
1.9

Brian Gavin diamond 1.68 carat G SI2
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread Very Good
1.5

 

[RockyRacoon]

Ok they were not able to obtain pictures of the diamond in question so all I have to go by is the AGS certificate: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.840-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-60433803 .

It seems like a very nice diamond but when comparing the HCA (see below) to the BG diamond it seems like it will have a different look. I just don't know how visible of a difference that will be and if it's worth the hassle of getting it sent in from wherever or if I should just stick with the smaller but stunning BG diamond. The only reason for choosing the virtual diamond over the BG is the size difference. I'm not sure how noticeable that will be either. I also can't tell if the virtual diamond is eye clean. The BG is. I'm leaning toward sticking to the BG diamond but as always I'm open to input from more experienced folks.

When you say hassle of bringing the other stone in, do you mean that there will be an additional charge or that you don't want to bother the vendor, or you're on a tight timeline?

If there isn't an additional charge, I don't see the harm in calling the stone in for comparison.

 

[Chihuahua6]

When you say hassle of bringing the other stone in, do you mean that there will be an additional charge or that you don't want to bother the vendor, or you're on a tight timeline?

If there isn't an additional charge, I don't see the harm in calling the stone in for comparison.[/quote]

I am basically choosing the diamond for my own engagement ring and my bf and I are finishing up the details. I am assuming that if I decided to choose the virtual diamond it will add a couple of weeks to the process at least. If I go with the BG diamond my bf can send them the setting and have it finished. With the virtual diamond I would want to see it to inspect before mounting in the setting. If I like it a local jeweler will set. If I don't like it I will send back and get the other diamond. I'm not sure if they will hold the other diamond during this inspection period though.

 

[Chihuahua6]

I just read the policy regarding virtual diamonds and if the vendor represented the diamond accurately and I decide I don't like it, I would be responsible for the shipping charges back to the vendor.

 

[RockyRacoon]

I just read the policy regarding virtual diamonds and if the vendor represented the diamond accurately and I decide I don't like it, I would be responsible for the shipping charges back to the vendor.

In that case, I would personally stick with BG stone.

That way, you aren't shipping diamonds back and forth and dealing with insurance. I'm a big proponent of the one-stop-shop when it comes to stone+setting, so BG should have you set.

If you want to consider options other than BG, reserve the stone, and post the link, to see if anyone might be able to find a better fit at a different vendor.

 

[Chihuahua6]

Here is the stone: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.681-g-si2-round-diamond-ags-104074500020

I did post it once before. I believe it was you who told me to be sure it was eye clean and explained that different people have different standards of what they consider eye clean. I called them and was assured it was clean beyond the standard 10-12", more like 2-4". I can't focus closer than 12" anyway ; ) I was also told the color is a nice G, not a borderline G/H.

Here is the original post I put up about the diamond:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/lurker-here-thanks-for-helping-me-find-my-future-e-ring.210612/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/lurker-here-thanks-for-helping-me-find-my-future-e-ring.210612/[/URL]

Edited to add that the only thing I would like more of is slightly bigger size. I find 1.5 carat to be too small and 2 carat to be too big. I once tried on a 1.78 60/60 diamond ring and loved the size. The diamond was a little dark the way it was cut I guess so I'm hoping the ideal cut 1.68 will look just as big.
My budget is under $16,000.

 

[RockyRacoon]

Here is the stone: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.681-g-si2-round-diamond-ags-104074500020

I did post it once before. I believe it was you who told me to be sure it was eye clean and explained that different people have different standards of what they consider eye clean. I called them and was assured it was clean beyond the standard 10-12", more like 2-4". I can't focus closer than 12" anyway ; ) I was also told the color is a nice G, not a borderline G/H.

Here is the original post I put up about the diamond:
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/lurker-here-thanks-for-helping-me-find-my-future-e-ring.210612/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/lurker-here-thanks-for-helping-me-find-my-future-e-ring.210612/[/URL]

Edited to add that the only thing I would like more of is slightly bigger size. I find 1.5 carat to be too small and 2 carat to be too big. I once tried on a 1.78 60/60 diamond ring and loved the size. The diamond was a little dark the way it was cut I guess so I'm hoping the ideal cut 1.68 will look just as big.
My budget is under $16,000.

That is a good price for the stone.

Although this stone does not have the 'eye-clean' symbol, it may be worth investigating, since your standards for eye-cleanliness (distance from stone) are less than the standard WF uses:

1.818ct, G, SI2
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3075987.htm

If that stone is eye-clean to you, you would get the size you're looking for, same color, with a top-notch cut, and still remain under budget. Worth giving Whiteflash a call to see!

 

[Chihuahua6]

Thanks Rocky. I already saw that diamond from Whiteflash a month or so ago when comparing to another non-eye clean diamond they had that I was about to buy (someone beat me to it) and inquired about it. Here is what I was told:

"Thanks for getting back to me. I took a look at this diamond, and I think the diamond we looked at before (the 1.685ct) was cleaner.

This diamond, the 1.818ct, has a light colored cloud in the center of the table. Because of its location, it reflects a bit, making it easier to see. It was easier to see under direct lighting, but I could also see it under diffuse lighting conditions (regular daylight, or office lighting). It was not offensive, and I don't think it’s something that would jump out at a casual observer, but it will be easier for you to find the inclusion in the 1.818ct than in the 1.685ct diamond.

The 1.818ct diamond was a really beautiful stone overall though. Very nice size, great performance, and very pretty in person."


Would you purchase something like this? I thought it might bother me.